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On 3/21/2018 at 7:23 AM, Callum Meriman said:

Actually I had a difficult one the other day. Was a neko with human skin coloured sheathed bits. Which of course look very much like an erection.

This is what gets me on furries actually.

I don't mind sex with the cartoon animals... it's those horrible genitals the males use that freak me out to no end... I see one of those weird sheathed things... and I tend to look for my TP button. But if a furry has something less 'particular' going on... I'm fine with the scene playing out.

I don't mind the wolf head, cat head, zebra head, tail, paws, etc... but that weird genital thing they like wearing... that's too much for me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I don't mind sex with the cartoon animals... it's those horrible *****es the males use that freak me out to no end... I one of those weird sheathed things... and I tend to look for my TP button. But is a furry has something less 'particular' going on... I'm fine with the scene playing out.

The way I look at it is this. It’s ok for the “bits” to match the form. Anthro form, Anthro bits. Feral form, Feral bits. I only think it’s weird for Anthros to use feral bits.

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3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

The way I look at it is this. It’s ok for the “bits” to match the form. Anthro form, Anthro bits. Feral form, Feral bits. I only think it’s weird for Anthros to use feral bits.

Them: "Does the carpet match the drapes?"

You: "Does the flange match the body?"

Weird times we live in, huh.

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So here's a new one for me...

My alt is in one of these venues. Came online this morning and saw that I've been getting Bloodlines vampire bite notices now...

Something along the lines of:

Thirst Nexus [Bloodlines] 4.3
so-and-so resident would like to point out how gullible they are for playing this scam, and wants you to be equally foolish. Say [yes] if you're into being taken for a fool.

- kinda paraphrased it there. :P

 

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On 3/6/2018 at 9:17 PM, Misayame said:

There are several factors but let me tell you about ONE kind of factor in particular that is literally destroying the concept of meeting point: AFK Hangouts. What are they? Simple. They are places , mostly adult themed, in which one goes there mostly for sexual interactions with other people who are AFK, they just "park" their avatars there and do absolutely nothing. Yet such places have the highest traffic in many cathegories.

This not only goes against what SL is meant to be, but it also discourages new people to join the community for seeing such places are taking over the grid. What is the meaning of allowing such places hide in the shadow those who tries their best to keep the community alive and social? Dont you realize this is also why SL is slowly being abandoned? I, with my little place, stand against these places welcoming every guest with a smile, talking to them, playing with them, and there are many other little realities out there who does the same.

Please LL, help us making the grid a better place for all of us who sees SL as what it was first created for. Help us getting rid of something as nonsense as AFK hangouts.

Maybe try by removing the words "afk" "sex" "porn", "*****" from your places description, then you won't have to compete with these sims on these terms rofl. 

If its an pub, don't use terms used by the virtual porn and prostitution places. 

On 3/7/2018 at 1:19 AM, Alyona Su said:

OH! And @OP regarding the AFK Sex camps? The reason they are so popular is that most who camp there are praying then necrophilia-lovers actually tip brain-dead sex partners, so they camp there looking like... well, brain-dead wannabe sex partners (which some of that is eeew). I mean, I can only imagine having sex with an AFK camper would be like necrophilia, right? Bahahahaha!

Sounds like you're jealous cause they earn L$ and you don't? Only the best looking girls receive tips and to get in there, you need invest at least 10 to 20k L$ (40 to 80$). 

2750 L$ for mesh body

5000 L$ for mesh head

1000-2000 L$ for skin

500-1000 L$ for several makeups, nail colors or mesh nails

500 L$ for shape

3000-5000 L$ for erotic extras (It's not mine set w/ glasses, mesh nipples, mesh genitals, spank addons, Mama Alpa, some hud to change dresses)

300-500 L$ for hair

1000-4000 L$ for erotic clothes (like scripted "undress" me lingerie from Layla's at prices of 600 to 1000 L$ for a single color)

300-500 L$ for at least a pair of nice looking heels

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12 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Sounds like you're jealous cause they earn L$ and you don't? Only the best looking girls receive tips and to get in there, you need invest at least 10 to 20k L$ (40 to 80$). 

