Where have all the pale skin Vampires gone?

[Asadora Summers]

 

I remember the days when 'real' SL Vampires ruled the grid. Some days it was logging on to a wall to wall white to pale skin tones - no gimmicks, no pyramid scheme. And the only clans involved were solid true RP ones that reflected a sense of morality and original style. There was more loyalty back then too. When someone said something, they actually meant it. No soul count involved, no huds, no taken advantage of noobs just to get their 'soul'. Just people coming together with the same like mind of enjoying the people -behind- the monitor. A kinship of acceptance. It was a beginning for us all. People helping each other with an act of patience, without expecting something in return.

Maybe it was because the two grids were split up back then: The main grid and the teen grid, which closed in 2010. I'll say nothing more on that particular misfortune. 
Maybe it was because back then there was more a sense of community and people regarded SL as a virtual world and not a 'game'.
Maybe it was because people weren't so jaded, but excited and laughed with each other instead of at each other, especially with the favorite shoe in crotch upon a TP or the six hour long update Wednesdays or the Ruth-parties. 
I've been on SL for 11 years. A lot has changed virtually and in reality. I always thought there would be some form of consistency virtually, but no. It changes as quickly as and drastically as IRL.
Emotions and feelings can not tell the difference between the virtual and reality; only our minds can. And regarding that, I greatly fear that more and more people will use that to really turn SL into a 'game', a game that reaches out and disheartens those that wish it was like the old days. A game to reach through the monitor to toy with the emotions and feelings of others on the other side of the monitor.

Where have all the pale skin Vampires gone?
Yes, the grid has come along way since the days of system skirts with glitch pants, sculpty skirts and flexi wings. Skins of today are more advanced and detail that's true, but it is still possible to create the look of the past with upgraded features, but yet, why is this  not done? Why has pale skin been traded for tan when it comes to Vampires? SL graphics have improved greatly with windlight settings, internal graphic settings, there is no need to  fear  being blinded by an avatar with paler, white skin. Even the days of the face lights are gone.

As SL has grown through the years, so have it's residents. It is amazing as to what people can create and it is amazing as to what people will buy in order to create their virtual selves, which is good and I'm not judging. I just want to remind those out there that just because the past is not the present, does not mean that it's forbidden to try to recapture the past. 

Where have all the pale skin Vampires gone?

I have spent a lot of time, looking at Vampire groups in group search. Profiling the founders and seeing that they are not active in SL. Even how the old Vampire groups were worded in their description it is easy to see that there was truly a more fluent want of connection; a sincere one with no agenda.
The Vampire related groups of today that are current are those that promise 'We will treat you like family. Be one of us. Join us. We want you to be apart of us. All is welcome.' However, once one falls victim to those false promises, they are left with no sense of family and the likelihood of attaining that in SL these days is more than just slim, it's a lost hope.  I don't think it's fair nor right for a person who wants a SL family, that uses SL as an outlet to attain external friendships/connections, that they should pay with lindens or pay by joining a hud system that only serves the small minority, those that have the most soul counts within that 'family.' And let's face it, once they have what they want, whatever you may need, even if it is just to chat, you are forgotten. 

Many will say that 'it's just a game' or 'you take it too seriously.' Well, no. It is not 'just' a game. And perhaps those that say such should consider that they do not take it seriously enough. 
 

Where have all the pale skin Vampires gone? Please, please return... those that miss and love you need you now.

Kind Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Phil Deakins]

I think they had a meeting and decided en-masse that they want to be human and no longer drink blood, so they went tea-total. They are total tea drinkers now.

[Asadora Summers]

awesome.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Asadora Summers

[Alwin Alcott]

only in MP the search "pale skin " gives 7500 results, assuming all sellers use good titles and keywords there should be some matches.

Problem is the market... no sales, no creations. And 2006 pale isnt the 2017 pale, modern vampires can be in the sun, so they tan a bit more

 

Memorizing the old days ... yes such difference now, but gone is gone, and it's proven we are very selective in remembering things... not all was as great as writting/remembered.

