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21 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

That one's useless. People not gonna tip you if you don't have the right animation sets and the possibility to customize it for AFK places. LAQ has nice heads too, but they are useless for AFK, sex or escort places... the animations required for it aren't there. 

It is the only head I know that reacts to the out of date facial expressions in furniture without helper HUDs. And let's face it, obviously the places you frequent cannot use any up to date furniture with bento facial expressions or the problem would not even arise...

You always insist on how important customisation is while obvioulsy resorting back to plain jane average choices...

I don't get it. Do you even read what you wrote before you hit that submit button and insult everyone around you?

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5 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

It is the only head I know that reacts to the out of date facial expressions in furniture without helper HUDs. And let's face it, obviously the places you frequent cannot use any up to date furniture with bento facial expressions or the problem would not even arise...

You always insist on how important customisation is while obvioulsy resorting back to plain jane average choices...

Because I know what I'm doing and tried plenty of things in the past 12 months lol

5 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

I don't get it

Finally you admit it, that you have no idea on how this business works, so maybe just step back and let the adults talk here. 

If you don't believe it, try it yourself. I got a couple of the LAQ heads for my alts when it was in sale, they just don't earn even 1/3 of what my main earns, the animations are everything. The tippers who tip you 200-500 L$ per session are the ones that let the L$ roll.

Like in MMOs, it's all about min-/maximizing your character for the best possible performance. Just nothing beats it. With the cheap stuff you listed above you can't reach 24-30k L$ per month while AFK on a single avatar. And my personal goal is to get 60k/Month on my main.

People just don't care if your avatar is 50 days old, all they care is that the model looks hot and sexy (or fulfills their fetish) and that makes them hard and pull out their wallets. 

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24 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

Like in MMOs, it's all about min-/maximizing your character for the best possible performance. Just nothing beats it. With the cheap stuff you listed above you can't reach 24-30k L$ per month while AFK on a single avatar. And my personal goal is to get 60k/Month on my main.

Leave it to SL residents to gamify prostitution :D

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33 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Leave it to SL residents to gamify prostitution :D

I know right?

Also, I'd love to hear actual guy's on this topic. Do you even care whether the avatar spent 5k or 10k Linden on their appearance? Do you go out of your way to check clothing that will come off anyway? Do you give two hoots about whether her shoes cost 300L instead of 100L?

Personally I'm thinking Lys is severely overestimating what guys are looking for when they want to get frisky, applying female thinking to the other gender. Not a good idea.

Guys who get their rocks off at these type of places literally get down and dirty with a lifeless doll. No personality, no nothing. I can't see them giving a damn about the amount of Linden that doll spent. She's nothing but a hole anyway.

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I don't know anything about the AFK sex market so I will take you word, Lys, about tip rates and all that.  However you have given me the chance to preach :)
If you are playing the market to find the best places, why not invest a little time in Market Place as well?

18 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

And there's no quality shop that offers heels for less than 200.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/136397

 

Strawberry Singh sells her shapes for L$99.  As with anything you can pay as much as you want but there is no need.  This is the standard price.

Finally ... I'll just say I disagree with your opinion on GA skins.  We could argue and give our reasons but we are not going to change each other's mind.  So I'll just say I feel GA skins are still a top end option even if the are "free."

Please don't feel like I am jumping on the bash train.  I honestly enjoyed reading your perspective on the AKF places; like I said, I know absolutely nothing about it.  However I do know a little about making sexy and classy avatars (if I may pat myself on the back).  I do agree it takes a little money to make a good looking avatar.  For 50 bucks and one afternoon of shopping anyone can have a drop dead babe ready made.  And that is what you will be competing with.  I know the market and have an experienced  fashion blogger as my partner so I think I could put something together that could compete with that for 30 bucks.

Anyway, we could nitpick about the best deal or how good is good enough but .. yeah, it i as easy as sin to drop 30 quid and be a goddess so that's the way most people will go.

