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Oh man.. only in SL would you find more people outraged over someone noticing their neighbours have got a giant kiddie porn shop with an arrow on it than the kiddie porn shop xD Good to know nobodies enforcing stereotypes today and everybody feels big on the internet. 

Am surprised nobody got the reference though, Monkeydust not on in other countries? 

 

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53 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

... there is NO debate about reporting *****, but a debate about a self proclamed double moraled pedo police.

User-generated virtual worlds with self-policing communities are a necessity for their existence. What the OP is describing is little more than encouraging others to report violations, in addition to taking on as much of the work as this person appears to be able to handle. I would only applaud increased scrutiny and safety of children, and ***** that might impact them in SL. 

There is actually something like the OP's original idea. It was called NBC: Dateline, which is now ironic seeing that there are so many predators at NBC. However, this show setup what were essentially production-level bounty hunters with trained professionals to put real-life predators away. The work OP is describing doesn't even require training. The world is virtual, so the variables contributing to such predation should be much more opaque than in RL.

Anyone is free to disagree with me, or the OP on their original opinion, but even remotely suggesting you're defending age-play by dissuading something like a virtual "neighborhood watch" inclines me to make my opinion very clear. 

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1 hour ago, Lada Charlton said:

I'm with you!! I don't know how there could ever be any debate about reporting, or rooting out age-play in SL. While I don't think most abuse reports get the attention they deserve, I do think SL has a responsibility like any other user-generated community to actively remove these types of experiences from the network entirely. Many other networks have done this, and SL is no different. 

Defending this type of practice, whether it's an accidental "mis-perception" or not, is ... odd.  Given what's happening in Alabama right now, I'm surprised there isn't more attention on this. 

so what's happening in Alabama?

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4 minutes ago, Lada Charlton said:

Anyone is free to disagree with me, or the OP on their original opinion, but even remotely suggesting you're defending age-play by dissuading something like a virtual "neighborhood watch" inclines me to make my opinion very clear. 

NOBODY defends age p- lay here. You and the OP try to make it look that way, because some don't agree to your points.

And you, nor OP are the appointed police officer to start crusifying any people that perhaps, possibly, might suggest there's childs stuff at their homes.

You'll find your account locked in no time when you start doing it and report a few to many. LL is taking abusive use of the AR not lightly.

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1 hour ago, mortalum said:

And a hole in the top, too for people to enter, what is with that? 

Lada Charlton, to LL's credit the box was gone within three days.  Phew. 

Great to know, I think LL has done an excellent job of responding to reports, lately. 

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I must be a bad person because if i saw sexual ***** i'd just turn and walk away unless it was on my property then id kick them and ban them and then walk away.

oh I logged in and found a kid on my property the other day. it was fun watching her sail thru the air when i kicked and banned her

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6 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

NOBODY defends age p- lay here. You and the OP try to make it look that way, because some don't agree to your points.

And you, nor OP are the appointed police officer to start crusifying any people that perhaps, possibly, might suggest there's childs stuff at their homes.

You'll find your account locked in no time when you start doing it and report a few to many. LL is taking abusive use of the AR not lightly.

Literally anyone can submit an abuse report if they find sexual content related to *****. This would mean anyone who has an SL avatar is quite literally, the police. 

I think the original poster made very clear that they are not interested in RP families, which is a huge part of SL, but very specifically people who are violating the TOS (and by extension, U.S. law) through sexual content related to *****. 

None of this relates to abuse of the report tool, which is unrelated to the original reason abuse reports were created in the first place, to report real abuse. I'm not sure why there is any debate, here. 

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1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I must be a bad person because if i saw sexual ***** i'd just turn and walk away unless it was on my property then id kick them and ban them and then walk away.

oh I logged in and found a kid on my property the other day. it was fun watching her sail thru the air when i kicked and banned her

Not sure that really applies in this instance. As someone clarified, child avatars on Adult land are OK, unless they are engaging in sexual interactions. Then it is very clearly a violation of the TOS, and multiple laws. 

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1 minute ago, Lada Charlton said:

 I'm not sure why there is any debate, here. 

this line is as typical as the "no drama' statements in many profiles... who use it are the worst....

also here... you keep responding with the same over and over... you simply can't stand others disagree.

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1 minute ago, Lada Charlton said:

Not sure that really applies in this instance. As someone clarified, child avatars on Adult land are OK, unless they are engaging in sexual interactions. Then it is very clearly a violation of the TOS, and multiple laws. 

its a violation of my policy of not allowing kids on my property

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3 hours ago, mortalum said:

Apologies Rhonda, I didn't mean to offend 'your people'. Just ran into two of them today and one yesterday- I'm sure there weren't nearly as many when I was playing in 2007! Gets right on my goat!