 

[Asadora Summers]

We all have selective memories, and nothing is ever perfect, as perfection doesn't exist; however, that shouldn't prevent those from trying to resurrect the familiar.  

As I had stated previously, skins are more detailed and advanced than they were, including the paler tones... I'm not saying 'Oh yeah go and get a 2006 skin.' No. So, I think you've missed the point. 

Thanks for reading!

Edited May 5, 2017 by Asadora Summers

[Klytyna]

1 hour ago, Asadora Summers said:

We all have selective memories, and nothing is ever perfect, as perfection doesn't exist; however, that shouldn't prevent those from trying to resurrect the familiar.

As I had stated previously, skins are more detailed and advanced than they were, including the paler tones... I'm not saying 'Oh yeah go and get a 2006 skin.' No. So, I think you've missed the point.

Thanks for reading!

I'm not a suckhead, and never have been, but I recently bought a pack of 2015 skins in 'vamp pale' and i mean real vamp pale, not just very pale pink, great for a goth look and the fatpack was only 100 ls, part of a 'product line retirement sale'.

Reason you don't see pale skinned vamps now?

1. Wear a pale skin, and leave safe respectable Adult rated Kink sims and go to one of those awful G/M rated vanilla places, and you get spammed with bite requests because your goth avi is 'obviously looking to become a clan blood doll", assuming you buy into that, you end up spending cash on a spamlines suckhead rp hud as part of the pyramid scheme, and then buying 'apples' to replace all the health you lose being lunch for the suckheads, so theres no cash left for many to go out and drop several hundred on a vamp pale skin.

2. Sparkle Vamps (tm) who have california tans like all the rest of the beverly hills crowd the actors hang out with, actors who can't be bothered with pale makeup every day on set, so they just tan and sparkle in the sun, and for a lot of people in SL, those ARE the only vamps they really know well.

3. Pale skinned folks get called as 'suckheads' where ever they go, "why are you wearing a vamp avi? are you gonna spam bite me", and people might not want the extra and often unpleasant attention, suckheads don't have a good rep in SL these days.

 

There ARE still ghostly pale vamps in SL, I've seen one whos skeletal thin, 8 ft tall, a wide wide thin-lipped mouth full of fangs and pointed ears, very 1922 Nosferatu, she even dresses in an edwardian frock coat and wing collar shirt. They just are no longer 'fashionable' with the current suckhead crowd in general.
 

[Amanda Crisp]

Unfortunately, Pop Culture seems define "what is a vampire" in SL; not Bram Stoker. Klytyna hit it right on the head also when she brought up that Bloodlines and some questionable behaviors were also at fault; Vamps got a bad rep as spammy and those things linger. Probably why you see "No Bloodlines in Premisis" in some clubs ( same as some places discourage Gor - themed RP in a non-theme environment tends to annoy the other patrons )

Personally, I LIKE classic vampires myself.  Old-fashioned sleep-by-day, blood-drinking, pale-as-death, "I hate Stakes" vampires; but I'm the minority it seems.

New-Age vamps sparkle, and seeing a bunch of them can be like being at an old Elton John (sequined/glitter costume) concert from a few decades ago :-)

This is sad, because one of the more erotic SL avatars I've ever encountered was a "classic vampire"; but that was probably also her Player's ability to create and play a good Story.

[Ceka Cianci]

I really miss a lot of the older sims that were around before bloodlines and the thirst..

There were some amazing builds back them..just huge castles and cave nooks and crannies where it looked like the lost boys would be resting..

I remember feeling like I had my guard up waiting for them to wake up when going through some of them..

Some were just massive caves with an entrance to what looked like a feeding and torture room..

Then there was always really good shopping there also..they always had some really nice things..

You couldn't get a vamp to bite you back then even if you asked them to.. you had to go through all kinds of stuff with those families to be accepted..The serious ones anyways..

