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Best slave collar with tonnes of animation?

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Hi all,

Until recently I was using open collar system collars and they seemed ok, but more time passed more limited I felt. Despite it has tons of animations only few of them are really useful... some kneel animations, some kisses may be. One more - sub touches herself, good pose but never animated. Thats it. Oh yes I know you can buy animations from stores and add them to collar, so don't bother explaining it to me please. But first, I don't need just some terrible animations from some terrible aos - I want couple ones, and not some never aligned piece of... you have idea, but perfectly aligned animation of foot worship for example, or whipping and such. Opencollar can not do it... unless you manually reposition your av and another person does same with her\his av etc...

Anyway, I've opened this topic not to bash opencollar, I just wanted to tell it is not sufficient for me and why it is not. So, I definitely need another collar system - with ability to play couples animations without need of reposition avatars and tons of really useful sexy animations (sexy - not sex). Not just a sub kneeling near mistress, but things she can do... for example hug Mistress'es legs etc. (please don't even mention that terrible subhug from opencollar). 

So question is simple: what collar system would you advice? Price is not important for me - quality is.

Thanks.

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I believe the best way to have a collar that fits exactly your expectations is still to customize it yourself.

From OpenCollar :

"Like everything else in the OpenCollar device, poses and couples animations are modular and can be expanded or slimmed down to your preference. In case of single poses, these simply need to be dropped into the contents of the collar's root and installed with a chat command. To do this, rez the collar on the ground, right-click and open it and then drag and drop all the poses you wish to install into the collar's content window. Then proceed to install the poses with the command [prefix] mv anims

For couples animations, it is advised to use a tilde symbol (~) in front of each couples animations name. This prevents the animation to be listed in the Pose menu. Couples animations are parsed from a notecard .couples or !couples in a simple format as shown below.

Format: NameOfTheSequence|~WearerAnim|~PartnerAnim|DISTANCE|Text printed to nearby chat.

Example: pet|~bottom|~top|0.55|_PARTNER_ pets _SELF_'s head."

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Thanks for replay, but did ever your sub used her collar to kiss or subhug you? May be you remember pain of turning your av around trying to make her hug another person, not the air? I experience it many times every day. If there were a way to properly align avatars they would do it with their own animations, don't you think?

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14 minutes ago, KittyCharming said:

Thanks for replay, but did ever your sub used her collar to kiss or subhug you? May be you remember pain of turning your av around trying to make her hug another person, not the air? I experience it many times every day. If there were a way to properly align avatars they would do it with their own animations, don't you think?

He added foot worship poses and no, we don't have this issue.

There's also a simple trick to avoid this kind of problem : start away from the Mistress/Master, the script will then auto-adjust the distance and position the avies which usually also fix the mis-alignment.

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I know about that little trick, my sub uses it, but when she "kisses" me I see terrible animation, same when she subhugs - actually she subhugs air in front of me. I've seen those animations in so many cases, on so many different avs of different height; and every time I see somebody hugs air. May be it is enough for other persons just to understand the idea, and just forget about animations, but not for me. With the same success she just could tell me "I hug your legs" - It would be even better - there would not be monstrous animations at least.

So, please I do not need opencollar or anything connected with it. If there is any good slave collar system, please let me know. If no - I prefer never use collar and roleplay instead, as stupid as it is.

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22 hours ago, KittyCharming said:

I see terrible animation,

i think the real answer is in this line.

Most animations around are older than all of us together!.. and for all sizes of avatars you should have different ones or at least a postitioning system that's able to have variables for several sized avatars. I seriously doubt it's caused by the OC system ...

 

45 minutes ago, Morgan Rosenstar said:

The only other alternative I know is Xcite Tokon.

yes thats one too, but i'm not sure there is been development for that...

i have a old version, scared to use it, think the heavy scripted huds will kill a sim within a few seconds...

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There are a bunch of collar systems out there, opencollar is the most commonly encountered, others nearly as common, and some are rare as hens teeth.

Generally, the rarity with which you encounter a collar system is a good indication of how utterly bloody useless it is...

To-who collars?

Most collars don't offer couples anims at all, and expect you to ue a couples hug & kiss hud seperately, and trust me if you think thjere are alignment problems with oc couples, you aint see n nothing till you try a non rlv scripted hugger hud.

OC couples anims theoretically use rlv to rotate the two people to more or less face each other and more or less be the right distance apart (assuming both are using rlv). If you are wearing an oc collar and NOT using rlv, this auto-rotate/auto-space basically will not work.

The best system for what you appear to want is YOU buying 'decent couples animations', and YOU editing your collar to add these to the thing, and YOU editing the couples notecard to set YOUR chosen distances and in-local-chat machine emotes, etc.

Remember one of the limitations of the poses in opencollars is sourcing full perm anims, without violating IP rights, or using copybotted poses.

Some of the better single poses in current oc collars were donated several years ago by Marine Kelly, a subset of the poses in her 300 ls sub posing hud product, for example (the 'booty' pose and 'kneel' poses for example).

Your Opencollar is aa good as you make it.
 

