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2 hours ago, Kacie Zapedzki said:

This girl is very annoying.  I am very excited to see a place that isn't all sex oriented.  Builders aren't interested in sex, they are interested in BUILDING!!  Yay!!  And looking for quality friendships, not shallow losers.  I love the switch from SL to Sansar.  I am so sick of seeing billboards with sex everywhere in SL, and word going around that it's all about sex now.  Time to get out of SL!!  Sansar is such a relief!!  Yes, it takes some getting used to and I'm not sure I like not having to be able to rezz stuff in world, but I guess we will get used to it.  I just like to adjust stuff randomly.  I am a texturer and decorator from SL, so Sansar is difficult.  I came for the free land, and also that its totally mesh and ahead in SL in many ways. The avatars are so much easier to dress and fit clothing. I enjoy seeing the ideas people come up with and love how its advancing.  So sick of hearing about sex all the time.  There is a life beyond that.  Geez people.  See you all "Decent" people in Sansar!! Who have brains.

I said Sansar will fail because without sex, there will be no draw for the masses. Every currently successful virtual world today is based on sex. But Sansar will be different? Riiiiight. Maybe people will flock to see your amazing build, I don't know. But when they are done being awed, they will say, so where is the sex? What ? no sex, ok back to Second Life.

Enjoy your solitude in your little mesh paradise you build, the rest of us will be in Second Life having fun.

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6 hours ago, Kacie Zapedzki said:

See what I mean?  Nothing better to do than bash other people in SL.  How long have you been in "SL?  Ive been there 11 years.  I am allowed to give my opinion, which is not judging btw. 

i'm nearly 13 yrs here ..according to your standards i'm overruling you... sex is fine! ( and however i deeply dislike the overactive and visibile outings of this industry on the forums... it's one of the most attracting subject for newbies)

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On 8/19/2017 at 5:24 AM, JoeDex said:

Second Life has allowed a lot of things to take place that have caused many residents to leave the world. I cite, the trolls and griefing for example, the high tiers for another. What lessons should Linden Lab have learned from Second Life so that they are not repeated in SANSAR. What do you feel will sink SANSAR if not avoided in-world.

To not bet the farm on VR in the first place.

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9 hours ago, Phorumities said:

I said Sansar will fail because without sex, there will be no draw for the masses. Every currently successful virtual world today is based on sex.

I do not see sansar need sex to get big, it will happen.

But sansar is more a combination of unity and parts of secondlife. So, builders will make more games in sansar and roleplaying is more realistic, because thing can be grabbed. and look better. The costs are lower.

schols will use it fir projects, things the cannot do in secondlife.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Kacie Zapedzki said:

I am very excited to see a place that isn't all sex oriented.  Builders aren't interested in sex, they are interested in BUILDING!!  Yay!!  And looking for quality friendships, not shallow losers.  I love the switch from SL to Sansar.  I am so sick of seeing billboards with sex everywhere in SL, and word going around that it's all about sex now.  Time to get out of SL!!  Sansar is such a relief!!  Yes, it takes some getting used to and I'm not sure I like not having to be able to rezz stuff in world, but I guess we will get used to it.  I just like to adjust stuff randomly.  I am a texturer and decorator from SL, so Sansar is difficult.  I came for the free land, and also that its totally mesh and ahead in SL in many ways. The avatars are so much easier to dress and fit clothing. I enjoy seeing the ideas people come up with and love how its advancing.  So sick of hearing about sex all the time.  There is a life beyond that.  Geez people.  See you all "Decent" people in Sansar!! Who have brains.

Ever heard of the saying - you attract more bees with honey than vinegar? You will fair much better getting your point across if you stop insulting the same people you are trying to send a message to. I too have to say that I do NOT miss the lack of sexual content in Sansar. To be honest, I'm not much of a fan of it in SL either. I think it has it's place and I'm glad I know where that place is so I can avoid it at times, well most of the time. But to say that builders aren't interested in sex is just putting your head in the sand. That's just crazy. Builders are interested in building/creating all kinds of things, and adult content is a huge portion of that as evidenced by the sheer volume of it in SL.