The clubs they had also and the rp stories they would tell me..Yea it was pretty neat,those places and the players..

Bloodlines and thirst just seemed like first person shooter type vamps compared to the ones I met before they came around....

 

[Amanda Crisp]

1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Bloodlines and thirst just seemed like first person shooter type vamps compared to the ones I met before they came around....

I am SO stealing this comparison :-)

[Phil Deakins]

7 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

You couldn't get a vamp to bite you back then even if you asked them to

That's probably why they died out - starvation

[Annika Velde]

2 hours ago, Klytyna said:

3. Pale skinned folks get called as 'suckheads' where ever they go, "why are you wearing a vamp avi? are you gonna spam bite me", and people might not want the extra and often unpleasant attention, suckheads don't have a good rep in SL these days.

Generally, I wear very pale skins (a very light grey almost) and I can honestly say that I have never been asked if I was going to bite someone or asked why I look the way I do. I wouldn't say that "suckheads" don't have a good rep, they just aren't as prevalent as they once were. People got tired of dealing with them and put up the "NO BITING" signs everywhere to discourage them from harassing their patrons. Those "No Biting" signs have been up since at least 2009 when I started in SL. 

[Asadora Summers]

 

I agree Bloodlines totally killed the 'real' Vampire scene in SL and it's turned any finding of genuine decent vampiristic RP insanely impossible. 

Gauze has some really nice updated (including Omega appliers for mesh bodies and heads) pale, white skin tones. I bought mine when they were on sale three to four years ago. 
So, the thing is... and I'll say again... the skins are out there. Just that due to I suppose, 'it's not vogue' people -choose- not to wear them for fear of 'standing out' or being called a silly stupid name. But yet, they will instead, have big asses, boobs that can knock out satellites and so many particles surrounding their questionable avatars to lag a sim.

Yeah...  it's so bad being a pale white skinned Vampire. 

 

[NymChimpski]

Wildcliff Belgar and Christiangreen Swansong led the 2011 backlash that drove the dirty vampires off SL. 

Great anti-suckhead warriors who'll never be forgotten!

[Chase01]

I assume this isn't necessarily about where to get pale skins but rather what has happened to that community as a whole. I don't think it has anything to do with not wanting to "stand out" in fear of being ridiculed to Asadora's point. I think it has everything to do with RP as it is today, what that community has evolved into and people's general interest in it.

I am not calling you out or anything but maybe it would be more constructive for you to open dialogue with the groups you are apart of ...Finding others with a similar interest in the genre but are not satisfied with the current experience would be a great place to start.

[Syo Emerald]

When was anything of what the OP mentions true? When I joined in 2010, vampires were just those bloodline players and it had nothing to do with proper roleplay. And it didn't seemed like this had just happened to become this way.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Syo Emerald

[Phil Deakins]

7 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:

When was anything of what the OP mentions true? When I joined in 2010, vampires were just those bloodline players and it had nothing to do with proper roleplay. And it didn't seemed like this had just happened to become this way.

I joined in 2006 and wall-to-wall vampires, and vampires ruling the grid, has never been true since then. So I assumed that the OP's previous experience had those things because he logged into, and generally stayed, where those things were - perhaps a sim or three.

[Klytyna]

1 minute ago, Phil Deakins said:

I joined in 2006 and wall-to-wall vampires, and vampires ruling the grid, has never been true since then. So I assumed that the OP's previous experience had those things because he logged into, and generally stayed, where those things were - perhaps a sim or three.

Yeah but Phil... As you so proudly pointed out in other threads, you don't shop etc., you stay at home sorting your rentals and furniture, and what have you.

If you can completely miss the vast amounts of shopping and shoppers in SL, theres no reason to doubt you could miss large amounts of suckheads too.

When I joined SL, 5 years back, there were places where you couldn't walk 5 yards without a bite request, or an IM about you looking goth pale and would you like a hud for vamp rp, or more info on reputable clans etc. Some info hubs, goth clothing stores, fetish clothing stores, clubs...

