Why are clothing creators doing this?

[MMB Jameson]

My issue is I am having a hard time finding non applier mesh lingerie in the styles I am looking for. I am a dancer in SL and I want to find RL looking lingerie that doesn't look like a bikini labeled as lingerie. 90% of lingerie in the style I am looking for is applier lingerie and there are plenty of the styles I want that are for using appliers but I am picky with my clothing and just don't like the lower quality that applier lingerie has compared to mesh lingerie, also the clubs I work for frown on using applier clothing also and prefer mesh clothing. I have found a couple of stores that have exactly what I am looking for but the issue is when I purchased demos from these stores and tried them on, the clothing all attaches at once. There is no separate items for bra, panties and corset so you just click and all of the pieces of clothing are in 1 attachment. That won't work. First, if I get tipped to go topless then I can't just remove my top, my whole outfit will come off at once. This is a very unrealistic way to add and remove clothing. Even for non dancers this seems like it can be a big issue. Who wants to have special time with your SO in SL only to have all of your sexy lingerie be unrealistically removed at once instead of slowly 1 piece at a time? So why are creators making clothing this way?

Edited June 15, 2017 by MMB Jameson

[MMB Jameson]

If I am missing something completely obvious then please inform me. I am still new to all the changes in SL that happened on my 3-4 year break so if I am in the wrong on anything or if something is going completely over my head then my apologies.

[Talligurl]

IDK why I am frustrated by the same things, I can only assume it is easier to make everything all in one piece, but I wont buy it, not just lingerie, but other outfits come that way, what if I want to wear the top with a different bottom? I dance as well and usually stick to sexy crop tops, bikni bottoms and tiny skirts, you can create your own outfits from individual pieces and get around this issue.

 

[Theresa Tennyson]

4 hours ago, MMB Jameson said:

If I am missing something completely obvious then please inform me. I am still new to all the changes in SL that happened on my 3-4 year break so if I am in the wrong on anything or if something is going completely over my head then my apologies.

Some makers of lingerie will link the pieces together in the demo, but the actual purchased product has the pieces separate. Often they'll explain this in a notecard. I've bought a few lingerie sets like this.

[Syo Emerald]

I've seen quite a few sets of lingerie, that are all seperate pieces. And I haven't experianced this as an issue myself.

[Clover Jinx]

Like Theresa said, chances are the demo is just linked. If there is no info in the demo, send a notecard to the creator asking if the pieces are indeed separate

[Rhonda Huntress]

8 hours ago, MMB Jameson said:

So why are creators making clothing this way?

Because there is a limited number of attachments one can wear..  Number of attachments is yet another resource that needs to be managed.  There is seldom one best way to do anything for all customers so like anything else, you have to judge the trade off and decide on which way you want to go..

[MMB Jameson]

Ok well the one store that had lingerie I really liked was my fault. I did an oopsie and didn't see the extra notecard in the demo folder about the demo attachment so I found it and it solved that problem, I jsut bought the outfit I wanted  Other stores I have noticed that do this aren't just demos but I got lucky that it was jsut for the demo with the main store I wanted to buy from

 

[MMB Jameson]

44 minutes ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

Because there is a limited number of attachments one can wear..  Number of attachments is yet another resource that needs to be managed.  There is seldom one best way to do anything for all customers so like anything else, you have to judge the trade off and decide on which way you want to go..

This makes sense. Understandable why they do that. I guess the main thing I wanted to know is why some clothing makers have 1 single attachment because I wasn't understanding but this answers it.

[Pussycat Catnap]

1 hour ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

Because there is a limited number of attachments one can wear..

Yes but that limited number is kinda high. Like 30 or 40 or maybe more I think.

I've only ever hit it when doing that old accident of right clicking and trying to wear my entire inventory...

I've never hit it on an actual composed outfit.

And I think I burn through the first 8-12 attachments just with my body and neko parts...

That said, about 5 years or more ago, the limit was a LOT lower than it is now.

 

Edited June 15, 2017 by Pussycat Catnap

[Klytyna]

3 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Yes but that limited number is kinda high. Like 30 or 40 or maybe more I think.

38... And it can be easy to burn through them...

Mesh Body, hands, feet, control hud for same, 2 eyes, hair, AO Hud, an RLV lock hud to stop the body getting stripped, rlv Collar, boots, gloves, bikini top, bikini bottom, 8 cuffs, gag, ears and/or tail and/or wings, depending on species, etc., so that's what, 26? And that'sd with no jewelery or false nails, or eyelashes etc., which many people wear.

Then some dam,n fool tells you to use the FS client side AO, despite a) that being a pain to use with a collar and b) you not using FS, then somebody tells you you don't need the alpha hud for the body, despite the fact that its the only way to toggle on/off any clothing layers or to un alpha said body when your collars used to strip boots or gloves or clothing.

