Mesh Statue from Scratch

[WESTCAT]

HI;

I am looking for a simple step by step tutorial to upload an object type to my Island area that I have.  Basically it would be a Statue 

something like this  

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/roman-statue-mesh-Full-Perm/4472895

but more like the Joker Clown object I made in Poser [not as the attached picture, that is an avatar I purchased in Second Life] see attached Avatar as an example only.

I am NOT referring to Avatars at all   

My plans are ... I would make the Joker or a Batman or Superman Statue that other avatars can see when they are online

in Second Life, and I am not.

What format may I upload to my location in second life which yes does allow me to unpack objects etc etc 

eg is it 3Dstudio, WaveOBJ, mtl [from Blender}

I understand it should be best manipulated/transformed in Blender.  That is pretty much the extent of the info I can find.  SL would not accept the mtl I made

Please if you have NEVER made and exported a Statue to SL, there is no need to reply   I am also not looking to do this for profit or open a store

just have a little fun making some nasty villains and heroes. 

I apologize humbly if this is not in the correct spot and please just message me with any condemnation for me asking for help.  I am not a stupid person I have been 

working with computers for fun and curiosity mostly since the 70's [FORTRAN and Pascal ,visual basic C+] with pretty decent application knowledge for autocad-LT turbo cad Poser Pro 

etc.  I have made and modified hundreds of textures and animations/BVH.   and while I have been messing around with SL since it first came out including a stint working with TTS  on it in 2008-09, 

 

 

[Rolig Loon]

The only format you can use for importing mesh objects to SL is collada.dae.  Blender handles that format easily.  You may find answers to many of your questions in

 

[Nalates Urriah]

Saying you want something others can see when you are not online, raises some questions. Anything you rez in-world is there whether you are online of not. Any mesh model is just a thing. So, are you thinking something other than just a 'thing'?

There is a ton of stuff on how to model for SL on YouTube and Vimeo. Builders Brewery gives classes in world.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+model+for+second+life = 34 million hits.

[WESTCAT]

2 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Saying you want something others can see when you are not online, raises some questions. Anything you rez in-world is there whether you are online of not. Any mesh model is just a thing. So, are you thinking something other than just a 'thing'?

There is a ton of stuff on how to model for SL on YouTube and Vimeo. Builders Brewery gives classes in world.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+model+for+second+life = 34 million hits.

Right thank you that's pretty much it.  The reason I explained it like that,  is people were messaging me about avatars.  Not talking about that, so that is why I clarified with the Someone else can still see the statue of let's say Batman figure when I am not on line.  So basically a statue or like a chair or wall but a human figure with textures that I have seen and bought on SL store.  NOT an Avatar.  I understand you can NOW make Mesh statues. SO how does one do that?  They are apparently low prim count, or high if you like depending how you do them. 

I have all the software and know how to use, just need some basic step by steps. 

thanks again for the link.  I looked and used every conceivable search term and word combo, and kept getting nothing to speak of. 

[WESTCAT]

3 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Saying you want something others can see when you are not online, raises some questions. Anything you rez in-world is there whether you are online of not. Any mesh model is just a thing. So, are you thinking something other than just a 'thing'?

There is a ton of stuff on how to model for SL on YouTube and Vimeo. Builders Brewery gives classes in world.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+model+for+second+life = 34 million hits.

AHHHH BINGO ding ding finally this is pretty much where I was stuck  Export an object to second life Here we go !   thanks again 

 

[Lindal Kidd]

I suggest you upload it to the Beta grid first...that way you don't pay any upload fees, and it gives you a chance to tweak things.  Only do the upload to the main grid when you are sure everything is right.

[Chic Aeon]

And reading the info again about what is LEGAL to upload might be good. Those "batman" figures and the like that you may have been buying are against the Terms Of Service :D.  

IF you make a whole new avatar character on your OWN, then that of course is OK on all fronts. 