9 hours ago, Ethan Paslong said:

i'm nearly 13 yrs here ..according to your standards i'm overruling you... sex is fine! ( and however i deeply dislike the overactive and visibile outings of this industry on the forums... it's one of the most attracting subject for newbies)

Here for 15 years .. guess I get to overrule everyone .. well nearly .. lol. I'd be happier in SL if sex wasn't so blatantly thrown in my face all the time, but hey, it's SL. You learn to deal with it. 

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5 hours ago, Richardus Raymaker said:

I do not see sansar need sex to get big, it will happen.

Dream on!

SL was a lucky hit - the right product at the right time... it's success will be almost unrepeatable and if it will be done again I bet it will come from some weird and totally unexpected direction.

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8 hours ago, Richardus Raymaker said:

I do not see sansar need sex to get big, it will happen.

But sansar is more a combination of unity and parts of secondlife. So, builders will make more games in sansar and roleplaying is more realistic, because thing can be grabbed. and look better. The costs are lower.

schols will use it fir projects, things the cannot do in secondlife.

 

 

wow things can be grabbed in sansar? just think how much better the sex could be than in second life ?

so now im waiting for the sansar sexual roleplay 

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12 hours ago, Richardus Raymaker said:

schols will use it fir projects, things the cannot do in secondlife.

This is one of the funniest "Clueless Pro-Vomit-cam" garbage statements I've seen from you to date.

Most schools that HAVE an ICT dept., are almost invariably on a tight budget, and simply cannot afford, the kind of hardware needed to allow an entire class to access Project Stupid.

They certainly lack the budget and personnel to create their own Experiences in any meaningful degree. Most schools do NOT employ a full time professional 3D modeler/texture artist.

Spending vast amounts of money they can ill afford so 30 bored teens can stand looking at a poorly rendered scene with dreadful lighting effects, made up of low quality amateur meshes, with piss poor textures, is going to be an even harder sell than convincing SL residents to migrate to the over hyped, under developed, lame duck, white elephant, money pit, that is Project Stupid.

At this point, the only thing that could possibly save Project Stupid is the one thing they won't allow and have probably left too late anyway...

No Sex, No Sale...




 

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Just think, with a few motion trackers strapped to arms, legs, knees... one could completely puppet one's avatar in some quite creative sexual trysts.

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But it would need much better avatars to work as a hugely popular sex simulator. I doubt anyone would want to bone Mr Green as he currently looks.

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Schools do not need to have IT departments creating the spaces for such classes. There are educational companies creating VR science labs already. Schools can buy access to use those labs. It's true that students will have to have access to VR headsets to utilize those labs, but I doubt that will be an issue. Have a look at how many students carry very expensive smart phones to school. I really think you are thinking way too small. Stop limiting your imagination and start embracing the future. 

I don't know if Linden Lab's Sansar will make the cut, but I have absolutely no doubt that VR will come into maturity and become as common as cellphones are today. I came from a time when rotary phones were all we had, heck getting a princess phone was a novelty. I couldn't imagine walking around with a phone in my pocket back then just as you can't see people readily adopting VR now.

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55 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

I couldn't imagine walking around with a phone in my pocket back then just as you can't see people readily adopting VR now.

Wrong... I don't see VR succeeding for the same reason Steam Powered Cars didn't succeed, by the time the things were being touted as "the future", some inconsiderate SoB had invented this thing called the internal combustion engine and built a car based around it.

Ever hear of Mercedes Benz ?

VR, like Steam Cars is a dead end, bypassed technology. Oh it will linger in a few specialist areas where it's potentially useful, keyhole surgery maybe. But Augmented Reality will urinate all over it for recreational uses in the foreseeable future.