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Ok, it seems it is too hard to understand what I am looking for. For example: delete1.png

or, like this:

<MODERATOR: Inappropriate Image Removed>

I know if I buy couple animation (never saw good bdsm couple animations for sale) and I make thousand rotations and two tousand steps in different directions I probably will be able to bring two avs close... but never align as good as you see on those pics. If I am wrong, please show one example of well aligned couple animation you use.

If there are no good alternatives to open collar - I prefer to use rolaplaying or some hud with well aligned animations. I can live without terribly looking leash and couple  most basic kneeling animations..

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23 minutes ago, KittyCharming said:

Ok, it seems it is too hard to understand what I am looking for

It's not 'too hard to understand'.

It's more like ...

"hi where can i get a folding pocket knife that can instantly destroy 80 ton main battle tanks please?"

"you can't, have you considered a modern shoulder fired anti-tank launcher?"

"I want a pocket knife that folds, and can cut through 200 mm of Chobham composite armour like a red hot chainsaw through runny butter"

"Good luck with that, meanwhile heres a catalog for wire guided anti-tank weapons"

 

29 minutes ago, KittyCharming said:

I prefer to use rolaplaying or some hud with well aligned animations.

There are exactly NO huds with 'well aligned animations'  because short of using rlv and a relay to seize control of your Domme's viewer and physically rotate and move her avatar, there is no way to ensure that SHE is aligned with you other than huds which rez poseballs, assuming you are on land where you can rez, and assuming you can get the Domme to sit on one.

The best you can hope for is your collar/hud uses YOUR rlv (assuming you are not so RP as to have switched that off) to move you approximately into position.

I've seen a foot worhip hud with the kind of pose you have in one of your pictures, it didn't align perfectly either, nothing will short of a poseball rezzing system or a piece of stand alone furniture.

For on the fly simple couples animations, opencollar IS the good alternative, since its free, it's customisablew with the animations you want, and relatively simple to edit.

However, AVSitter 2 is now opensource, so I'm sure you can go and download the 20-30 odd scripts from the github site as text files, then cut  and paste the text into blank scripts in SL, and save them, then make your own 'no poseball' adjustable positions couples pose bdsm floor mat with cool poses you found at a specialist bdsm pose store.

Shouldn't take you more than a month or so to track everything down, set everything up, edit it all together, and get it working right, then you can sell it in your store...

And before you boast about 'well aligned poses like these' perhaps you should check that the pose in question doesn't have the Dommes foot embedded in your spine upto her instep...


 

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Sorry but you complectly misunderstood me:

1. yes I know, animations on my screens are not ideally aligned, as 99.99% animations in sl (due to different av heights, lame developers etc. etc. etc.), but even this quality may be acceptable for me. Hugging air - no way. Every person has own red line. Mine is simple: I don' see, it means it never happened. When my sub hugs air in front of me I don't feel she hugs me. And I am not going to imagine that and substitute terrible view with my fantasies. 

2. the whole point for opening this topic was to find good system, able to properly align (no 2 meters away and 156 degrees in different directions, but properly align - witchin cms at least) animations. I wanted to ask more experienced players their opinion - does such collar exist or not.

3. I never asked explanation why opencollar is such great and why it's developers can not do something... And please - I have seen a hud without any poseballs and with well aligned animations in action. Unfortunately it is for stalkers - not my profile. So it is possible to make such collar with such animations and if they do not exist there are only two possible explanations either developers are lammers, or they are too lazy. And one more explanation - still everybody buys their sh***y collars, with sh***y animations. Why should they spend time on it? Easy money!

Sorry, but I'am not going to spend my time on wain debates as well as my money on some lammers made collars. It is my decision and my choice - if you want you may pay for them. I better use some huds whenever possible to rez poseballs or just roleplay. I finished with sh***y opencollar.

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still everybody buys their sh***y collars, with sh***y animations. Why should they spend time on it? Easy money!

OpenCollar is 100% free - all that work is done gratis and without the requirement for any payment.

 

Kitty, you need to calm down and understand two VERY important things before we go on:

1. The Lab have not provided scripters with a way to detect which direction a person is facing with any more than 26° accuracy. If you are pointing North the scripts could return anything from 334° to 26°

2. While the the Lab have given scripters a way to position an avatar in X/Y they did not add a way to force a rotation. So all the hugging systems hack it, they have the sub push the Dom(me) a little and hope that it somewhat aligns things.

Everything is a hack, because the lab were too autistic in their design to let us hug.

Now - having a little knowledge under your belt - that there is no way to detect or force an avatr to point a certain direction all you are left with is to sit on objects.

Cael has their range of project devices, like project cuddle that will do what you want, but your Dom(me) will need to enable RLV themselves, and it will only work in build areas, because it is forcing them to sit.

There are also huds like the follow hud, but again, this is just setting your position, not your rotation.

The ONLY way technologically possible to set a rotation under 26° is to sit.

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Thanks for clarifications Callum. Very bad... so no way to make animations work unless poseballs. :(  Pity.