 

[WESTCAT]

16 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

And reading the info again about what is LEGAL to upload might be good. Those "batman" figures and the like that you may have been buying are against the Terms Of Service :D.  

IF you make a whole new avatar character on your OWN, then that of course is OK on all fronts. 

 

What?!  So is this Illegal??? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-Batman/12827920   In addition if I went to this fellow after ani-mesh Statues eventually and possibly get all the bugs worked out, and asked him to make me a Batman Mesh Object Statue, ... he couldn't?  BUT the Avatar he and several others [spider-man, aqua man, even more of the girl superheroes] are making is legal to sell from Second Life. ... BUT doesn't SL Management have a review system for new products that get put out there? This is not the only store filled to the brim with Super Hero Avatars.  I mean who wouldn't want to be able to run around SL decked out as Baby Groot?  You must get hugged to death by aniBoobies. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-Baby-Groot/11776863  I am seriously thinking of buying this little fella for SURE!  In fact I just did  LOL 

OR if what you are trying to say IS that I cannot just grab a 100% mesh AV and somehow break the lock code on it then back Engineer it and then make a Statue from it ... NO of course I could not do that and wouldn't, but could AV Artists currently do the transition to making their Mesh Bodies into Statues/Fixed-ani-Characters?  even a Batman or a Superman?  I know Sport Teams would have a fit if they ever came in here and saw an NFL QB Avatar. all decked out in an official like Jersey ?

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

[Drake1 Nightfire]

19 minutes ago, WESTCAT said:

What?!  So is this Illegal??? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-Batman/12827920   In addition if I went to this fellow after ani-mesh Statues eventually and possibly get all the bugs worked out, and asked him to make me a Batman Mesh Object Statue, ... he couldn't?  BUT the Avatar he and several others [spider-man, aqua man, even more of the girl superheroes] are making is legal to sell from Second Life. ... BUT doesn't SL Management have a review system for new products that get put out there? This is not the only store filled to the brim with Super Hero Avatars.  I mean who wouldn't want to be able to run around SL decked out as Baby Groot?  You must get hugged to death by aniBoobies. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-Baby-Groot/11776863  I am seriously thinking of buying this little fella for SURE!  In fact I just did  LOL 

Yes, that is illegal.. It breaks copyright and trademark laws in the US. 

OR if what you are trying to say IS that I cannot just grab a 100% mesh AV and somehow break the lock code on it then back Engineer it and then make a Statue from it ... NO of course I could not do that and wouldn't, but could AV Artists currently do the transition to making their Mesh Bodies into Statues/Fixed-ani-Characters?  even a Batman or a Superman?  I know Sport Teams would have a fit if they ever came in here and saw an NFL QB Avatar. all decked out in an official like Jersey ?

And DC and Marvel would have a fit and sue to have them removed as well. 

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

Wrong, those are not officially licensed jerseys. The NFL has not given anyone in SL a license to make anything. 

The bottom line is this, you "can" buy those item and run the risk of them being removed from your inventory without getting your money back when the license holder files a DMCA, or you can just go on with your SL and send letters to these companies to allow them in SL. 

[Rolig Loon]

26 minutes ago, WESTCAT said:

doesn't SL Management have a review system for new products that get put out there?

Not at all.  You have the wrong end of the stick.  LL has neither the staff nor the time to check every single item that is added to Marketplace or sold somewhere in world.  The burden is on you, the creator/seller, not to screw up. If you violate U.S. copyright laws by appropriating material without permission, the copyright owner may file a federal DMCA complaint against you with Linden Lab  ( see https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/intellectual-property-infringement-notification-policy  ), who will remove the offending material. You might also be subject to civil action, especially if the owner is a powerful entity with a big legal department, like Disney or the NFL. If you violate the intellectual property rights of another SL creator and are therefore in violation of the TOS (Sect 2), you may also be subject to sanctions from Linden Lab, including expulsion from SL.