And that is just for humanoid female avatars, guys can add their prim dangle and it's hud, and furries have their own additional problems.
 

[Jade Nova]

Assuming you're using a mesh body, if you wear the Maitreya body, Erratic has some really cute mesh lingerie exclusively for Maitreya. It comes in separates, but it can get expensive since most of them are sold separately as well as being separate attachments.

I get what you mean about applier lingerie not being as nice. I agree, but it's also a lot easier to make than mesh lingerie. If someone doesn't know how to create mesh, rig it to each popular mesh body, AND texture it, it's not gonna happen unless they buy a premade mesh kit, and there are next to none for lingerie on the marketplace that are either reasonably priced or that don't fit like *****. Appliers can use the Omega system where they're compatible with any mesh body you want. Not that I prefer appliers, but that's the reasoning.

[HarrisonMcKenzie]

On 6/16/2017 at 5:37 AM, Klytyna said:

38... And it can be easy to burn through them...

Mesh Body, hands, feet, control hud for same, 2 eyes, hair, AO Hud, an RLV lock hud to stop the body getting stripped, rlv Collar, boots, gloves, bikini top, bikini bottom, 8 cuffs, gag, ears and/or tail and/or wings, depending on species, etc., so that's what, 26? And that'sd with no jewelery or false nails, or eyelashes etc., which many people wear.

Then some dam,n fool tells you to use the FS client side AO, despite a) that being a pain to use with a collar and b) you not using FS, then somebody tells you you don't need the alpha hud for the body, despite the fact that its the only way to toggle on/off any clothing layers or to un alpha said body when your collars used to strip boots or gloves or clothing.

And that is just for humanoid female avatars, guys can add their prim dangle and it's hud, and furries have their own additional problems.
 

That sounds like a wildly inefficient use of resources. Can you honestly tell me that you are wearing 8 cuffs and a collar and a gag and everything else at the same time? You can take off the extra huds that aren't in use, and you can unpack your AOs and use a viewer built in AO. And I may be wrong, but I understand that you can limit what can be removed via RLV without needing a hud. Right there, that's 4 or 5 attachments and you haven't changed how the avatar looks.

And yes, I read the rest of your message. Those are called excuses, and you're clinging to them because you don't understand how things work.

[Klytyna]

1 hour ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

That sounds like a wildly inefficient use of resources. Can you honestly tell me that you are wearing 8 cuffs and a collar and a gag and everything else at the same time?

Yeah 8 cuffs, two wrists, two elbows, two thighs, two ankles, its what we call 'a set', and yes there's a collar too, and a gag, bondage gear works like that, you don't get "Hi I'd like to tie up your left hand, just the left one thanks".

1 hour ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

You can take off the extra huds that aren't in use

3 Huds, all in use, AO, rlv lock for mesh body, mesh body hud, read the post I made...

"somebody tells you you don't need the alpha hud for the body, despite the fact that its the only way to toggle on/off any clothing layers or to un alpha said body when your collars used to strip boots or gloves or clothing."

And then you said...

1 hour ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

you can unpack your AOs and use a viewer built in AO

Even though I specifically mentioned...

"Then some damn fool tells you to use the FS client side AO, despite a) that being a pain to use with a collar and b) you not using FS"

Then there was this little gem... After using RLV/RLVa for over 5 years I always enjoy hearing how RLV works from vanillas who never use it...

1 hour ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

I understand that you can limit what can be removed via RLV

See, if I don't use a 1 prim 1 script mini hud to lock a hidden folder, so my mesh body hands and feet, and of course the alpha, cannot come off, then any knuckle dragging idiot who clicks a strip all button on some ancient 'pre attachents' rlv toy, will happily remove some or all components of my body. Wannabe "Masters" are well known for this kind of thing, as are ancient dungeon traps made back when everyone wore system clothing and a flexi hair.

1 hour ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

And yes, I read the rest of your message. Those are called excuses, and you're clinging to them because you don't understand how things work.

These are not excuses, they are simply whats needed to function properly in situations you simply don't understand, and on YOUR assumption that EVERYONE uses the same buggy bloated viewer that YOU do, with a client side AO, and Area Search, and an automatic tool to remove horses from Boy Scouts, and a built in bottle opener for your digital beer, complete with an automatic inserter for the virtual lime wedge..

Oh trust me *I* understand how things work very very well, especially my RLV gear, and the strip-fails in old crap on the grid, and the appaling levels of ignorance about RLV amongst those who have never used an RLV viewer with it enabled, let alone worn any RLV gear..
 

[HarrisonMcKenzie]

23 hours ago, Klytyna said:

Cluck cluck cluck I'm a special snowflake.
 

What annoys me is RLV users who clearly ignore practicality and how SL works, keep pressing their kink on other people, talking down to people who aren't into BTK.