They were all over the place.

You even saw some really weird variations, like a clockwork powered vampire-werewolf hybrid cyber-dolly, who automatically changed shape/form every sim sunrise and sim sunset, via RLV, seriously...
 

[Phil Deakins]

In my early years, I used to get out and about quite a bit. Since then, I've been to stores sometimes. As well as all that, I've been logged into SL all the hours I've been awake and at home, which is almost all of the time. That's over 10 years. After the early years of getting out and about, I've mostly been in my store, through which lots of avatars came, and I don't remember ever seeing even one vampire there.

I've never seen what has been described. Maybe I just went to places where they weren't, and maybe they didn't come to my store, but I'd be astonished if SL was ever as has been described, except perhaps in certain minority types of places and stores. In short, I just don't believe that SL was ever the way it had been described. I just wasn't. "Wall-to-wall vampires"? and "vampires ruled the world"? SL as a whole has never been like that.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Phil Deakins

[Syo Emerald]

2 hours ago, Klytyna said:

Yeah but Phil... As you so proudly pointed out in other threads, you don't shop etc., you stay at home sorting your rentals and furniture, and what have you.

If you can completely miss the vast amounts of shopping and shoppers in SL, theres no reason to doubt you could miss large amounts of suckheads too.

When I joined SL, 5 years back, there were places where you couldn't walk 5 yards without a bite request, or an IM about you looking goth pale and would you like a hud for vamp rp, or more info on reputable clans etc. Some info hubs, goth clothing stores, fetish clothing stores, clubs...

They were all over the place.

You even saw some really weird variations, like a clockwork powered vampire-werewolf hybrid cyber-dolly, who automatically changed shape/form every sim sunrise and sim sunset, via RLV, seriously...
 

What I noticed was, that the first thing every club had at their entrance was a warning, that they do not tolerate bloodlines/vampires/bite requests. So they must have been pretty noticeable on the grid.

But what I meant was, that they have no idea when the "quality" vampire roleplay that ruled the grid, was taking place. Because the noticable think has always been rather normal looking avatars annoying everyone with their pyramid scheme bloodlines stuff.

[Ceka Cianci]

10 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

In my early years, I used to get out and about quite a bit. Since then, I've been to stores sometimes. As well as all that, I've been logged into SL all the hours I've been awake and at home, which is almost all of the time. That's over 10 years. After the early years of getting out and about, I've mostly been in my store, through which lots of avatars came, and I don't remember ever seeing even one vampire there.

I've never seen what has been described. Maybe I just went to places where they weren't, and maybe they didn't come to my store, but I'd be astonished if SL was ever as has been described, except perhaps in certain minority types of places and stores. In short, I just don't believe that SL was ever the way it had been described. I just wasn't. "Wall-to-wall vampires"? and "vampires ruled the world"? SL as a whole has never been like that.

I noticed them more in the clubs..It seemed like there was always vamps in GOL and  the others I worked at.. That's how I got to go and hang out at like private balls and stuff and hear a lot of their RP going on..

I wouldn't say wall to wall..But there was a good community with lots of shops..Their stores were in all the big malls back then..If you were in any goth places,vamp  stuff was there too it seemed..

Vamps had quite a few popular dance clubs back then also..

Edited May 6, 2017 by Ceka Cianci

[Phil Deakins]

Yes, but that's a whole lot different to the way that SL has been described in this thread, Ceka. They would have been in their specialist places, of course, just as other minorities will be in their specialist places. And, of course, there would some around in other places too, but none of that adds up to "wall-to-wall" and "ruled the grid" - except in their specialist places, which were very few compared to all the non-specialist places. One, or even two, stores in a mall, even in every mall, doesn't add up to anything like what has been described.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Phil Deakins

[Ceka Cianci]

9 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

Yes, but that's a whole lot different to the way that SL has been described in this thread, Ceka. They would have been in their specialist places, of course, just as other minorities will be in their specialist places. And, of course, there would some around in other places too, but none of that adds up to "wall-to-wall" and "ruled the grid" - except in their specialist places, which were very few compared to all the non-specialist places. One, or even two, stores in a mall, even in every mall, doesn't add up to anything like what has been described.