Better watch out - they're cracking down on that too.

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11 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

this line is as typical as the "no drama' statements in many profiles... who use it are the worst....

also here... you keep responding with the same over and over... you simply can't stand others disagree.

You're grasping at straws, and making straw-man arguments, which are very confusing and wrong. I'm trying to address your claims directly while responding to what I feel are a severe lack of ethics in this discussion and your apparent interest in my opinion, which I've made clear since my original reply. You're not understanding how technology must always be developed to protect people, not exploit them. 

You are also saying the same words repeatedly, but somehow I don't think our interest in the health and safety of other human beings aren't what also make us similar. Are these the same opinions you share at your community board meetings to debate the efficacy of neighborhood watches and other self-governing in RL, too? Do you debate child avatar bans at Adult-themed parcels, as well? Why is this any different? 

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Personally, I see zero reason for a child avatar to be on zindra. There are other mainland continents well more appropriate for them to be on.

Pretty much every region zindra has, has some form of sexual content at ground level. Zindra was supposed to be a safe haven for adult content. It makes no sense for the only thing in the terms of service that cannot be sexualised, to be on a continent about sexual content.

The fact child avatars can pop into into zindra willy nilly makes me scared to go to and enjoy zindra.

But alas, current terms of service and community guidelines state they are allowed, so not much can be done about it.

 

I am not against child avatars on adult private regions unless that region is primarily housing adult content. Reason for this is because sometimes people may do sfw family RP and do nsfw acts on rental property. As long as both things are done seperate, i would see no reason for them to waste money on a extra rental property that is general or moderate rated.

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Who decides what is and isn't a "child" avatar? When LL started the crackdown on this subject it was about avatars made to clearly look like a little kids being involved in sexual activities in SL. I think most of us can agree that was a good idea.

However, LL was vague in the wording of their policy and the SL userbase, as it often does, overreacted. Suddenly having an avatar someone arbitrarily deemed as "too short" was enough to be called a child avatar. There are still a few adult sims out there that require you to be over 6' tall to not be considered a child avatar. How many adult women do you know that are over 6' all? There are sims that consider any avatar with pigtail or ponytail hairstyles to be child avatars. If your avatar skirted that "young adult" line, you'd hear cries of child avatar! Certain clothing isn't allowed in some sims. Two clearly adult avatars but one calls the other "daddy"? Child avatar!

You don't even have to leave this thread to see this kind of witch hunt mentality. The OP clearly attempted to imply that the first person who disagreed with their crusade must be a pedophile. Any semblance of debate about "self policing" ended right there and this became a call for "mob justice".

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29 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

so what's happening in Alabama?

The federal republican nominee for U.S. Senate who is a confirmed pedophile, is competing in one of the most hotly-debated elections on the globe tomorrow? 

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It's not been a good year for actors or politicians on either side..

Bill Cosby probably told them all, If I go down,I'm taking you all with me! \o/

 

hehehehe

 

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1 minute ago, Penny Patton said:

Who decides what is and isn't a "child" avatar? When LL started the crackdown on this subject it was about avatars made to clearly look like a little kids being involved in sexual activities in SL. I think most of us can agree that was a good idea.

However, LL was vague in the wording of their policy and the SL userbase, as it often does, overreacted. Suddenly having an avatar someone arbitrarily deemed as "too short" was enough to be called a child avatar. There are still a few adult sims out there that require you to be over 6' tall to not be considered a child avatar. How many adult women do you know that are over 6' all? There are sims that consider any avatar with pigtail or ponytail hairstyles to be child avatars. If your avatar skirted that "young adult" line, you'd hear cries of child avatar! Certain clothing isn't allowed in some sims. Two clearly adult avatars but one calls the other "daddy"? Child avatar!

You don't even have to leave this thread to see this kind of witch hunt mentality. The OP clearly attempted to imply that the first person who disagreed with their crusade must be a pedophile. Any semblance of "debate" ended right there.

This is a specific topic U.S. courts have been debating, for... over 50 years. For example, portions of U.S. law are very vague to empower prosecutors and judges to have more subjective control of cases. I think we can learn and adapt a lot from RL societies in SL, as this network has already done since 2004. 

If we extrapolate from U.S. law, which makes sense in multiple contexts not the least of which is how the activity we're discussing can *be a violation of U.S. law while still going un-reported, and continuing*, I think LL should start better, or more apparent and clear campaigns to protect people. This would obviously have a secondary effect on businesses, as consumers would feel safer (see the comment above) buying products and services, and would, therefore, buy more of them. Put simply, spending a little money now on anti-age-play campaigns might net LL a significant ROI in the long-run. 