Back then, in the days when rotary phones still existed, I could imagine carrying a portable phone, but I( knew enough tech to know that it wasn't going to become common place until they had made some fairly extreme advances in power consumption, and battery technology.

First "mobile phone I ever used was a standard dial-phone style handset resting in a cradle on top of a battery/transceiver pack the size of two house bricks stacked one on top of the other, and it weight a crapton, because the battery was lead/acid.

If some non tech had tried telling me that phones exactly like that were "the future" I'd have laughed at their foolishness too, and been proved right.

Current VR, as seen in Lo Fidelity and Project Stupid, is a dead end, dead duck... Deal with it. Or join the people with Steam Powered Cars, Wax Cylinder Phonographs, and all the other bypassed dead end tech.
 

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5 hours ago, Klytyna said:

Wrong... I don't see VR succeeding for the same reason Steam Powered Cars didn't succeed, by the time the things were being touted as "the future", some inconsiderate SoB had invented this thing called the internal combustion engine and built a car based around it.

Ever hear of Mercedes Benz ?

VR, like Steam Cars is a dead end, bypassed technology. Oh it will linger in a few specialist areas where it's potentially useful, keyhole surgery maybe. But Augmented Reality will urinate all over it for recreational uses in the foreseeable future.

Back then, in the days when rotary phones still existed, I could imagine carrying a portable phone, but I( knew enough tech to know that it wasn't going to become common place until they had made some fairly extreme advances in power consumption, and battery technology.

First "mobile phone I ever used was a standard dial-phone style handset resting in a cradle on top of a battery/transceiver pack the size of two house bricks stacked one on top of the other, and it weight a crapton, because the battery was lead/acid.

If some non tech had tried telling me that phones exactly like that were "the future" I'd have laughed at their foolishness too, and been proved right.

Current VR, as seen in Lo Fidelity and Project Stupid, is a dead end, dead duck... Deal with it. Or join the people with Steam Powered Cars, Wax Cylinder Phonographs, and all the other bypassed dead end tech.
 

I think the message we can take from each example is...despite the hype...the more convenient technology with the cheapest cost & obvious benefits always outlasts.

Anything that has to have multiple excuses made for it or lengthy arguments & evidence citing tends to not go the distance.

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As I said earlier, 

 

14 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

I don't know if Linden Lab's Sansar will make the cut, but I have absolutely no doubt that VR will come into maturity and become as common as cellphones are today.

I opened my FB this morning to this.

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You can keep your head in the sand just like all those others who complained that slicing bread beforehand would dry out the bread and no one will buy it when sliced bread was first introduced. I don't know what VR will look like in its maturity, but it will be here. I don't know what the best use for it will be either, but it will be here. I may not live long enough to see it, but it will be here. It's just a matter of time.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

You can keep your head in the sand just like all those others who complained that slicing bread beforehand would dry out the bread and no one will buy it when sliced bread was first introduced. I don't know what VR will look like in its maturity, but it will be here. I don't know what the best use for it will be either, but it will be here. I may not live long enough to see it, but it will be here. It's just a matter of time.

So true, Blush.

VR is just a deepening of what's already here.

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5 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

I opened my FB this morning to this.

I don't use Arsebook... So obviously I didn't receive the item about the use of VR in surgery...

And yet...

If you pull your head out of your bottom and check my posting history, you will find that i said, on a previous occasion, that VR will find uses in specialised areas, such as... "keyhole surgery".

Not once, but twice...

So...

YOU think you are clued into "futureness" because "Vomit-Cam"

But it's me who correctly predicts what it ACTUALLY gets used for?


 



 

5 hours ago, Blush Bravin said:

You can keep your head in the sand just like all those others who complained that

Seems you "futureness propaganda" types are not as "futureness" as you think you are, no matter how hard you promote your steam powered cars and wax cylinder phonographs...