If you or someone just wants to tie up the left hand, and answer is clear - attach a cuff to the left hand when the need arises. Running around as as Swiss army bondage knife like this is going to use up all of your already too many attachment points and skyrocketing your avatar complexity, and you're the only one to blame for insisting in such a ridiculous course of action.

[Klytyna]

4 hours ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

What annoys me is RLV users who clearly ignore practicality and how SL works, keep pressing their kink on other people, talking down to people who aren't into BTK..

Actually, we tend to be MORE aware of practicalities than say, special snowflakes in low rez, all-in-one mesh kid avis.

I don't "press my kink" onto other people by going to oh for example, SL14B in full bondage mode, with all the gear.

I guess that makes me different to those who 'press their kink' on others by insisting they have a right to visit adult rated regions dressed as 8 year olds...

4 hours ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

If you or someone just wants to tie up the left hand, and answer is clear - attach a cuff to the left hand when the need arises

I'd respect that piece of weapons grade stupidity more if I thought for even a second that you had ANY idea how scripted gear actually works.

For example, to keep script counts and script based lag down, most decent cuff sets do NOT have a full set of scripts and poses in every cuff, but have one part of the set set up as the engine that drive it all, and the rest slaved to that with a single script each, so 'just adding the left cuff as and when' wouldn't actually work.

4 hours ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

Running around as as Swiss army bondage knife like this is going to use up all of your already too many attachment points

I assume by too many you mean 'more than is needed to dress up as an 8 year old' and i'll choose to believe differently, thanks.

4 hours ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

and skyrocketing your avatar complexity

You have no idea what my 'complexity score' is, in a mesh body, with a full cuff set and the gag and collar, and boots, gloves, and oh a body harness, my complexity usially comes in less than about 30% of the blinged up plank stradling trout pouted bento head wearing high fashion victim avis that swagger about in public places, and I generally only wear all that in private or semi private places, amongst friends.

I can also usually count on being lower in complexity even when bondaged up, than for example 50% of the anime roleplay cyber-creature avis, who don't use RLV at all.

4 hours ago, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

and you're the only one to blame for insisting in such a ridiculous course of action.

Wouldn't dream of blaming anyone else for what I do, but unlike you... 

I don't insist people use features that are only found in ONE brand of viewer that you happen to use.

I don't insist that people all use the same rather specialised type of avatar that you do.

I don't assume that everyone does whatever they do for fun in private or amongst like minded friends in public and very busy places, the way you do.

Let's recap on your previous example of gratuitous ignorance and arrogance.

On 17 June 2017 at 11:21 PM, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

because you don't understand how things work.

You don't understand that YOUR choices are not the only choices in SL, you don't understand that the way you enact YOUR fetish is not how everyone else acts, you don't understand how the gear you are issuing instructions for using, actually works very differently from YOUR misconceptions.

You talk about only wearing items when in use, I DO only wear them when in use, thats the point of using RLVa and a collar, people with permission to use my gear can use my collar to add what they want to use, a gag, a blindfold, a set of cuffs, whatever, when needed. 

They can also use RLV to remove my ability to access inventory, so I can't just add a hud for 5 seconds and take it off, because they have prevented me seeing my inventory at all, or from adding or removng attachments, or whatever, so some items have to be there all the time, the ao, the body control hud, the rlv lock for the essentials.

Body, hands, feet, 2 eyes, alpha, 3 huds... Eight attachments. Nine if you count hair but that's not locked because they can change my hair via the collar which makes 10 attachments. But apparently according to you 10 is way way too many, all I need is 1 kreepy kid all-in-one mesh, 1 pair kreepy kid sneakers, 1 pair kreepy kid pants, 1 kreepy kid t-shirt and 1 kreepy kid hair, and to change to the kreepy kid approved viewer in which to wear my FIVE officially approved kreepy kid attachments.

I don't talk down to you because you are not into MY kink, but I don't accept ridiculous instructions from people too damn ignorant and too damn arrogant to realise that we don't all dress up as low rez walking ToS violations, and insist that because they look like 8 year olds that they have special snowflake entitlement to walk into Adult areas and threaten other peoples fun.

What annoys me is Kreepy Kid Paedo-Bait Walking ToS Violations who clearly ignore reality and how SL works, pressing their kink on other people, talking down to people who aren't into ToS violating kid based illegal activity...

Doubtless you will also complain that a professional stripper shouldn't wear an inefficient Lingerie 'Swiss Army Knife' set for her stage act instead of an all-in-one item that only uses 1 attachment, and complain that shes 'pressing her kink' on other people who go to the strip club.  



 

Edited June 19, 2017 by Klytyna
Back on topic...

[Rhonda Huntress]

It is not hard to reach the limit on attachments.  Here is a set up my shape-shifting neko alt might have on ...

