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19 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
37 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If Sansar had said "Here you go, here's Sansar, we're done!".......then yes, the lack of features would be flaws.
But, they have repeatedly said this is Creator Beta...that means they are in the process of developing it...and so they haven't gotten to all those features yet.
It's like when I create a whole sim for someone, or a big skybox....I stand in the beginning and look out at it in its barely begun state...but would I say it has 'flaws' when not much has been created yet? No, I'd say it has manifestations yet to come..lol.
'Flaws' is so negative...so judgemental...it implies someone has done something wrong...but how can you be wrong when something is just not developed fully yet...when it's in process?

* Features are being discussed in other places, like the meetings and on an additional forum.

But in SL, you could see the potential and ACTUALIZE that because SL has....features!!!

I don't understand, because months ago I could build an entire scene larger than the sims we have in SL, and for free! Well, actually someone entering today can have 3 of those. And I could walk around in my avatar, and talk to people in various Experiences.
And lots of content is for sale or free on the Sansar MP if you don't like to create mesh.
But if you're talking about the programming/scripting....they are working on it. I have no way to judge what *should* have been there when Sansar opened up Creator Beta.

* But thinking further...I bet you mean you can't do as much as you'd like with your avatar?

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22 hours ago, animats said:

This is SL, not Sansar. It's a new build just opened at Serena Seacrest, from the people behind Lost Eden.

The main edge Sansar has is professional artists.

The main edge Sansar has at this point in time is that you could have 3 Serena Seacrest sims (with even a larger land size for each one) for FREE instead of paying 900 usd a month.

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37 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

The main edge Sansar has at this point in time is that you could have 3 Serena Seacrest sims (with even a larger land size for each one) for FREE instead of paying 900 usd a month.

Yes, if you want empty sims all to yourself, it's the best way to go. ;)

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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Outdoors at noon, or at late afternoon?

Either would do although as I mentioned earlier, noon is the real challenge.

Typical RL sky at noon:

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Typical RL skies in the afternoon:

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

The thing is, VR is so intense and amazing and lends such extreme reality to a virtual presence that this easily could supercede photorealism.

VR is seductive indeed. But we are discussing Sansar specifically.

The big name in VR right now is VRChat, not Sansar.

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3 minutes ago, ChinRey said:

VR is seductive indeed. But we are discussing Sansar specifically.

The big name in VR right now is VRChat, not Sansar.

It is, but already Sansar has far better avatars, and I think this is where it will excel and stand apart from the 'cartoon-head' VR chats.

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44 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:
1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

The main edge Sansar has at this point in time is that you could have 3 Serena Seacrest sims (with even a larger land size for each one) for FREE instead of paying 900 usd a month.

Yes, if you want empty sims all to yourself, it's the best way to go. ;)

Well, make a few alts and talk to yourself while building..it can be quite entertaining...;0

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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

The main edge Sansar has at this point in time is that you could have 3 Serena Seacrest sims (with even a larger land size for each one) for FREE instead of paying 900 usd a month.

Yes and that is why I'm taking a break from this thread for a week or two. Sansar's next big "moment of truth" is only days away, what will happen on February 1st? Will LL extend the free period again to keep people there? And if they don't, how many expriences will close down when the owners will have to start paying for it? Let's wait and see.

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3 minutes ago, ChinRey said:
1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

The main edge Sansar has at this point in time is that you could have 3 Serena Seacrest sims (with even a larger land size for each one) for FREE instead of paying 900 usd a month.

Yes and that is why I'm taking a break from this thread for a week or two. Sansar's next big "moment of truth" is only days away, what will happen on February 1st? Will LL extend the free period again to keep people there? And if they don't, how many expriences will close down when the owners will have to start paying for it? Let's wait and see.

I know they extended the 5 Experiences period for those who got in earlier, but have not heard talk of limiting the 3 Experiences option everyone has now. Makes sense they would eventually charge though...but so few are there at this point they best not start charging anytime soon..

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6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

It is, but already Sansar has far better avatars, and I think this is where it will excel and stand apart from the 'cartoon-head' VR chats.

And it is exactly the mindset behind statements like this in all its disillusioned glory why VRChat is kicking Sansar's butt in terms of popularity.

Alternatively you can swap "disillusioned" with "naivety" as well.

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I spend a lot of time in Sansar as Debi Baskerville. Sansar has a very nice set of experience tools that allows the owner to create a mood for their experience. When you get that experience it's basically a blank canvas, so you as the creator make the choice of what kind of shadows you will have, what image is used to create your sky, and the intensity of your lighting. There are very few professionals building in Sansar, the majority, not all, are creators like me from SL. 

The biggest advantage for me as a creator in Sansar over SL is the use of PBR texturing. It's a much superior method for creating rich realistic textures that respond to lighting rather than having to bake shadows onto your objects as we do in SL. Another advantage is how we can adjust our clothing made with Marvelous Designer while getting dressed. I can push my sleeves up or layer a blouse over pants without having glitching issues. Yes, none of us like how our avatars all look alike, but that will change. 

When the free Creator Beta subscription runs out everyone will still have their three free experiences and just last week the 50 item limit for selling in the store was lifted on free accounts. 

Rather than just bashing Sansar, perhaps you could visit one of our daily community meetups and spend some time with us. It's easy to find events going on in Sansar, they are listed in the Atlas.

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13 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

and just last week the 50 item limit for selling in the store was lifted on free accounts. 

They lost quite a few people with that $10 monthly fee to list more than 50 items, and I think they lost the trust as well. They lost my trust when this fee was introduced after I listed 150 items. All I could think of was the six months of work that I put into it. I knew I probably wouldn't make that $10 back to cover the fee, with sales being so low.