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Another example of people injecting their own definition of meaning into what other people say when they didn't say it.

Jealous? Hardly. If I were so vain I'd put myself up against any crowd. That you took my comment so so seriously rather than just funnin' speaks volumes about how too seriously people take anything SL. ~snorts~

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12 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

500 L$ for shape

*lol* Sure. For some crippled T-rex armed, pudding face pony rider looking like soldier #24601 of a clone army... thanks, but no, thanks.

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12 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

3000-5000 L$ for erotic extras (It's not mine set w/ glasses, mesh nipples, mesh genitals, spank addons, Mama Alpa, some hud to change dresses)

Mama Alpa won't help you earn more, you know you cannot sue the father of your prim babies, right?

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19 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

you make it sound like (not so)AFK-ing is somthing other than fishing for lindens  =^.^=

Of course its for L$, but its not like it's free source of income like some of the newbs here stated it. It requires a high upfront investment to be competitive for the tips these days where the minimum money spent is 10k L$ to even have a decent chance of getting more than 50 L$ per week. 

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4 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

Of course its for L$, but its not like it's free source of income like some of the newbs here stated it. It requires a high upfront investment to be competitive for the tips these days where the minimum money spent is 10k L$ to even have a decent chance of getting more than 50 L$ per week. 

*does a quick calculation* .... hmm 10kL divided by 50L a week...

OK I stay with dividing my time between fishing and deal hunting, sounds like a better ROI to me =^.^=

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4 hours ago, Fionalein said:

*does a quick calculation* .... hmm 10kL divided by 50L a week...

OK I stay with dividing my time between fishing and deal hunting, sounds like a better ROI to me =^.^=

The L$ would be better spent on an English dictionary though, since you obviously didn't understand my post.

A top equipped avatar with the above stuff can make more than it. The 50 L$ per week is for these mesh freebie avatars or classic SL avatars, w/o bento heads or bento body and w/o all the sex addons above. 

 

A good equipped avatar in the right AFK sim makes 4 to 6k a week. More if you fit into special niches and fetishes (all legal of course), which I won't list here for obvious reasons.

Point is: Without a gorgeous avatar, your chances to get L$ from AFK sims are next to zero and won't even cover the costs of your computer running overnight (which costs anywhere between 75 and 175 L$ per day, depending on where you live and how much your rig draws) .

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This all sounds like a new spin on being a “dancer” in SL. Yeah, you could make L$ doing it, but the majority of people won’t or can’t make that much. Because so much depends on so many variables.

I expect we’ll probably see more of these places pop up before all is said and done.

My question is, how many people on average actually tip you?

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35 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

I expect we’ll probably see more of these places pop up before all is said and done.

My question is, how many people on average actually tip you?

Number of people or the amount of tip?

Number of people is hard to say when you're afk and highly depends on the sim you are in. Some sims have high traffic, but bad traffic with much freeloaders. Its about finding the sweet spot. But my guess would be 20 to 25% of the ones that jump on the furniture. 

Height of the tip? Well 100 or 200 L$ are normal, sometimes just 50 L$. Some come regularly, other not. But there are even tips that go as far up as 500, 750 L$ that come off regularly (multiple times a week). 1000 L$+ is rare though, but not uncommon when RPing back. 

 

it's less for the money, its more of a meta game lol. Like other people in MMOs become auctioneers and spend 70% of their time buying and selling stuff to the action house, so I do in AFK sim. Adjusting, tweaking, finding the right spot, the fetishes that pay most 

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On 3/23/2018 at 1:10 PM, Pussycat Catnap said:

This is what gets me on furries actually.

