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Since I run a 7yr old club that lets people pretend to be a stripper, I often get this question and haven't got a great answer. I don't do the serious role play in SL, am more of a RL me, enhanced person, so 

Not including furry, alien creatures or all the other non humans, does most human role play consist of a totally separate created persona and if they have alts, can it be separate from the other alts without regard to feelings in RL. Can a guy have one avatar as the "bad boy" type and another as the loyal partner type? Can a girl create an avatar as the partner, loyal and loving and still have an alt as the stripper in my club and resolve it as role play? Setting aside, non serious actors, I know several people that have alts that come to the club to avoid their partners, one naughty, one not. I am curious as how they resolve the partnered relationship with the "alt gone wild' persona. Do you think they can just go oh, that is not the me in the relationship, its a created persona in role play or is it a connected but "on the sly" license to cheat thing. I see some partnered relationships quite serious, at times evolving into real life ones (if not created that way) and its hard to understand how one of those people can "create" another avatar that roams randomly without thought to the other one without mutual understanding and consent. Seems much easier to understand in non human, since one can log in as Fred the Furry, then log out and back in as the Alien Scourge without much conflict. One has to understand this IS a second life and exaggerations abound, after all, we ALL cant be 21. You can be anything you want, but can one be multiple without concern for the other in human form?

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Can someone operate in SL or RL without regard to the welfare of others?

You bet!

SL just makes it easier.

As for the specific attitudes someone might have towards their avatar(s) and those inhabited by others, you'll have to ask them.

I also don't think playing a furry or alien somehow eliminates the potential for hurting others. It's not about the character you play, it's about the relationships you establish with other people here. And it's also about mismatched expectations. There are people here who are prone to hurt others. There are people here who are prone to getting hurt by others.

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Not that I ***** around, but in general needing to seperate my professional and private selves... As an immersionist, alts are very seperate people for me. I am able to sperate them into two personalities on top of my RL one. The whole enhanced.

 

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Even though I was an actress in RL awhile back (real film but you wouldn't have seen it -- or the chances are VERY VERY slim LOL) I have a difficult time with folks who contend that "it is just roleplay". Most of us are many people locked up inside of one body. Actors know that well and become "that part" of themselves for the part. And it CAN be scary.   It isn't that the actors would actually DO some of the things they act out for the camera, but that potential is in there "somewhere". 

Someone long ago on these forums said that people shouldn't kid themselves, that if their avatar was down in the dungeon torturing someone  -- it was just as much THEM down in that dungeon.  (I am paraphrasing here so may have it slightly off, but I was impressed with that line so remembered the IDEA if not exactly the words.) 

I am not good at role play. I am "me" where-ever I am and that's just the way it is.  If I wanted to go hang out on a dance pole, I would just go as Chic. She has the wardrobe anyway LOL.  Lots of people hide behind their avatars. If you can't face yourself in real life, making up a slew of pixelated dreamers isn't going to make things any more clear. 

MHO of course. :D 

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3 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

Since I run a 7yr old club that lets people pretend to be a stripper, I often get this question and haven't got a great answer. I don't do the serious role play in SL, am more of a RL me, enhanced person, so 

Not including furry, alien creatures or all the other non humans, does most human role play consist of a totally separate created persona and if they have alts, can it be separate from the other alts without regard to feelings in RL. Can a guy have one avatar as the "bad boy" type and another as the loyal partner type? Can a girl create an avatar as the partner, loyal and loving and still have an alt as the stripper in my club and resolve it as role play? Setting aside, non serious actors, I know several people that have alts that come to the club to avoid their partners, one naughty, one not. I am curious as how they resolve the partnered relationship with the "alt gone wild' persona. Do you think they can just go oh, that is not the me in the relationship, its a created persona in role play or is it a connected but "on the sly" license to cheat thing. I see some partnered relationships quite serious, at times evolving into real life ones (if not created that way) and its hard to understand how one of those people can "create" another avatar that roams randomly without thought to the other one without mutual understanding and consent. Seems much easier to understand in non human, since one can log in as Fred the Furry, then log out and back in as the Alien Scourge without much conflict. One has to understand this IS a second life and exaggerations abound, after all, we ALL cant be 21. You can be anything you want, but can one be multiple without concern for the other in human form?

Is it called Strippers RP club? If it is it looks great on the world map, a nice busy place. Then you go there and see its all a bunch of avis all  parked up in the sky

I personally don't RP as a SL stripper, i am a SL stripper. Similarly, i don't RP as a SL escort, I am an escort.

I personally detest RP because it gives the rper an excuse to lie and cheat and do whatever they want and say, oh i didn't really mean it, it was just rp.