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I 'get it' but there are better ways to monetise stuff *shrug* and yes auto correct it is Engerlish spell. Sketchfab also launched market. In SL it stays and always will but external why not.

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14 hours ago, Rya Nitely said:
On 1/19/2018 at 7:13 AM, Blush Bravin said:

and just last week the 50 item limit for selling in the store was lifted on free accounts. 

They lost quite a few people with that $10 monthly fee to list more than 50 items, and I think they lost the trust as well. They lost my trust when this fee was introduced after I listed 150 items. All I could think of was the six months of work that I put into it. I knew I probably wouldn't make that $10 back to cover the fee, with sales being so low.

I know how much effort you put into creating your content, and this makes me feel very disturbed.

Some time back an interview was given by one of our overlords stating that, with SL, they had a difficult time determining focus on creators vs consumers, and now at Sansar they would be focusing on Creators.
What we have to decide is...do they mean just 'creators' or do they mean 'creators that deserve an income'? And what can we do to fight against situations that are unfair?

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Thanks Luna, I got hardly any support  in Sansar Discord  on this. The arguments from others were that it's not all about making money. These people were mainly there for fun and hobby, and being part of something new, and getting in early, gaining experience, etc. They didn't realise or acknowledge that without making money the whole thing will tank, and that is the main reason Sansar will fail. I'm sure that Ebbe knows this. It should be aimed more at the people who want to and are putting in the effort to make money, but I didn't feel it was. The reason SL is a success is because people make money, and this drives incentive to do better.

But instead many people, like myself, just stopped working in Sansar when they announced that fee.

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13 hours ago, Rya Nitely said:

Thanks Luna, I got hardly any support  in Sansar Discord  on this. The arguments from others were that it's not all about making money. These people were mainly there for fun and hobby, and being part of something new, and getting in early, gaining experience, etc. They didn't realise or acknowledge that without making money the whole thing will tank, and that is the main reason Sansar will fail. I'm sure that Ebbe knows this. It should be aimed more at the people who want to and are putting in the effort to make money, but I didn't feel it was. The reason SL is a success is because people make money, and this drives incentive to do better.

But instead many people, like myself, just stopped working in Sansar when they announced that fee.

I remember a lot of discussion on both sides of the issue in Discord, but it's not the easiest method to follow the full conversation with having to scan lots of comments made while not online. And we made quite a showing in a couple of community meetups and a product meeting or two about that issue. As a result of those meetings, that fee never went into effect except for the very few who came after the creator beta went public. For those of us like yourself and me included, our creator preview accounts were extended and before that ran out they completely lifted the 50 item restriction on free accounts. So it basically became a non-issue except for those who jumped too soon. 

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On 1/19/2018 at 7:02 AM, Luna Bliss said:

It is, but already Sansar has far better avatars

Are you sure?

Sansar vs VR Chat

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Sansar avatars are fat, frumpy, and absolutely lack style.

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1 hour ago, Callum Meriman said:

 

Sansar avatars are fat, frumpy, and absolutely lack style.

While I too want the ability to change our avatars, and it is coming, but that said .. our avatars are far from fat and as for style .. that's up the person doing the dressing. I think my avatar has style. The pic below was taken before the fashion release in my Halloween themed experience, Spinnervale.

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This is a current picture taken in the same experience.

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I have a lot of clothing now to create whatever style I desire. But then dressing like a cartoon character has never been my style. 

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On 1/9/2018 at 2:32 PM, Adams Scarmon said:

Downloaded Sansar today..

 

I heard a lot of stuff about it but I dont really get it.

Is it a new SL where you can create things?

It kind of reminds me of a glorified IMVU without the cool stores to buy things.

 

What exactly is LL trying to achieve with Sansar?

It seems to me MILLIONS of USD were invested in a project that just doesn't seem justified enough.

I can't stop imagining how more wonderful SL would have been if that money was spent on .. SL.

Are we just the cash cows to finance Sansar?

ya but on sl we have to make escorting ilegal and stop ppl from bein able to withdraw lindens to real  money to make it worth while so i was on sansar to check it out and i noticed the avatars are almost perfect almost real ppl if you zoom in things look almost real its amazing and finaly girls cant strech the legs to crap on there avatars an make them 15 feet tall   like on sl

 

i think sansar will be a game for xbox  or pc an it will cost money ? 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Quinn Lysette said:

ya but on sl we have to make escorting ilegal and stop ppl from bein able to withdraw lindens to real  money to make it worth while so i was on sansar to check it out and i noticed the avatars are almost perfect almost real ppl if you zoom in things look almost real its amazing and finaly girls cant strech the legs to crap on there avatars an make them 15 feet tall   like on sl

I'm telling you, we really need that WTF emote...

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On 1/20/2018 at 9:50 PM, Rya Nitely said:

Thanks Luna,

I hope eventually you start making some money from all your efforts.

Good they could talk there and see what was fair too.

And I also understand those who want to 'make art for arts sake' , as that is ideal....but we do have to eat!

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8 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

I'm telling you, we really need that WTF emote...

We really do...but mostly for your annoying comments...

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8 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

We really do...but mostly for your annoying comments...

I do not have blind devotion to any one project. I offer critism where it is due. I also offer praise when and where it is deserved.

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12 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

I do not have blind devotion to any one project. I offer critism where it is due. I also offer praise when and where it is deserved.

Your comments on Sansar frequently seem arrogant and over-confident -- they reflect a level of expertise you do not possess. I could overlook that until you started insulting people.

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