Modified my avi's eventhough permissions said no modify? Will I get in trouble?

[MrJokerrrr]

Hi I just bought an avatar and realised it said no modify but before buying this new avatar I bought another one (David full avatar) from marketplace and I didn't realise that it also said no modify but the problem is that I already modified it (the shape) will I get in trouble? I also just read on marketplace that for the David avatar in description it says copy and mod shape yet in permissions modify has a line through it. Thanks. 

 

Edited March 26, 2017 by MrJokerrrr

[Whirly Fizzle]

No you won't get in trouble at all.
Wearing a different shape or editing a shape worn with a fitmesh/bento avatar is the norm & you are supposed to tweak the shape to get the look you want.
The "no modify" permission on that mesh body just means that you won't be able to directly modify that mesh object, for example by editing it and changing the applied textures through the edit menu.
You should be able to modify the mesh body using the HUD that came with the body though, or by using skin appliers made for that mesh body.

[Marianne Little]

Well, it is the common practice in SL to have the skins no modify. So if you try to tint an avatar, let us say tint it to a blue shade, you can't do it.

Shapes are sold as modify the most times. Clothes, hair and shoes are more 50/50.

This can be confusing at first.

If it was the 5L David male full avatar you bought, it indeed says no modify under the permissions. But in the description, it says that the shape is mod and copy. Maybe the seller has set the permissions for the whole avatar to no modify because she will avoid complaints from people who will change the skin.

We also have the case where an item is sold as modify, but you can only modify it with a resizer. The seller then argue slyly that it is modify since you can change the size. This is a unfair way of setting the permissions, I think. If one want to edit off a prim or adjust the colors, then they can't do it, because modify permissions are locked.

And finally, the thing you bought can show up in your inventory like "no modify", but still, you can edit it. Let us say you have a hair that says no modify, you wear it and you color it purple. Then the hair object itself can be modifiable, but it contains a script hat is no modify. Many creators include a resizer script, but leaves the modify permissions on. These creators are awesome.

As one who sometimes roam the grid in a male avatar, I can tell you that having modify permissions is a must when you will want to wear a beard. It is almost impossible to find a beard and a hair in matching colors. Well, both are sold as "auburn" for example. Yet they are two different shades. So tinting the lightest color a bit darker manually, is really the difference between a "meh" match and a perfect match.

Have I confused you? Welcome to SL, it is confusing. Especially in the start.

Tl.dr: If you can modify it, you are allowed to do it. It is just labelled wrong or contains a part that is no modify, but not all of it.

Edited March 26, 2017 by Marianne Little

[Talligurl]

It says no modify where? In the Marketplace listing? That isn't automatic the seller sets that when they list it, If they intend to make an item no mod, but put it out there as mod it is thier problem, not yours. It can go the other way as well, I got a bad review on an item I was selling when I first started out, because I thought I was setting the actual permissions when I checked those boxes. I listed an item as modify, but didn't actually make the item modify.

[Madelaine McMasters]

"No Mod" is a warning that you should not expect to be able to modify the thing you'll purchase, because it's restricted by the creator using system permissions. As others have described, some things are modifiable in certain ways, even though their system permissions are "No Mod".

There are things for sale in SL (ex: textures or shapes), generally intended for use by creators who'll then redistribute modified versions of the thing, which may be incorporated into other things, that must be sold "full perm" to allow both modification and subsequent distribution. Those things will usually come with a caveat that they cannot be redistributed as "full perm", but must be distributed with more restrictive permissions, or included in things which do not allow their extraction.

In general, if you are able to modify a thing, it's because you are allowed to modify a thing. Don't worry if you discover you can modify, in some way, a thing that's marked "No Mod". The system generally doesn't allow you to get in trouble.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Madelaine McMasters

[MrJokerrrr]

On 26/03/2017 at 3:44 AM, Whirly Fizzle said:

No you won't get in trouble at all.
Wearing a different shape or editing a shape worn with a fitmesh/bento avatar is the norm & you are supposed to tweak the shape to get the look you want.
The "no modify" permission on that mesh body just means that you won't be able to directly modify that mesh object, for example by editing it and changing the applied textures through the edit menu.
You should be able to modify the mesh body using the HUD that came with the body though, or by using skin appliers made for that mesh body.