Scary stuff, but not for reasonably honest people like you and me.    If you ever have questions about what's allowed and what's not in SL, one place to look for answers is http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Official_Information_and_Policies_Portal

Edited November 20, 2017 by Rolig Loon

[WESTCAT]

4 minutes ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

The bottom line is this, you "can" buy those item and run the risk of them being removed from your inventory without getting your money back when the license holder files a DMCA, or you can just go on with your SL and send letters to these companies to allow them in SL. 

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

Wrong, those are not officially licensed jerseys. The NFL has not given anyone in SL a license to make anything. 

SO They are then kinda maybe NOT telling the full story here? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Seattle-Seahawks-Super-Bowl-XLVIII-Champions-Team-Wood-Sign/5738170

There was one other store I ran into that said it had OFFICIAL NFL gear here ... AND THEN here's the WWE.  Ed McMahon  would have a kineptic fit and Body Slam SL but I guess they called Ed up and got permission?              https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/131862    Anyhow anything I use is messed and meshed out on my own and 100% original so if I ever do get some Statues I'll have to cook up my own Super Heroes I guess. Thanks 

[WESTCAT]

6 minutes ago, WESTCAT said:

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

Wrong, those are not officially licensed jerseys. The NFL has not given anyone in SL a license to make anything. 

SO They are then kinda maybe NOT telling the full story here? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Seattle-Seahawks-Super-Bowl-XLVIII-Champions-Team-Wood-Sign/5738170

There was one other store I ran into that said it had OFFICIAL NFL gear here ... AND THEN here's the WWE.  Ed McMahon  would have a kineptic fit and Body Slam SL but I guess they called Ed up and got permission?              https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/131862    Anyhow anything I use is messed and meshed out on my own and 100% original so if I ever do get some Statues I'll have to cook up my own Super Heroes I guess. Thanks 

OH OH OH ... just thought of something.  Does not SL get a piece of the $L when-ever a sale is made???  Hmmmmmmmmmm then again how involved is Walmart with the details of any merchandise they sell and their liability, I guess?  

[Rolig Loon]

3 minutes ago, WESTCAT said:

Does not SL get a piece of the $L when-ever a sale is made???

The answer there is that Linden Lab is charging the seller a 5% fee for delivery and bookkeeping, not sharing in the seller's profit. Linden Lab is not selling the item. You have full responsibility. Here's the TOS language (Sect. 2.3) :

In connection with Content you upload, publish, or submit to any part of the Service, you affirm, represent, and warrant that you own or have all necessary Intellectual Property Rights, licenses, consents, and permissions to use and authorize Linden Lab and users of the Service to use the Content in the manner contemplated by the Service and these Terms.

Because the law may or may not recognize certain Intellectual Property Rights in any particular Content, you should consult a lawyer if you want legal advice regarding your legal rights in a specific situation. You acknowledge and agree that you are responsible for knowing, protecting, and enforcing any Intellectual Property Rights you hold, and that Linden Lab cannot do so on your behalf.

The sad fact is that there is a lot of illegal material in Marketplace, either because the sellers are unaware of their responsibility or are blatantly ignoring it. Because only the actual intellectual property owner may file a DMCA complaint, most of that material remains unnoticed. However, Linden Lab is very serious about responding immediately when they receive a complaint, as required by federal law.  Other than other SL creators, as I said earlier, the ones most likely to complain are companies with armies of lawyers and deep pockets, who will not hesitate to crush you like a bug if they find out.

 

[Nalates Urriah]

IP rights are highly abused whether one is talking RL or SL. So, avoid surprise when you see someone ripping off a product.

With copyright and trademark there is a lot of confusion. Enough similarity to a copyrighted item in an original work has been found to violate the the original item's copyright. So, it gets complex.

Then there is the fuzzy line of Fair Use of copyrighted material. That confuses people. Then there are exceptions for educational use, which further confuses people.

Licensing means someone is paying the rights holder. There is usually an up front cost. Those I know about are too high to warranted for using a product in SL. But, some companies prefer the advertising exposure and allow trademarks to be freely used as long as they bare the TM of (C) symbols, like Coka Cola logos in SL.