I don't mind sex with the cartoon animals... it's those horrible genitals the males use that freak me out to no end... I see one of those weird sheathed things... and I tend to look for my TP button. But if a furry has something less 'particular' going on... I'm fine with the scene playing out.

I don't mind the wolf head, cat head, zebra head, tail, paws, etc... but that weird genital thing they like wearing... that's too much for me.

This is definitely off topic from OP but related to this, i think thats almost either a necessity or at least a defining factor of someone with a "fully furry" avatar. Some dude aint gonna walk around full wolf if he doesnt have the bits to match. It seems out of place to have everything else animalistic and then have your average humanoid wangus™ thrown into the mix.

Furries in general are pretty weird people so youre gonna see a variety of avatar customization ranging from human bits on canines to canine bits on humans and everything else. Ive seen both varieties of part cat part horse and both are definitely a bit out there

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As for OP's argument, people have talked about this before. These AFK sex places arent really that popular, theres still an incredibly large amount of social places on SL. The game isnt big anymore because no social avatar game is big anymore, after social media really took hold the majority of social games took a hit. Right now the game Smallworlds is actually closing, they went from 15k online at peak hours to about 500 within a few years, and since they started later than most other games (2008), they didnt have the player base to really hold through it.

Even games like Habbo Hotel, IMVU, etc have all had this issue and have lost a lot of players. SL doesnt seem as populous anymore because it just isnt, there arent as many players as there used to be. But these AFK spots have nothing to do with that, lots of people are still very active.

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23 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Sounds like you're jealous cause they earn L$ and you don't? Only the best looking girls receive tips and to get in there, you need invest at least 10 to 20k L$ (40 to 80$).

2750 L$ for mesh body

5000 L$ for mesh head

1000-2000 L$ for skin

500-1000 L$ for several makeups, nail colors or mesh nails

500 L$ for shape

3000-5000 L$ for erotic extras (It's not mine set w/ glasses, mesh nipples, mesh genitals, spank addons, Mama Alpa, some hud to change dresses)

300-500 L$ for hair

1000-4000 L$ for erotic clothes (like scripted "undress" me lingerie from Layla's at prices of 600 to 1000 L$ for a single color)

300-500 L$ for at least a pair of nice looking heels

Somebody needs to teach you how to shop... Seriously...

2750 for a Maitreya, fair enough, but assuming ALL benro mesh heads cost 5k shows a lack of knowledge, there are cheaper and better options than a Duckwa/LeTroutka clone head where you pay 500 for the head and 4500 for the canterlevered lip extension.

1000-2000 for skin... Girl, you need to find better skin makers, really.

The best shapes in SL, are the ones where people learn to make their own shapes, based on the proportions of real live people. most commercial shapes are not worth 5 ls let alone 500.

As for undressing, you can use unscripted clothing, and a free rlv collar, it works just as well, if not better, but does require an IQ LARGER than your digital bra size to set up...

As for the shoes... You seriously need to find better shoemakers.

Just an FYI but some over rated under talented ego-whore putting thew words "Exclusive Designer" in front of a product name and raising prices 500 ls, doesn't bean you are buying better quality, it really doesn't



 

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41 minutes ago, Klytyna said:

1000-2000 for skin... Girl, you need to find better skin makers, really.

The best shapes in SL, are the ones where people learn to make their own shapes, based on the proportions of real live people. most commercial shapes are not worth 5 ls let alone 500.

As for undressing, you can use unscripted clothing, and a free rlv collar, it works just as well, if not better, but does require an IQ LARGER than your digital bra size to set up...

As for the shoes... You seriously need to find better shoemakers.

Just an FYI but some over rated under talented ego-whore putting thew words "Exclusive Designer" in front of a product name and raising prices 500 ls, doesn't bean you are buying better quality, it really doesn't

You are not going to get a quality skin for less than 1000 L$. You just get some stuff for less than 1k/skin.  No one wants an AFK doll with the standard Glam Affair shapes loaded into the Maitreya bodies

RLV collar doesn't work out for most stuff, to unflexible, doesn't allow easy switching of bodies (when you have multiple skins/bodies). Plus it allows competitors to unsit you and move you away or even TP you to another sim, when they get jealous of your tips.