99% locations restrict building, so you can not use poseballs... and I don't need those animations in my home. The whole idea is to have them while in public. By the way I've seen a plug-in that also uses poseballs (it is for ponygirls) - you can rezz poseballs at your home for example and then teleport different place with building restriction and plug-in will still work. I've tried to do similar thing with femdom plug-in, but it does not work. :(

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I'm not sure you're going to find what you're looking for, especially since you pretty much just called everyone, some of whom have put YEARS into this, who works on such products...;lame and/or lazy. That's not exactly a warm ball of good will towards creators.

If you think something is possible, no matter what...then go make it yourself. Otherwise, if you cannot(like most folks, myself included when it comes to all kinds of different things I can't make myself) , it's probably best not to insult an entire market of creators simply because it doesn't do what you want it to do. Then go for the products that DO work as you want them to. Odds are pretty great you're not going to find exactly what you want, maybe not even "close enough" which isn't due to creators being lazy or lame, but rather *limitations* they have based on the platform's capabilities.

If other products, as you say, you have seen do what you want to do...why aren't you using those products?

OC is pretty darn open, it's kind of the reason it exists, but it requires(in some cases) a working knowledge of how things function, including animations, in sl...which you clearly don't possess(and neither do the vast majority of residents, one wouldn't really expect them to).

You may well have very unrealistic expectations, I'm not quite certain. But even if someone COULD do precisely what you want, or COULD create it...do you really think they would after some of your responses here? Might want to rethink the approach you're taking, if you really are interested in someone creating something closer to your desired outcome. You're not going to sway any votes by being rude to creators ;) 

Without sitting on an object, no couple's posing animation is likely to ever work perfectly, or even close, lol. Even when sitting on objects it can be tricky, as we've all seen. I'm not certain these products you say absolutely exist, because you've seen them, actually do. I sure as heck haven't seen them, and I've seen, and worked with, a heck of a lot in sl, especially in this particular area. 

 

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Ooh, please - I never been rude with anybody and basically what I said was TRUE.  After Callum's clarification it is clear that there is no way to know exactly what way av is looking and no way to turn it properly... Why? Because of LAZY DEVELOPERS! LL this time, not some third party ones, so what? For me, as an end user there is little difference. LL developers do not care about couple animations and they were too lazy to even include damn function that returns exact angle av looks (!!!). Yes, I admit from beginning I was thinking it was because lazy third party developers, now it is clear it is because lazy LL developers... but as I said, for end user it makes little difference.

Another thing - I admit I might had too high expectations from sl... although ability to properly align animations can be hardly called "high expectations" for modern games, but I understand: sl is old and badly developed. Supposedly it was created as another chat program... not surprisingly they never thought about things like couple animations.

And one more thing please - concerning expectations. May be I am silly, but from slave collar in any hypothetical game I would expect not only ability to display some terribly rendered "leash" and allow my sub kneel near me (that I can do without any collars), but also some INTERESTING things - some interesting poses, for example. And now either I can rez poseballs at my home or use terrible animations in public. May be I was expecting too much from very old game , like sl. I know one thing - it makes my gameplay dull and uninteresting.  To be honest I almost totally lost interest to whole BDSM thing IN SL. May be I will rp from time to time, but no more lame collars and no more lame animations.  There still are some interesting things to do in sl - chatting for example, but animations? - no way!

Or may be I will be able to find some good 3d chat with necessary features.

P. S. By the way if anyone knows one - please advise.

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57 minutes ago, KittyCharming said:

P. S. By the way if anyone knows one - please advise.

ehm... make a guess what others do if they read your attitude..... with some bad luck you'll even be banned from places where they sell these products to prevent damage by your ranting skills.

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1 hour ago, KittyCharming said:

it makes my gameplay dull and uninteresting

I am sure it has been said before but for all your complaints about SL being an "old game" and not having what you want in it (not a game btw)  but it does give you every opportunity to create stuff yourself if you think its needed, wanted,  there's a market for it etc etc.  That is what every other creator here has done I would imagine. Started creating because they wanted something for themselves. It might not be exactly what you want, that does not make it rubbish or useless.  The tools are there, try yourself before slamming others.

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2Cindy Evanier

I see you are able only to read fragments of messages aren't you? No way to tell what direction av is looking and no way to turn it in direction you want ... still go and do impossible things. Great.

Thanks for great advice.

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30 minutes ago, KittyCharming said:

2Cindy Evanier

I see you are able only to read fragments of messages aren't you? No way to tell what direction av is looking and no way to turn it in direction you want ... still go and do impossible things. Great.

Thanks for great advice.

I will give you that one.  Some complaints I did skim over but I don't think it was just about the direction of collar poses that you were complaining about. Wanting " some interesting poses " and " lame animations"  You can make or buy animations and poses to suit and add them to a collar or even a hud.  I get you are frustrated but all I was trying to do was suggest there are ways to ease your frustrations.

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I am not frustrated any way. And concerning direction of av looks - it is most important, because without it you can not make anything that would work. Impossible. See the idea? As LL programmed sl such way no developer can do anything. If you want more details, read Callum Meriman's message. 

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