Same with alts, there's only one person at the keyboard, so if you are hiding on your partner by logging in an alt, do both of you a favor and break up.

If i'm gonna lie and cheat, i'm gonna do it for real, as me, on my main, and no its not rp.

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3 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

Lots of people hide behind their avatars.

Rhonda is me, through and through.

In 1st life I role play as an IT dork for tips while I wander around the halls looking for left over meeting food.

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Thank Chic, just very much like an actor/actress I would assume, immersing oneself in whatever character assigned. Although I can not get my mind around having several with little regard for others, I guess there can be, each having their own personality, not much different that a person with MPD (or DID). But unlike an actor/actress that can chat off set and say wow, my character is a real B*** today, they keep in character as logged on.

Callum, thank you for the insight. Impressionism, such as used in journalism, sometimes called gonzo journalism is an interesting concept when applied to Second Life and human interactions within.

BilliJo, the club is not for SL strippers. It was set up years ago when a partner and I wanted to spice up our SL life a bit and sought out a club that allowed stripper RP for a night (think armature night in a real club). We were nicely, not so nicely, rudely and sometimes ejected from every club in SL, so I decided maybe there is a need. I built the club with that idea, still have the club, partner has long since moved on. Its not a place to make tips, we don't have employees, it is set up kinda dark and dingy, like a real strip club only missing the guy with a cigar stub at the door checking IDs. I have 2 alts which are the two guys making cute comments downstairs (which used to be dummies until so many started talking and trying to friend them). The mesh bouncer is scripted to make rude comments, much like a real club, the two German cleaning girls have camped there for years for unknown reasons, and 5-6 others are part of some group that approached me several years ago wanting to set up some phone/tablet text chat network, some staying logged in 24hrs a day, i suspect on a phone. The club is not meant to be busy. The club is for couples or people that want to have occasional fun doing what you do full time. An occasional escort uses the themed rooms and usually leaves the club a nice tip. The club normally breaks even, sometimes not. Lots of people role play for good reasons and have fun at it. My query was trying to understand the ones that do not in human form. Thanks for your input.

Rhonda, long before the advent of Second Life, people hid behind their online persona in chat rooms. Invented in the 70s, they became the rage in the 80s when I snuck in and would watch the text scroll by, hearing only the sound of a 14400 modem churp on and off to connect by a phone line. They used the anonymity to make sometimes disturbing disrupting comments hoping they wouldn't be sought out and have their asses beat, which would happen if they made such comments in RL.

 

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7 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

Since I run a 7yr old club that lets people pretend to be a stripper, I often get this question and haven't got a great answer. I don't do the serious role play in SL, am more of a RL me, enhanced person, so 

For me, a huge part of your answer is already here when you draw a line between "serious roleplay" (serious? we do roleplay for fun and I've not yet met any of these serious roleplays) and enhanced persons which is also why I prefer to roleplay on rp sims to avoid this kind of amalgams.

7 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

Can a guy have one avatar as the "bad boy" type and another as the loyal partner type? Can a girl create an avatar as the partner, loyal and loving and still have an alt as the stripper in my club and resolve it as role play? Setting aside, non serious actors, I know several people that have alts that come to the club to avoid their partners, one naughty, one not.

I'm usually uncomfortable and cautious around this kind of persons because on SL, it's a choice. Roleplay is not a job where you have to interpret this role and no other than this or you're fired. It's a choice so what's the motive to choose this?

7 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

Do you think they can just go oh, that is not the me in the relationship, its a created persona in role play or is it a connected but "on the sly" license to cheat thing.

I guess sometimes yes, and sometimes it's probably just to live a fantasy they can not achieve in rl which doesn't mean they're roleplaying nor that they want to cheat but that they need to experience this for themselves. In our individualistic centered society, it makes sense that a lot of people justify their self-centered decisions by discarding the impact it may have on others. But it's not rp.

7 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

You can be anything you want, but can one be multiple without concern for the other in human form?

I believe that we all have multiple sides and that one personality can not be resumed in one behavior. On SL it's easier to explore and express our inner diversity but it doesn't mean that someone is different or interpretating a character.

 

Even when I'm not roleplaying I do keep my finned ears and headfins on. Not because I'm roleplaying my mermaid 24/7 but because even when I'm not roleplaying, I'm a roleplayer.

On a sidenote, I know many furries who could explain you that it's not a roleplay but a lifestyle.

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Well first of all... ALTS or CHARACTERS...

ALT for me means alternative as in different login information and "resident" name (when I registered this account there were no resident surnames^^) - a completely different account you have to logout for and relog in as...

CHARACTERs can be via the same account using a titler over your head, different looks, heck even specified profile picks for several sims...