 

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Ok I am just going to ask because 1.  I am curious  2. I don't have a Catwa head and 3.  I'll think of something.. How does an afk avatar manage to open their mouth for certain oral animations?   :$

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6 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

Ok I am just going to ask because 1.  I am curious  2. I don't have a Catwa head and 3.  I'll think of something.. How does an afk avatar manage to open their mouth for certain oral animations?   :$

shh don't call her bluff, she might run away and I ordered all the popcorn for nothing

You can rebuild the furniture for it, but that does not need a catwa head (any bento will do) and access to that furniture's scripts, nothing to do with the head of the avatar which will use it.

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1 minute ago, Fionalein said:

I ordered all the popcorn for nothing

That's what I meant, how do they eat popcorn when afk  *nods*  ?

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 I cannot possibly be the only one who sees a dream team, a match in heaven, the best-est couple ever since Adam and Eve ... just match the posts here with, for example, those ones.

Evenings lovingly spent in never-ending discussions... 

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1 hour ago, Syn Anatine said:

 

Also, I'd love to hear actual guy's on this topic. 

I think we’re in “two ***** and a hole” territory here. But still, I feel like they would still want the best looking sex doll available. Most guys don’t care about what they’re wearing or how they look, but they know a good looking female avi. It’s one of SL’s great ironies.

 

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4 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

I think we’re in “two ***** and a hole” territory here. But still, I feel like they would still want the best looking sex doll available. Most guys don’t care about what they’re wearing or how they look, but they know a good looking female avi. It’s one of SL’s great ironies.

 

I don't doubt that, what I am asking is though, to which extend do they care? Do they really give two hoots if the shoe's she's wearing cost 300L as opposed to only 100L? I'm sorry I just can't see a guy who frequents these places primed and ready to go take the time to check out her necklaces and go all "Oh gods, this necklace only cost 88L as part of an Event Sale, that can't be, I need her to wear one that's at least worth 250L or more. At least."

Now I just made myself giggle imagining this very scenario.

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On the ongoing topic, as far as I know guys care for tiddies/ass size, a bit less will care for a cute face but most of them will bang a hole on the wall if given the opportunity.

The "spend a lot" on your avatar is only worth if you work at a club actually doing something and not AFKing trying to milk those cents of dollar from horny guys.

I don't like AFK places but I don't think they are ruining anything to be honest. A guy who goes to an AFK place can't afford most escorts around. And the escorts that work hard make enough to cash out weekly. Talking about 100k L monthly at least.

I think AFK places were a blank space that  might have been needed for years and "recently" started to be filled. I been on the adult side of SL for long enough to know that at least 85% of the guys logging into SL only come here because it's their version of interactive porn. They come, bang and log.

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1 hour ago, Syn Anatine said:

I don't doubt that, what I am asking is though, to which extend do they care? Do they really give two hoots if the shoe's she's wearing cost 300L as opposed to only 100L? I'm sorry I just can't see a guy who frequents these places primed and ready to go take the time to check out her necklaces and go all "Oh gods, this necklace only cost 88L as part of an Event Sale, that can't be, I need her to wear one that's at least worth 250L or more. At least."

Now I just made myself giggle imagining this very scenario.

No but he will go "I just spent 1000L on my virtual pregancy donor HUD, let's look for a quick 50L romp compatible with that because I now cannot afford a higher prize escort anymore after buying all that stuff" =^.^=

For sure he will, we heard the expert talking. 

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1 hour ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

I think AFK places were a blank space that  might have been needed for years and "recently" started to be filled. I been on the adult side of SL for long enough to know that at least 85% of the guys logging into SL only come here because it's their version of interactive porn. They come, bang and log.

Sure they will get filled, but before long owners will learn the secret about those mysterious beings called "bots" and keep 100% of the tips.

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7 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Complete non-sense. Only stuff you get for that is 10 year old trash. You won't get anything in the order of Quality of let's say Pink Fuel skins. Maybe some cheap anime skins or anything that doesn't look realistic anyways. For an AFK sim you want something that looks realistic AND sexy, something that attracts the paying customers, not these desperate freeloaders. 

Um...

The Lumae skin I bought for 100L came out in December 2017.

I didn't realize it was 2027 already.