My point being is you CANNOT reverse engineer the law from what people do. Once you know the basic law you know who is legit and who is ripping of who.

[Drake1 Nightfire]

5 hours ago, WESTCAT said:

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

Wrong, those are not officially licensed jerseys. The NFL has not given anyone in SL a license to make anything. 

SO They are then kinda maybe NOT telling the full story here? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Seattle-Seahawks-Super-Bowl-XLVIII-Champions-Team-Wood-Sign/5738170

There was one other store I ran into that said it had OFFICIAL NFL gear here ... AND THEN here's the WWE.  Ed McMahon  would have a kineptic fit and Body Slam SL but I guess they called Ed up and got permission?              https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/131862    Anyhow anything I use is messed and meshed out on my own and 100% original so if I ever do get some Statues I'll have to cook up my own Super Heroes I guess. Thanks 

They are not officially licensed.. If you want to be an a$$ about it then by all means, spout off like you dont give a damn. That link does  not say anything about licensing. We told you the laws. If you choose to ignore them then that is on you. 

 

5 hours ago, WESTCAT said:

OH OH OH ... just thought of something.  Does not SL get a piece of the $L when-ever a sale is made???  Hmmmmmmmmmm then again how involved is Walmart with the details of any merchandise they sell and their liability, I guess?  

You sound like an angsty teenager. Wal-mart is compliant will all copyright and trademark laws. They wont take the risk of selling illegal merchandise. LL doesn't sell on the MP, users do. But again, you seem to want to ignore any info that you dont like. 

[WESTCAT]

1 hour ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

They are not officially licensed.. If you want to be an a$$ about it then by all means, spout off like you dont give a damn. That link does  not say anything about licensing. We told you the laws. If you choose to ignore them then that is on you. 

 

You sound like an angsty teenager. Wal-mart is compliant will all copyright and trademark laws. They wont take the risk of selling illegal merchandise. LL doesn't sell on the MP, users do. But again, you seem to want to ignore any info that you dont like. 

WOW SSSTTTTRRRREEETTTCCCHHHHHH 

[WESTCAT]

4 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

IP rights are highly abused whether one is talking RL or SL. So, avoid surprise when you see someone ripping off a product.

With copyright and trademark there is a lot of confusion. Enough similarity to a copyrighted item in an original work has been found to violate the the original item's copyright. So, it gets complex.

Then there is the fuzzy line of Fair Use of copyrighted material. That confuses people. Then there are exceptions for educational use, which further confuses people.

Licensing means someone is paying the rights holder. There is usually an up front cost. Those I know about are too high to warranted for using a product in SL. But, some companies prefer the advertising exposure and allow trademarks to be freely used as long as they bare the TM of (C) symbols, like Coka Cola logos in SL.

My point being is you CANNOT reverse engineer the law from what people do. Once you know the basic law you know who is legit and who is ripping of who.

Thank you 

[Drake1 Nightfire]

16 hours ago, WESTCAT said:

But I guess it is obviously OK to buy Official Jerseys etc etc?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/62638    So I could buy a Baby Groot and put an NFL Sea Hawks Cap on his head? YES! Hug City here I come !!!   

Wrong, those are not officially licensed jerseys. The NFL has not given anyone in SL a license to make anything. 

SO They are then kinda maybe NOT telling the full story here? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Seattle-Seahawks-Super-Bowl-XLVIII-Champions-Team-Wood-Sign/5738170

There was one other store I ran into that said it had OFFICIAL NFL gear here ... AND THEN here's the WWE.  Ed McMahon  would have a kineptic fit and Body Slam SL but I guess they called Ed up and got permission?              https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/131862    Anyhow anything I use is messed and meshed out on my own and 100% original so if I ever do get some Statues I'll have to cook up my own Super Heroes I guess. Thanks 

You mean Vince McMahon? Ed was on the tonight show... and has been dead for 8 years...