HUGE difference and it´s a pet peeve of mine to mix them up...

I don´t have the time or money for alts, heck even Kasha is on a strict budget making me whine to my bf ever so often (he´s so understanding^^)

Characters - well I don´t even really have the time to RP in SL or even if I have it´s highly irregularly and at times where nobody is on (US and Asia sleeping, Europe working...) but I just altered my CV for the sims maybe chose other names...

in a Spartacus themed sim  Akasha was named Aurelia and wore different hair from what she usually wears... but in other sims with a similar setting for me it was like going to another city in RL, same same but slightly different.

Akasha doubles as my IRC StarWars Officer Rhian de-Girondel:

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(they´re the same xept for the name and while Kasha is 3 days older than RL me Rhian is a bit younger), I do have Talon Avatar to...somehow portrait my TWi'lek Arali'wa Raven from said IRC RP (she´s a TIE pilot, a costume I built in RL). Actually this is where I ran into walls in SL - find someone to give me tintable lekku and custom tattoos for them back in 2014.

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That was a first for me ;)   Usually I got EVERYTHING and anything I wanted. Even Ari uses my standard Kasha shape though...., same with my Shadowrun 5 PNP Char Stella Reed - Kasha with a certain hairstyle and tattoo ;)

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(the last pic was a blog post of mine.... Stella is based on this look as it´s hard to find pics of Kasha with another tattoo on ^^)

For my Character in RP: there´s a lot of Alex in Akasha, but there´s more to Alex than Kasha... if you know what I mean... she is a part of me and if you know her well you´ll see what´s just me being myself and what´s something I wouldn´t do (the sex she had with strangers... I´m demisexual. If I don´t know you I won´t get horny... looks only just don´t cut it for me ;) I can´t draw to save my life - she´s a tattoo artist.... I´m chubby she wore quite skimpy outfits ...toned that down, too XD)

 

 

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10 hours ago, Navy1 Coba said:

I am curious as how they resolve the partnered relationship with the "alt gone wild' persona. Do you think they can just go oh, that is not the me in the relationship, its a created persona in role play or is it a connected but "on the sly" license to cheat thing.

I suspect that the number of people who are able to truly separate is vastly dwarfed by the number of people who claim that they do.

There are ways to explore other parts of oneself which don't involve sexual connection with someone other than your partner. Daydream, make up stories in your head, read and write fiction. But if it involves an actual other person and you can't be honest with the one you made some sort of commitment to (implied or stated), then there's something going on needing your attention.

And if you're using the other person as nothing more than a character in your fantasy, then there's every chance it's not fair to the other person either.

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6 hours ago, Akasha Sternberg said:

there´s a lot of Alex in Akasha, but there´s more to Alex than Kasha... if you know what I mean... she is a part of me and if you know her well you´ll see what´s just me being myself and what´s something I wouldn´t do (the sex she had with strangers... I´m demisexual. If I don´t know you I won´t get horny... looks only just don´t cut it for me ;) I can´t draw to save my life - she´s a tattoo artist.... I´m chubby she wore quite skimpy outfits ...toned that down, too XD)

You are beautiful; she looks nice.

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On 10/4/2017 at 6:09 PM, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I personally detest RP because it gives the rper an excuse to lie and cheat and do whatever they want and say, oh i didn't really mean it, it was just rp.

Well, see, this isn't it at all, and I think it depends on the level of commitment, the type of relationships you have, or the expectations of those you play with. 

So first RP is storytelling.  Nothing more.  Like in the movies or books, you have villains, victims, heroes, extras, etc. and people get together and write and create this story.

Second, relationships vary.  Here's an example.  I once had a character who had a bf.  This boyfriend was actually played by a woman - and I knew this beforehand.  Again, storytelling and writing.  Just like a novelist writes both female and male characters, so can a person ROLEPLAY any gender they want (or any fantasy creature, or space alien, or whatever), as long as it was believable.  Turns out we both read the same romance novels, so she had inadvertently created a character that was modeled after my favorite romance novel heroes.  I had no RL romantic entanglements with this person outside the roleplay.  Had my character "cheated" on her boyfriend or vice versa, neither one of us would have been RL hurt or felt "cheated" on or lied to.  It was all part of this big soap opera we were writing (roleplaying), and we would have probably discussed that this could happen.  Had I decided to play more than one character and had another avi in another city/sim, or even in that same one, it still wouldn't be "lying and cheating".