Special huds on the other side just reduce the RLV funcitonality to easy to use undressing and outfit changing. Also the newbs (or competitors again) can use your collar to leave your avatar in a broken shape (body, head, hair, essential parts detached). 

And there's no quality shop that offers heels for less than 200. Most of them are in the range of 250 to 350 and you'd want at least two pairs (same as clothes, just leaving your avatar in the same outfits just doesn't pay as people thing you are just there for farming L$). 

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38 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

You are not going to get a quality skin for less than 1000 L$. You just get some stuff for less than 1k/skin.  No one wants an AFK doll with the standard Glam Affair shapes loaded into the Maitreya bodies

Wearing them all the time. I constantly get asked where I bought my skin :D. See girl, when everyone dumps the "free" GA skin just because some uber-meshista tells them so, GA skins become the new "rare", that is your highly sought after niche market.

* goes through her skin folder* Hm I see some top designer skins in there which I never use, didn't even cost me a virtual penny... 

44 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

And there's no quality shop that offers heels for less than 200. Most of them are in the range of 250 to 350 and you'd want at least two pairs (same as clothes, just leaving your avatar in the same outfits just doesn't pay as people thing you are just there for farming L$). 

oh no same for heels, ... i might have spent 100L on heels so far and have hundreds.

...but of course since I do not name designers in public you will claim my stuff will never hold up to your "high class designers"

1 hour ago, Klytyna said:

Somebody needs to teach you how to shop... Seriously...

a) maybe, but not me

b) why? She claims to earn enough to pay for being stubborn, and the cashout tax keeps the servers running, right?

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5 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

...but of course since I do not name designers in public you will claim my stuff will never hold up to your "high class designers"

Back in 2013, I was looking for a pair of those 'new fangled' mesh thigh boots, and had found a pair I liked the look of, but, cautious shopper that I am, was willing to allow somebody who described herself as "my friend" to take me to HER preferred store to look at alternatives.

She was one of those "more L$ than braincells" Fashionista Fascists, and the store was "******* Designer Italian Fashion" (not sure what was supposed to be italian about it or designer for that matter).

There I saw a pair of fairly ugly looking boots, with 5th rate textures, each of the three colours, Crap with a hint of red, crap with a hint of white and crap with a hint of brown, came in a pack of 3 sizes, xxs, chickenleg and italian breadstick.

Each single colour 3 size pack cost... L$ 1250

So I took her to the store I had already found, where the attractive looking boots came in 7 vibrant colours, with some of the best textures in SL (at that time), each of the colour packs containing 7 sizes from xxs to East German Olympic Lady Shot Putter, and each single color 7 size pack cost... L$250

The pretentious fashion moron bought all 7 colours and thanked me for showing her a 'top designer'!

Go figure...
 

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3 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

You are not going to get a quality skin for less than 1000 L$. You just get some stuff for less than 1k/skin.  No one wants an AFK doll with the standard Glam Affair shapes loaded into the Maitreya bodies

RLV collar doesn't work out for most stuff, to unflexible, doesn't allow easy switching of bodies (when you have multiple skins/bodies). Plus it allows competitors to unsit you and move you away or even TP you to another sim, when they get jealous of your tips.

And there's no quality shop that offers heels for less than 200. Most of them are in the range of 250 to 350 and you'd want at least two pairs (same as clothes, just leaving your avatar in the same outfits just doesn't pay as people thing you are just there for farming L$). 

 

There's a LOT of really good stuff for under $1000L in the skin department. I recently bought a stack of non-human skin tones for Orcs and fantasy looks for $100L each, from Lumae - who also sells some good 'human' skins if you're looking for a Colonizer skin tone.