1. AO
2. Ear animation/position HUD
3. Tail HUD
4. Hair
5. Mesh head
6. Teeth
7. Tongue
8. Head HUD / face animator
9. Left eye
10. Right Eye
11. Left eye lashes
12. Right eye lashes
13. Whiskers
14. Left Ear
15. Right Ear
16. Necklace
17. Kitty collar
18. Ear ring 1
19. Ear ring 2
20. Lip ring
21. Mesh body
22. Left hand
23. Right hand
24. Left bracelet
25. Right bangles
26. Left nails
27. Right nails
28. Mesh shirt
29. Mesh undies
30. Mesh skirt
31. Back pack
32. Thigh belts with a knife and a cute charm
33. Garter on other leg
34. Tail
35. Left foot
36. Right foot
37. Left ankle bracelet
38. Left shoe
39. Right shoe .. or maybe not since I am out of attachment points. I could still use an ankle position lock , tail HUD, specialty poser/animation/dance HUD, bra or jacket (depending on the top being worn), more body piercings or maybe finger and toe rings too.

 

Sure, there are some better versions for some of these but really, not everyone makes eyes as one rigged item, for example.  Shoes can be combined but you don't get he cool mismatched shoe look if you do.  You can also get a tee-shirt, skirt and panties as one single item to save a couple more spots ....

Wait .. didn't something like this come up before?  I swear I saw a thread earlier asking why multiple pieces are combined into one item ...

 

[Love Zhaoying]

16 minutes ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

It is not hard to reach the limit on attachments.  Here is a set up my shape-shifting neko alt might have on ...

My lordy, it must take you hours to get dressed!

[Klytyna]

5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

My lordy, it must take you hours to get dressed!

It's a girl thing... We're not like guys...

"Okey, canoe-feet sneakers, check, baggy low crotch jeans check, sweat-shirt check, used-janitor-mop hair check,  Turbo-Thrust CrotchMaster 9000 Mama Alpa & Xcite compatible hud controled bento boy dangle with realistic squirty action check!,

I'm dressed, save this as my Non-nude outfit and I'm good, Hmm should I buy a second sweat shirt, it has been 3 years since i last went clothes shopping  "
 

[Love Zhaoying]

14 hours ago, Klytyna said:

It's a girl thing... We're not like guys...

"Okey, canoe-feet sneakers, check, baggy low crotch jeans check, sweat-shirt check, used-janitor-mop hair check,  Turbo-Thrust CrotchMaster 9000 Mama Alpa & Xcite compatible hud controled bento boy dangle with realistic squirty action check!,

I'm dressed, save this as my Non-nude outfit and I'm good, Hmm should I buy a second sweat shirt, it has been 3 years since i last went clothes shopping  "

Hmm, us fur types (I'm a neko) DO tend to wear less clothing.

[Rhonda Huntress]

20 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

My lordy, it must take you hours to get dressed!

Yes it does, but something like that would be in an outfit I just click and go.  The real life human me is the one that takes forever to get dressed.

What to wear, what to wear ... how about a jacket.
Look through the jacket folder, open ever sub folder and try a few on only to replace with the next one that I like ... finally settle on a brown leather bomber.
Need a shirt to go with it.  Put on appliers, take off appliers, sort through shirts, tanks, tees, find a shirt and add it.
Look for pants.  Capries?  How'd this get in here?  Find pants that look good with jacket but not the shirt.
Go back to tops.  Dig around and settle on an applier tank.
Boots or shoes? .Oh god ... so many choices.  Why do I always end with shoes?  I should start looking for the footwear I want and build up but I never do ...
If I am wearing a leather jacket I need boots.  But none of these boots fit right over mesh pants!  Go back to pants, dig around through appliers

...

(an hour later I am wearing a dress and looking for hair that doesn't cover up the ear rings I like.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

4 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

Yes it does, but something like that would be in an outfit I just click and go. 

I assumed, there was a hint of playful sarcasm in my statement.

[Bobbie Faulds]

For lingerie check Blueberry and Etchaflesh.

As for applier lingerie, try it. It doesn't look on the mesh bodies like it does on the default. The default body has lower texture resolution than the mesh bodies do. Mesh bodies have 4 times the resolution the default has. Think of the difference in a picture taken on a 4 megapixel camera versus a 16 megapixel camera. So applier clothing made with newer textures will have a better look on a mesh body than the default, depending on the creator. For applier lingerie, check out Blacklace and F*n Hot. There are lists of designers on the Mesh Body Addicts and the Omega web sites

[Love Zhaoying]

On 6/21/2017 at 7:00 AM, Bobbie Faulds said:

For lingerie check Blueberry and Etchaflesh.

The classy types say "law-chair-ay", but I still says "linger-ee" sometimes.

[Rhonda Huntress]

It's Canadian so it is pronounced Lawn-jer, eh.