I would think any campaign would have to scrap the silly height requirements to actually be useful, as all types of fantasy avatars might fall outside or inside this limit, and it's just not realistic. I think after a smaller campaign is successful, that LL should bring on in-house attorneys if they don't have them already that are specifically assigned to this work, and help to quickly process and automate reports ethically. 

I think most adults over the age of 25 can reliably discern what is sexual, age-play, and what is not. That subjectivity is the nature of reporting these instances, so we need all the community support we can get. The examples you mention are clear edge-cases to me, but that would be something for attorney's to help standardize and decide if they haven't already for LL.

I think using the phrase "witch hunt" is indicative of a perspective that falls far outside this discussion, but is similar, and reveals more about the commenter than this debate. Salem witches were murdered because they were marginalized women. What we're discussing here is a *virtual* world, that impacts real humans' health, and the sexual predators that make this a problem. Not marginalized women. If you want to discuss Salem, pick up a history book. 

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19 minutes ago, Penny Patton said:

Who decides what is and isn't a "child" avatar? When LL started the crackdown on this subject it was about avatars made to clearly look like a little kids being involved in sexual activities in SL. I think most of us can agree that was a good idea.

However, LL was vague in the wording of their policy and the SL userbase, as it often does, overreacted. Suddenly having an avatar someone arbitrarily deemed as "too short" was enough to be called a child avatar. There are still a few adult sims out there that require you to be over 6' tall to not be considered a child avatar. How many adult women do you know that are over 6' all? There are sims that consider any avatar with pigtail or ponytail hairstyles to be child avatars. If your avatar skirted that "young adult" line, you'd hear cries of child avatar! Certain clothing isn't allowed in some sims. Two clearly adult avatars but one calls the other "daddy"? Child avatar!

You don't even have to leave this thread to see this kind of witch hunt mentality. The OP clearly attempted to imply that the first person who disagreed with their crusade must be a pedophile. Any semblance of debate about "self policing" ended right there and this became a call for "mob justice".

This is what my sister and even i are starting to hate. i went to a sim that required female avatars to be !!!7 foot!! (and males at least 8 and also had a "required muscle slider" numberset) or else they're considered underaged. my avatar is 6.48 feet according to edit shape but apaprently that means i'm a child! hand me some lunchables and enroll me in school!

I have to wonder if op is seeing actual kid avs like smbs or toddledoos, or is seeing people with anime avatars or flat chested femboys and just labeling them "underaged".

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13 minutes ago, Lada Charlton said:

The examples you mention are clear edge-cases to me

You must be new to SL or not one to visit adult sims if you believe that. Beyond that, I won't dignify your attempts at ad hominem and logical fallacies with a response.

In any case I don't believe anything will come of this thread. If the OP wants to go hunting for people to report I can only hope they show good judgement in who they report and that LL shows common sense in handling those reports. 

1 minute ago, MaggiJin said:

I have to wonder if op is seeing actual kid avs like smbs or toddledoos, or is seeing people with anime avatars or flat chested femboys and just labeling them "underaged".

That's my concern as well. No one is arguing in favour of kids in sex sims or saying not to report actual child avs breaking the ToS, just pointing out that the SL community has not demonstrated the best judgement with regards to this topic.

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I do believe that, and I've been here observing this problem and building businesses on this network since 2004, including on the Teen Grid. I also know safety is paramount to any virtual network's long-term's success, and that arguments over the semantics of defining virtual representations of age-play sexual activity is less important than reporting as many *real* cases of this crime as possible. We need to do better. 

If you don't think anything will come of this thread, even in spite of the popular culture in the United States now paying closer attention to sex crimes, consider the major changes technology and internet companies have made in 2017 alone in order to be safer, and more transparent with regards to exploitation and criminal activity. Uber, Google, and Facebook just to name a few. 

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3 minutes ago, Lada Charlton said:

I do believe that

Well, you are objectively wrong.

5 minutes ago, Lada Charlton said:

arguments over the semantics of defining virtual representations of age-play sexual activity is less important than reporting as many *real* cases of this crime as possible

 I'm obviously not arguing over semantics about anything, I'm pointing out too many people in SL cannot discern between a kid avatar and a clearly adult avatar that is simply half their height because they choose to be 9' tall. I am clearly not suggesting people shouldn't report real cases of ToS breaking activities. And I am most certainly not suggesting LL should ignore real crimes.

You're either misunderstanding what I'm saying, or deliberately misrepresenting it and in either case you've pretty thoroughly proven the point I was making so I believe we're done here.

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