Mayreal mesh heads are ALL under $2000L, and there are other brands as well - that just happens to be the brand I went for.

RLV is open source. If it isn't working, get a full perms one and fix it. I've actually started wearing RLV recently (makes it easier in the AFK places). Got everything I needed for the extremely expensive price of 0L. Z-E-R-O.

RLV if great for these AFK places. All you need is the ability for some John to move your avatar to a different piece of furniture...

Lots of shoes and heels for various prices. One might need to get out more. Then again I'm not big here, I'm usually barefoot in SL. But even I have a nice collection of stuff that didn't cost much.

 

Maitreya is an ugly body nude anyways... The sides of the breats look funky, and the avatar physics are poor - and since you're getting screwed by all comers in an AFK joint, these two issues are IMPORTANT.

Belleza is perfect on both scrores, but Belleza IS more expensive... so if that was all I had to offer up to counter you you'd win this argument...

SO...

For under 1000L you could get a Lena Lush or Lena Perky, which is mod... strip off the uneeded layers, and go to town. Since we're all having the drama fest in an AFK-club thread - you're gonna be naked anyway. So that's actually a top quality body to use there. The breasts of Lena's two bodies respond very well to the shape dials and avatar physics. Use Lush if you want boobs bigger than the Titanic, and use Perky if you're going for normal.

 

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2 hours ago, Fionalein said:

b) why? She claims to earn enough to pay for being stubborn, and the cashout tax keeps the servers running, right?

Go ahead. If you're promoting a brand... it only does us all good to find a good and low price place to go.

You don't have to 'slam overpriced brand X' (which I will do, but you don't have to)... to slam them... just name brand Y that does it ALL better for less.

That's why I keep mentioning Mayreal over and over again.

Did I mention Mayreal yet? Somebody go check their mesh heads out. Good mesh nipples too - which is important given the topic of this thread.

There was/is a thread in one of the other forums about a 99L bento mesh head too... if if fits your ethnicity of choice, that one sounded like a really good deal.

Everyone is helped when we PROMOTE good brands.

 

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9 hours ago, cykarushb said:

This is definitely off topic from OP but related to this, i think thats almost either a necessity or at least a defining factor of someone with a "fully furry" avatar. Some dude aint gonna walk around full wolf if he doesnt have the bits to match. It seems out of place to have everything else animalistic and then have your average humanoid wangus™ thrown into the mix.

Sometimes realism is NOT what I want... A furry isn't realistic anyway... Insisting on going into uncanny valley territory with the male attachment is the LAST thing I want... I can handle some furry bouncing on my avatar... but when I look over it makes me think of *****... that's my freakout moment.

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9 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

You don't have to 'slam overpriced brand X' (which I will do, but you don't have to)... 

What is overpriced and what not is difficult to decide. I actually sometimes buy pretty expensive stuff when I deem the creator worthy of my lindens (that can be weird criteria like having the outfit fit niche market mesh bodies too which I do not even own but I honour their effort to keep us diverse)

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10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

There's a LOT of really good stuff for under $1000L in the skin department. I recently bought a stack of non-human skin tones for Orcs and fantasy looks for $100L each, from Lumae - who also sells some good 'human' skins if you're looking for a Colonizer skin tone.

Complete non-sense. Only stuff you get for that is 10 year old trash. You won't get anything in the order of Quality of let's say Pink Fuel skins. Maybe some cheap anime skins or anything that doesn't look realistic anyways. For an AFK sim you want something that looks realistic AND sexy, something that attracts the paying customers, not these desperate freeloaders. 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Mayreal mesh heads are ALL under $2000L, and there are other brands as well - that just happens to be the brand I went for.

Last time I looked they were 2700-ish and they are far from good. Catwa costs more and is more common, but there are plenty of shapes for it which you can further customize, have plenty of animations which can be be purchased and customized (i.e. put into special item you buy so your visitors can control your facial animation while you are AFK, to lets say make you moan or open your mouth when they stick their dicks in).