 

"Cheating and Lying" have nothing to do with RP - it has to do with breaking a commitment or a promise to a person, doing things behind their back, and not being open and discussing things.  If a person and their partner agree that they won't RP certain scenarios with others, like sexual ones, and one of them does - then it is lying and cheating.  If you have a RL connection and relationship with expectations with the other person, then it is "lying and cheating"  If you have that connection/type of relationship, and the other person purposely creates an alt and doesn't tell you about, just so he or she could go get freaky elsewhere, then it is lying and cheating. 

But Roleplay is NOT lying and cheating.  

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In roleplay, I have several avis with different looks and character. I have them separate for several reasons. With different looks and clothing, saves my main from having a bloated inventory. It also helps keep the characters separate in my head. The other reason is I'm an admin in an RP sim and I don't want to have even the appearance of poaching other sims. I also teach RP techniques.

What you are describing is more of a player that takes advantage rather than a true roleplayer.

Here's the thing, when you truly roleplay, you are an actor creating an improv play. You will have some of yourself in your character but for the maximum enjoyment, be someone different. Depending on where you play, things can happen that you might not be comfortable with. Remember it's just pixels on the screen, not you at the keyboard. If you feel like it's happening to you, step back. You want to play a character in RP, not necessarily a pixel version of yourself. I also don't RP with the same people on an alt from the main I use in that sim with one exception, when I on an alt playing what is called an NPC for RP purposes.

There is a difference between a roleplayer and a person that plays with no regard to others' feelings. Hope that helps.

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When I was into SL Roleplay a lot, we had specific conventions to cover In Character (IC) and Out Of Character (OOC) conduct.

If you had an avatar that you used for both RP and General SL activities, it was generally best to make sure that your Non-RP romantic partner was OK with any In Character activies crossing the line into “misbehavior” :-) If they were not, you needed to choose whether or not to respect the relationship.....

Its tough, especially if one of the people in the Relationship is a role player and understands the IC/OOC Break and the other does not.

I’m not an advocate of hurting people’s feelings, so I would be very clear of what the other person is Ok-with before going there.

I was lucky, my longtime Partner was also right there in the Roleplay - and we kept the IMs active to make sure that no butt-hurt between us would result from IC activities.

But as I said; it’s hard :-)

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but then there´s non sexual RP, too...

I mean... I do have enough sex and love in my RL I don´t need any of those two in SL anymore. So while I might find a chance to RP  occasionally...maybe... hopefully... I wouldn´t do sexual RP again... which shows that RP is "possible" even when the non RP partner asks you to be exclusive...

I mean I was very active (admin active) in a sim that had sex, rape, dark, urban... you name it in it´s description, I wasn´t exclusive and generally open to sexual rp and still managed not to go there for weeks on end (mainly because the quality of male avis just sucked or they were scared of me and into the rapable little blondes not into the weird dark haired one with all the tattoos....who´d just tear them a new one xD ) in fact one of my female friends there made my backside burn because I was "too good" xD 

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1 hour ago, Akasha Sternberg said:

but then there´s non sexual RP, too...

I mean... I do have enough sex and love in my RL I don´t need any of those two in SL anymore. So while I might find a chance to RP  occasionally...maybe... hopefully... I wouldn´t do sexual RP again... which shows that RP is "possible" even when the non RP partner asks you to be exclusive...

I mean I was very active (admin active) in a sim that had sex, rape, dark, urban... you name it in it´s description, I wasn´t exclusive and generally open to sexual rp and still managed not to go there for weeks on end (mainly because the quality of male avis just sucked or they were scared of me and into the rapable little blondes not into the weird dark haired one with all the tattoos....who´d just tear them a new one xD ) in fact one of my female friends there made my backside burn because I was "too good" xD 

“Fade To Black” is also an option. If a scene is going to be distressing for a player to RP through, the Fade to Black stipulates that the event in question “happened” but without it having to have been role played through. This was mainly used for sex and violence, but sometimes other things like medical procedures where the majority of players present glaze over when the RP Paramedics start speaking in their jargon :-)

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On 10/7/2017 at 3:20 AM, Bobbie Faulds said:

In roleplay, I have several avis with different looks and character. I have them separate for several reasons. With different looks and clothing, saves my main from having a bloated inventory. It also helps keep the characters separate in my head. The other reason is I'm an admin in an RP sim and I don't want to have even the appearance of poaching other sims. I also teach RP techniques.

 

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I do this too!  I have characters with different ethnicities or backgrounds or fit certain stereotypes, and the "click" in my head is very definitive when switching from one to the next.

RP is indeed an improv play, and as others have mentioned, Fade To Black is always an option, and RP does not equal sex.  Many people roleplay as children - no sex, no lying, no cheating.  Many people roleplay as animals or domestic animals - no sex, no lying, no cheating (though I HAVE seen people roleplay as animals and have sex with each other, but.. SL is SL and whatever floats your boat.)

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