:D 
 

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The more accurate analogy is "Breadmakers Kit" than actual sliced bread.

One you have to go to a lot of effort to enjoy but it allows for far greater immersion and an incredible degree of control...the other just comes in a bag and you enjoy it immediately with no other equipment or preparation.

In the end we're both just eating sandwiches....and most consumers want whats cheapest & easiest.

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Hello,

Sansar is technically very promising, but when I read the new fees system, I don't even know how handle Sansar as designer. So, what else now, I guess nothing. We can only observe and see if it is yet interesting to spend time for Sansar.

I guess fees level will be really dissuasive to welcome true new designers. And Sansar business model is based on sale fees, it is the main risk I am seeing for Sansar.

It was so easy to take a classical percent fees as 20% or even 30%, and no more.

Best regards, Motoko Oanomochi.

 

 

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On 10/28/2018 at 7:45 PM, Klytyna said:

But Augmented Reality will urinate all over it for recreational uses in the foreseeable future.

AR is a completely different thing than VR, they do not compete at all, because they literally cant, being polar opposites, its either one or the other. Do you want to play with reality? or something else entirely?  Both have their place, but AR will always be outpaced by real tangible objects.  Why AR a hot model when your Real Doll has AI and can do all the things, in a real physical way, or how about the actual real thing? lol.  Why wear some silly head gear to control your house lighting, or a game with friends, when the things can just intuitively appear and be interactive?  AR people are going about their industry ass-backwards IMO, nobody wants to wear gear for AR...

VR on the other hand can transport you to another universe, completely, and that immersion will only continue to deepen.  And itself can even utilize some real world physical location in its design, thus "augmenting reality" while still fully visually immersed.   I saw a preview of a multiplayer FPS shooter in a 4,000sqft VR arena with physical objects matching the VR experience.  Very cool stuff!

Basically my point is people hype AR in ways that really only fit the context of VR, I dont see AR in the same way others seem to I guess.  IMHO the AR industry will not fully take off until it turns that ass around and goes the other direction where the actual profits and awesome things people want to enhance reality with are.

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Sansar just needs 5 big mainland continents. And because of the experience problem, all five of them need to be put into just one experience.

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9 minutes ago, Thonar Signals said:

Sansar just needs 5 big mainland continents. And because of the experience problem, all five of them need to be put into just one experience.

So you want Sansar to reinvent SL?  LOL. That ain't gonna happen :D.   

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On 12/2/2018 at 11:18 PM, Chic Aeon said:

So you want Sansar to reinvent SL?  LOL. That ain't gonna happen :D.   

Ahh don't forget they said eventually you could recreate SL in Sansar...circa 2142 release date pending approval of the grand linden big wigs

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it has been known for vr headsets to cause, epilepsy, motion sickeness, problems with eyes, headaches, classic migraine, which is not just a headache, as people think but, other things associated with the brain and neurology, etc, but some are ok with using it, on a whole, it will only fail if they dont get enough users, i was going to try it, would not install, on a amd dual core processor, but will with amd phenom  all these issues could have a bearing, on if people will use it or not, the other thing is if they will offer the option of adult rp with it , i know there are a lot  of people who solely use sl just for the adult rp aspect of it 

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im thinkin the main reason it will fail is cuz u cant change yr email addy there or make several accounts using the same email addy that is the numba 1 reason it will fail instantly

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On 10/28/2018 at 5:37 PM, Callum Meriman said:

Just think, with a few motion trackers strapped to arms, legs, knees... one could completely puppet one's avatar in some quite creative sexual trysts.

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But it would need much better avatars to work as a hugely popular sex simulator. I doubt anyone would want to bone Mr Green as he currently looks.

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dude that avatar looks like a real human being  im serious

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On 1/6/2019 at 8:23 AM, Quinn Lysette said:

dude that avatar looks like a real human being  im serious

No wonder you don't pick up many girls.

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