I can't really say anything was wall to wall back then really..I would say they were as popular as any other community was, that was popular really..There was always a vamp or two or more in a crowd it seemed..

But then again,that comes down to where someone spends their time..If you were to hang out with me for a night back then,you would have ran into some vamps..

Not because our club was a vamp club,because it wasn't..it was because vamps are just users also and like to do what any users like to do in SL..We had furries coming in there also and aliens and the occasional new person that caught their freenis in their zipper..hehehehe Just all kinds of different types of groups really..

I was part of GOL for a lot of my SL life before I started taking breaks more and more..From when it opened the first day until probably 2009 or so.. When you have as many people coming through the door as they did every day,and many become regulars..You make a lot of friends..With that comes a lot of branches out into a lot of other communities..

As I said before,I wouldn't say Wall to wall..At the same time,they sure were not invisible.. hehehe

[Phil Deakins]

I didn't suggest that there weren't any vamps around. As you said, they were as popular as any other community. Those communities were just that though - communities - each being just a small fraction of the SL usership. The OP described SL as, "I remember the days when 'real' SL Vampires ruled the grid. Some days it was logging on to a wall to wall white to pale skin tones". I'm saying that that was never true of SL. No doubt the OP had days when he logged in to wall-to-wall white to pale skins. He could have had days when he logged in to wall-to-wall goreans, or wall-to-wall furries. It all depends on where you log into. Logging into popular places for those 'communities' is bound to be like that, but SL as a whole was never like that. At least not since 2006.

[Ceka Cianci]

3 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

I didn't suggest that there weren't any vamps around. As you said, they were as popular as any other community. Those communities were just that though - communities - each being just a small fraction of the SL usership. The OP described SL as, "I remember the days when 'real' SL Vampires ruled the grid. Some days it was logging on to a wall to wall white to pale skin tones". I'm saying that that was never true of SL. No doubt the OP had days when he logged in to wall-to-wall white to pale skins. He could have had days when he logged in to wall-to-wall goreans, or wall-to-wall furries. It all depends on where you log into. Logging into popular places for those 'communities' is bound to be like that, but SL as a whole was never like that. At least not since 2006.

Yea,I understand what you are saying..I'm not really arguing for a side on it..Just saying what I noticed and remember, is all.

I guess I was just saying perspective is subjective.. when I was in the clubs ,everything was about club life and shopping and traffic and meeting all kinds of people and shopping and latest dances and shopping  and fashion..Oh,and did I forget to mention, Shopping?

I was focused on a lot of that and really not paying attention to the whole world..

Certain things had a lot to do with where I would go and where I spent most of my time..

When I stopped being in the clubs so much and started to make things..My attention was more focused on that and Shopping and the places I would go for that..

20 vamps or 20 of whatever group,could have walked passed me and I wouldn't have known it..

There could have been a zombie apocalypse going on at the time..My SL was aimed in a different direction at the time..

Hey Ceka,See any vamps or zombies today?

Ceka:Wha? Not that I recall..k gotta run,in the middle of something i need to finish up,then going shopping.

 

SL is kind of too big of a world to really have any one thing go wall to wall ,I think..Unless, we were to be  talking about shopping..hehehehe

I think it would be hard to find that many people interested in the same things ..

I think back in that time they were saying SL grid was the size of Manhattan, if you were to drop it in the real world..That was before it had it's numbers boom in like 2008 and 2009,if I remember right..

Well I have some shopping to do,everyone have a nice day

 

Edited May 7, 2017 by Ceka Cianci

[Rhonda Huntress]

On 5/5/2017 at 2:41 AM, Asadora Summers said:

Where have all the pale skin Vampires gone?

Gone to flowers every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
 

(if you understand that you are too damn old ... like me)