Ah ok thanks. I can edit the shape but not the skin or texture. 

[MrJokerrrr]

On 26/03/2017 at 9:04 AM, Marianne Little said:

Well, it is the common practice in SL to have the skins no modify. So if you try to tint an avatar, let us say tint it to a blue shade, you can't do it.

Shapes are sold as modify the most times. Clothes, hair and shoes are more 50/50.

This can be confusing at first.

If it was the 5L David male full avatar you bought, it indeed says no modify under the permissions. But in the description, it says that the shape is mod and copy. Maybe the seller has set the permissions for the whole avatar to no modify because she will avoid complaints from people who will change the skin.

We also have the case where an item is sold as modify, but you can only modify it with a resizer. The seller then argue slyly that it is modify since you can change the size. This is a unfair way of setting the permissions, I think. If one want to edit off a prim or adjust the colors, then they can't do it, because modify permissions are locked.

And finally, the thing you bought can show up in your inventory like "no modify", but still, you can edit it. Let us say you have a hair that says no modify, you wear it and you color it purple. Then the hair object itself can be modifiable, but it contains a script hat is no modify. Many creators include a resizer script, but leaves the modify permissions on. These creators are awesome.

As one who sometimes roam the grid in a male avatar, I can tell you that having modify permissions is a must when you will want to wear a beard. It is almost impossible to find a beard and a hair in matching colors. Well, both are sold as "auburn" for example. Yet they are two different shades. So tinting the lightest color a bit darker manually, is really the difference between a "meh" match and a perfect match.

Have I confused you? Welcome to SL, it is confusing. Especially in the start.

Tl.dr: If you can modify it, you are allowed to do it. It is just labelled wrong or contains a part that is no modify, but not all of it.

Wow ok so basically I can edit the shape which is what I wanted to do so I can modify it but I can't modify the texture or skin etc. I got confused because I thought modify meant that I can't modify anything at all but I think the seller meant certain things can be modified otherwise why would they allow permission to modify the shape right? Thanks. 

[MrJokerrrr]

13 hours ago, Talligurl said:

It says no modify where? In the Marketplace listing? That isn't automatic the seller sets that when they list it, If they intend to make an item no mod, but put it out there as mod it is thier problem, not yours. It can go the other way as well, I got a bad review on an item I was selling when I first started out, because I thought I was setting the actual permissions when I checked those boxes. I listed an item as modify, but didn't actually make the item modify.

Yes in marketplace in the permissions section modify has a line through it yet in the details section it states 'Shape (modif & copy).' Oh ok I think I get it now because in the contents section it shows exactly what is modifiable (is that a word?) lol so e.g. the skin isn't but the shape is. Thanks. 

[MrJokerrrr]

9 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

"No Mod" is a warning that you should not expect to be able to modify the thing you'll purchase, because it's restricted by the creator using system permissions. As others have described, some things are modifiable in certain ways, even though their system permissions are "No Mod".

There are things for sale in SL (ex: textures or shapes), generally intended for use by creators who'll then redistribute modified versions of the thing, which may be incorporated into other things, that must be sold "full perm" to allow both modification and subsequent distribution. Those things will usually come with a caveat that they cannot be redistributed as "full perm", but must be distributed with more restrictive permissions, or included in things which do not allow their extraction.

In general, if you are able to modify a thing, it's because you are allowed to modify a thing. Don't worry if you discover you can modify, in some way, a thing that's marked "No Mod". The system generally doesn't allow you to get in trouble.

Thanks. Yes I understand now. The seller made some things modifiable e.g. shape but not the skin so I guess the seller just put no modify just because some things you can't modify.