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

RLV is open source. If it isn't working, get a full perms one and fix it. I've actually started wearing RLV recently (makes it easier in the AFK places). Got everything I needed for the extremely expensive price of 0L. Z-E-R-O.

RLV isn't open and you can't "wear" RLV, its part of your Viewer fyi. You obviously mean Open Collar, which was designed for a different thing, but can also be abused to break your avatar, makes it hard to switch appearances (due to locks in place) and of course allows other AFK girls or their alts to TP you out. 

There are special HUDs for AFK girls, that will only enable the part of RLV which is desired and abstract the rest.

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Lots of shoes and heels for various prices. One might need to get out more. Then again I'm not big here, I'm usually barefoot in SL. But even I have a nice collection of stuff that didn't cost much.

Still, 250-500 L$ is the minimum you spend on 1 respective 2 pairs of heels that are quality stuff, including material and fits into the erotic theme. 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Maitreya is an ugly body nude anyways... The sides of the breats look funky, and the avatar physics are poor - and since you're getting screwed by all comers in an AFK joint, these two issues are IMPORTANT.

Well, two things here: 
Maitreya is pretty decent body and works quite well with little adjustments with normal SL shapes. 

Maitreya sucks if you want a petite avatar, with smaller cup size (less than about C-cup). What also sucks is the broken Auto-alpha system, used by cheap and less than competent fashion creators. 

However the reason which clearly speaks for Maitreya is, that they have the fashion monopoly. You will find almost no fashion designers that create sexy lingerie with much "visible skin" and layered lingerie just plain sucks. 

It basically boils down to: 

a) Mesh/Bento Lingerie is essentially Maitreya exclusive. Like it or not, its a fact and for going AFK and making the most of it, there's no way around it. Completely naked afk models just don't make nearly as close the money as the one in sexy lingerie do. I'd wish for more diversity and support for all mesh bodies, but its sadly not the case. 
b) All of the scripted clothes (Laylas, I<3F & others) are Maitreya only. While complete strip off can be done otherwise (and more complicated to non RLV users), these are not as good as the named ones above as they do not just allwo to remove the clothes completely but also just "push it off" only revealing a part of the clothes. On top of a major part of the tipping customers are not familiar with RLV and wouldn't know how to undress you and leave for another already undressed girl, making you lose money on tips
c) The remaining fashion (Heels, clothes, dresses etc) they all support Maitreya. Most of the events with highly reduced prices/free stuff (such as MMM) are Maitreya only basically. 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Belleza is perfect on both scrores, but Belleza IS more expensive... so if that was all I had to offer up to counter you you'd win this argument...

See above. I love Tonic Fine for my casual body, but to make serious L$ AFK there's no way around Maitreya and it's fashion eco-system. 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

For under 1000L you could get a Lena Lush or Lena Perky, which is mod... strip off the uneeded layers, and go to town. Since we're all having the drama fest in an AFK-club thread - you're gonna be naked anyway. So that's actually a top quality body to use there. The breasts of Lena's two bodies respond very well to the shape dials and avatar physics. Use Lush if you want boobs bigger than the Titanic, and use Perky if you're going for normal.

Useless, no fashion for it. A nude avatar won't make you much in tips, even if its Maitreya/Catwa head. You need the sex addons and sexy fashion to lure the most tipping and recurring customers. 

 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

That's why I keep mentioning Mayreal over and over again.

See above. Just getting stuff cheap doesn't mean make more L$. It just means you use L$ into accessories that won't increase your revenue. 

10 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

There was/is a thread in one of the other forums about a 99L bento mesh head too... if if fits your ethnicity of choice, that one sounded like a really good deal.

That one's useless. People not gonna tip you if you don't have the right animation sets and the possibility to customize it for AFK places. LAQ has nice heads too, but they are useless for AFK, sex or escort places... the animations required for it aren't there. 

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