 

1800L mesh head that I am using RIGHT NOW:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/MAYREAL-bento-mesh-head-JANET/13881666

2000L mesh head that I used before it, that is 4.5 star rated with 53 reviews:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/MAYREAL-Bento-Mesh-Head-Nadia/11023066

Here is the SOURCE CODE to the open source RLV project:

https://github.com/OpenCollarTeam/OpenCollar/wiki/RLV

Everything else you replied with is just opinion on both sides of the topic.

Except your off the wall bento comment. Right now I'm sitting in another window configuring my BENTO copy of Belleza. I also have a bento copy of SalinA. And since again this topic is about AFK sex joint: Bento Solarian - since the highest traffic AFK sex joint in SL is a furry joint, Solarian and Kenemo (or however it is spelled) are on topic and both have Bento support in addons (and since both are copy/mod, that's easy to do. The bodies + addons can be had for under 1500L).

And here is my flickr with a whole huge stack of pics of me wearing lingerie, harnesses, and explicit wear, made for BELLEZA:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40847626@N06/

Ya'll might have to scroll for a bit though, I tend to go fully nude more often. But you can also look here:

https://www.flickr.com/groups/belleza/pool/

To see a lot more stuff. And do I really have to list the stacks and stacks of shops with Lingerie for Belleza?

/micdrop

 

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7 hours ago, Fionalein said:

It is the only head I know that reacts to the out of date facial expressions in furniture without helper HUDs. And let's face it, obviously the places you frequent cannot use any up to date furniture with bento facial expressions or the problem would not even arise...

True. WITHOUT HELPER HUDS (I started this reply having missed that part... but decided to keep the reply for anyone reading here who is looking for where to get one of those helper HUDS, since I had trouble originally finding one myself).

My Mayreal, and any other Bento head, works with one of these:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/BENTO-EXPRESSION-HUD-V13/11827184 - 200L

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/HD-bento-Facial-expression-HUD-BENTO-poseao/11027732

(I have the 200L one on and alt, and the pricey one on myself... but... the cheaper one is better and I need to get it for myself also. The 600L one has more features, but they are features that replicate the features built into Mayreal already).

The ability to make this work looks to be some simple LSL... So I have been meaning to make my own HUD as well. And pressure some head makers to include it in their head scripts...

 

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6 hours ago, janetosilio said:

Vanilla Bae makes scripted removable clothes for all of the major bodies.

I have some of that. My only problem is I want to set the default state as already partly stripped. :P

But in general it's some good stuff.

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7 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Like in MMOs, it's all about min-/maximizing your character for the best possible performance. Just nothing beats it. With the cheap stuff you listed above you can't reach 24-30k L$ per month while AFK on a single avatar. And my personal goal is to get 60k/Month on my main.

Nope...

It's about getting my avatar to look like I want to look... so I can enjoy watching her have fun.

They could remove the tip jars from these places and I'd still go there. I'm not there for the tips. I'm there to enjoy a 'sneaky thrill ride.'

 

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5 hours ago, Lillith Hapmouche said:

 I cannot possibly be the only one who sees a dream team, a match in heaven, the best-est couple ever since Adam and Eve ... just match the posts here with, for example, those ones.

Evenings lovingly spent in never-ending discussions... 

Twas my thought exactly early today

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6 hours ago, Syn Anatine said:

Also, I'd love to hear actual guy's on this topic. Do you even care whether the avatar spent 5k or 10k Linden on their appearance? Do you go out of your way to check clothing that will come off anyway? Do you give two hoots about whether her shoes cost 300L instead of 100L?

Of course they do care, why else would would the higher ranked AFK models earn magnitudes of more L$ then all the other? 

6 hours ago, Syn Anatine said:

Personally I'm thinking Lys is severely overestimating what guys are looking for when they want to get frisky, applying female thinking to the other gender. Not a good idea.

I can't tell you what's really going in their minds, I can only tell you the results. And if you hit the sweet spot, your tips go up by 3-4x. 

6 hours ago, Syn Anatine said:

Guys who get their rocks off at these type of places literally get down and dirty with a lifeless doll. No personality, no nothing. I can't see them giving a damn about the amount of Linden that doll spent. She's nothing but a hole anyway.

That doesn't matter, again. Sounds like you're just jealous. Fact is, people come there and people tip good. You're right in that 80% of the girls/models/dolls there don't get many tips at all, but the best one takes it all, like in the popular saying: "The winner takes it all". 

5 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

I don't know anything about the AFK sex market so I will take you word, Lys, about tip rates and all that.  However you have given me the chance to preach :)
If you are playing the market to find the best places, why not invest a little time in Market Place as well?

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/136397

Most of it to casual. The more specified "redlight-esque" fashion or "babygirl/suggarbaby" outfits are better for that kind of job, and they are usually priced bit higher. Say something along the line of

 WC030318DIRTYPRINCESS1.jpg

 

costs 250 L$ for example. However, in the end it doesn't mean much if you saved 100 L$ on one purchase. The basic costs to get a competitive doll still around 15k take or leave 1K 

 

5 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

Strawberry Singh sells her shapes for L$99.  As with anything you can pay as much as you want but there is no need.  This is the standard price.

This is in no way the standard price for shapes. Maybe for the hobbyists created ones, who have a marketplace to make a buck or two as a side business. 

The "professional" ones (often the same as the ones who sell heads, mesh bodies or skins) are around 500-ish:

Pink Fuel shapes for example, 

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/20845/search?utf8=✓&search[category_id]=&search[maturity_level]=GMA&search[keywords]=shape

And since we're at Pink Fuel, their skins:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/20845?utf8=✓&search[layout]=gallery&search[category_id]=&search[sort]=price_desc&search[per_page]=96&search[keywords]=skin&search[price_low]=&search[price_high]=&search[prim_count_low]=&search[prim_count_high]=&search[copy_permission]=0&search[modify_permission]=0&search[transfer_permission]=0

Basically starting with 1200 L$ for the head appliers and up to 6k for the fatpacks (whoever has the need or urge for that...)

5 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

Finally ... I'll just say I disagree with your opinion on GA skins.  We could argue and give our reasons but we are not going to change each other's mind.  So I'll just say I feel GA skins are still a top end option even if the are "free."

Main issue with them, they are pretty generic and a major part of the Maitreya users are still using them. So you see dozens of clones with the same tone or bad mix-match of head and body skins (when using GA ones on body and a different brand on head). Guys don't wanna see 1000 girls looking the same. For everyday usage with casual clothes covering most of your body that's fine.

In the sex business? no-go

 

5 hours ago, Cindy Evanier said:

Ok I am just going to ask because 1.  I am curious  2. I don't have a Catwa head and 3.  I'll think of something.. How does an afk avatar manage to open their mouth for certain oral animations?   :$

Catwa animatons can be unpacked and put into an object with a script which a external user can control, like every scripted object in world to make her mouth open, close, have her moan etc. Dunno about the other heads, but they don't have the animations. 

And animations from other Mesh Heads doesn't work well since they are specifically rigged for a specific bento head. And for what I know, LAQ or Lelutka doesn't have any real good animations to make the girl moan or open her mouth wide open or licks his... you know where that's going..

4 hours ago, janetosilio said:

I think we’re in “two ***** and a hole” territory here. But still, I feel like they would still want the best looking sex doll available. Most guys don’t care about what they’re wearing or how they look, but they know a good looking female avi. It’s one of SL’s great ironies.

You'll laugh, but some of the more decent tips (200, 400 or even 500 L$) come from guys with default SL avatars who don't have mesh body. You'd assume that they could get a Gianni body, skin and a bento head and go to some non-afk places and ***** any girl they meet there for free... 

And many of the ones who come with a Signature, Slink or Belezza (male) mesh bodies are the cheap freeloaders. 

4 hours ago, Syn Anatine said:

I don't doubt that, what I am asking is though, to which extend do they care? Do they really give two hoots if the shoe's she's wearing cost 300L as opposed to only 100L? I'm sorry I just can't see a guy who frequents these places primed and ready to go take the time to check out her necklaces and go all "Oh gods, this necklace only cost 88L as part of an Event Sale, that can't be, I need her to wear one that's at least worth 250L or more. At least."

It's not about how much one spends, its about how it looks. It's just that specific kind of fashion just costs more (see examples above). It's as in real life, sex sells.

 

3 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

On the ongoing topic, as far as I know guys care for tiddies/ass size, a bit less will care for a cute face but most of them will bang a hole on the wall if given the opportunity.

Not only. When you wear sexy things or frequently have different (but sexy/erotic) outfits, you get significantly (in the order of magnitude of 2-3 times) more tips. The necessary sex addons increase that even further. If you're happy with 400-500 L$ per week and maybe on a good week 1000 L$, then go on, put a naked avatar with a decent shape/mesh body/bento head. If you want 4k+ per week you need to do more. A LOT MORE. 

3 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

The "spend a lot" on your avatar is only worth if you work at a club actually doing something and not AFKing trying to milk those cents of dollar from horny guys.

Just plain wrong. And if 4000-6000 L$ per week for one top outfitted avatar is cents from you, then fine. In case your math skills are bit rusty, that's 65 to 100$ per month.

3 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

I don't like AFK places but I don't think they are ruining anything to be honest. A guy who goes to an AFK place can't afford most escorts around. And the escorts that work hard make enough to cash out weekly. Talking about 100k L monthly at least.

24-30k L$ / month for not doing anything than adjusting your avatar sounds well to me. Add two alts and you're at 100k too lol

3 hours ago, Sylvannas Zulaman said:

I think AFK places were a blank space that  might have been needed for years and "recently" started to be filled. I been on the adult side of SL for long enough to know that at least 85% of the guys logging into SL only come here because it's their version of interactive porn. They come, bang and log.

That's why it works. It's same as the Fremium games model. 95% of the people never pay. 3-4% maybe do a one-time purchase of 10 to 20$. The remaining 1 to 2% cash in multiple 100$ per month and finance the whole system. Or in the internally used slang: "whales" (comes from real world Gambling Casinos, where the high-rollers are called "whales" who bring in the most money and let the money roll).

 

26 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Here is the SOURCE CODE to the open source RLV project:

https://github.com/OpenCollarTeam/OpenCollar/wiki/RLV

You should refresh your English skills girl, and learn to read my posts. You said RLV is open source, which is wrong. RLV is the underlying system which accepts the commands. What you link and said is OpenCollar, which is NOT RLV. it's a Script that USES the RLV API of Viewers that support it. 

Big different. Remember: Reading Comprehension. 

26 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Except your off the wall bento comment. Right now I'm sitting in another window configuring my BENTO copy of Belleza. I also have a bento copy of SalinA. And since again this topic is about AFK sex joint: Bento Solarian - since the highest traffic AFK sex joint in SL is a furry joint, Solarian and Kenemo (or however it is spelled) are on topic and both have Bento support in addons (and since both are copy/mod, that's easy to do. The bodies + addons can be had for under 1500L).

Cool for you, but you won't get that far with Anime heads and furry mesh bodies in the human sims, not to speak that they are banned from most anyways. 

26 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

To see a lot more stuff. And do I really have to list the stacks and stacks of shops with Lingerie for Belleza?

Yes please, something in the quantity, diversity and quality of erratic or Leylas scripted undress-clothes please. I'm waiting.

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1 minute ago, Lys1990 said:

That doesn't matter, again. Sounds like you're just jealous.

Wait, I am confused. What am I supposed to be jealous of? Or is this the generic "You don't agree with me so you must be jealous." type of response? O.o

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1 hour ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

It's about getting my avatar to look like I want to look... so I can enjoy watching her have fun.

Good for you. Others just try to game out the system to get the most of it. Like I said, in MMOs not everyone sits in front of the Auction House and trade with stuff. Most don't even bother. But there are ones who do it mainly. Not just for the (real) money, just cause they can and they want to get the last out of it. 

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6 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

Good for you. Others just try to game out the system to get the most of it. Like I said, in MMOs not everyone sits in front of the Auction House and trade with stuff. Most don't even bother. But there are ones who do it mainly. Not just for the (real) money, just cause they can and they want to get the last out of it. 

...wait that's OK, but Gachas should be banned? See your own post below:

So it is OK for you to game one system but others should be not allowed to game on another? Because you say so?

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I am still confused about what I am supposed to be jealous of. Can you please answer me?

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