AliHuggins Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Ok guys my friend in game started talking to someone that wanted to sell them 200k for 725 US dollars. The girl said she would give half the money before my friend payed on Paypal so she gave her 100k. My friend has no intentions on paying in pay pal so is that just a free 100k handed to her lol ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounds Turner Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If someone is getting ripped of then it's someone's fault which can be reported and investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliHuggins Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 Lol isnt it common sense though you dont give someone money you dont know thats the persons own fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounds Turner Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Yea i think so but some people don't think before they make actions lol But if it happened me even though i might feel a bit stupid, i'd report it. To prevent them doin it to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dresden Ceriano Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Wow, where is this person and how can I meet them... lol. Honestly I would never keep money I got that way. It's a matter of principle. Your friend may have agreed to it in order to get the money, in which case, that may be considered by some to be fraud.. but... If you're asking about the possibility of her getting into any sort of legal trouble over it, I'd say that was unlikely. This person wouldn't know who your "friend" is to file any RL charges against them. There's very little that can been done imho, even by LL. It's probable that this person was not on the up and up either... that doesn't mean I would stoop to their level. ...Dres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlenna Sands Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 No. Your friend is a thief and you are quite foolish for not knowing the answer to your own question. In fact, your question is so foolish you have forced me to make my very first post on this board, after lurking for over 3 years. Thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessika Rang Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I hope you and your "friend" get banned. Maybe not illegal but immoral and unethical - but you already knew that right? I call troll alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Your friend should just give it back right away because it may be she received it from a unauthorized linden seller which could get her banned. Even if it wasn't one of those linden sellers, you can still get in trouble. 100k isn't a small amount and LL can see exactly where the money went and they can also look at your friend's chat logs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Depends where your friend is based, but if she's in England or Wales she's guilty of fraud by false representation, contrary to the Fraud Act 2006. I would imagine most other places have similar legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauline Darkfury Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 No, it's not legal. It's almost certainly against LL ToS, and is probably against RL criminal law. It's called either fraud or theft, depending on the jurisdiction. Despite LL's claims to the contrary in ToS, L$ has RL value which is trivial to demonstrate via LL's own LindeX. The other side of this is that it seems like there's something dodgy about the L$ involved, so it's likely to end up with your friend's account getting frozen. L$200k is worth approx US$745 – 775 selling it on LindeX at current rates, and after LL's commission. So, given that LindeX (and other exchanges) offer a legitimate way to convert that L$ into a larger amount of US$, just why does this person want to sell the L$ at a loss? Could it be that the L$ is stolen, or worse, someone is trying to launder RL cash? So, possible outcomes for your friend: frozen and/or closed SL account (and for something serious, LL will close all known alts as well), criminal charges of fraud/theft if the L$ is somehow legit, or possible criminal charges of money laundering if it's not (or just losing the L$, depending on how far it goes). If the matter goes to law enforcement, your friend can be traced very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Wagstaff Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 That is called stealing. If someone delivers a good to you and you do not pay; you are a thief. Your friend has stolen that amount of money; and while it is probably too little to report or reclaim; and Linden Lab states they will not get involved - it doesn't change the fact that your friend is a thief and a scammer. But of course they can be nice people too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 theft is theft nomatter how easy it is to get away with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewee Musytari Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The person trying to sell Lindens was wrong & stupid & too trusting. You're "friend" is a thief and took advantage of a stupid person. As for you finding it funny.....Hmmm /me bites tongue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhonda Huntress Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I smell a set up. You will probably get your main banned for laundering money if you follow through with it or banned for fraud if you do not. You should send it back and mute the giver. Possibly make an AR about suspicious money transfers to CYA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Singer Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 umm NO, it's called fraud and breach of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vania Chaplin Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Ummm, There are many things in your problem. In LL’s point of view, it is a resident’s dispute, and LL doesn’t mess with it, except if… … the L$ received are from a fraudulent origin, in this case “your friend” can be suspended or banned for receiving them. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if “your friend” can be sued for it, but... ... there we go to personal ethics and goals. On the personal side, SL or RL alike, I do prefer to be able to see my face in the mirror every morning without being ashamed of myself. I would never accept those L$ if I don’t pretend to pay for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Silverspar Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 besides being a really scumball thing to do to someone, if the person who 'gave' the 100kL to your friend obtained them using fraudulent means those linden may end up not being of any value anyway. If they were obtained in a fraudulent way that is prosecutable, your friend could be seen as an accomplice and could end up in trouble. Someone probably stole a credit card with an 800 limit and wanted an untraceable way to max it out and collect the cash. AliHuggins wrote: My friend has no intentions on paying in pay pal so is that just a free 100k handed to her lol ?? it's not free, it's stolen. your friend agreed to pay for the currency, then she didn't do what she agreed she would do, meaning pay for it -- so it is stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoro Philipp Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 your friend should be careful about this situation, because when theres fraud on big quantities of money, the FBI or other real life law enforcement entities come to investigate, and Linden Lab wont have any problem in giving them real life data of people involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Arkright Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Funny how it's always "My friend" on these posts and never "Me"... Whoever it is, it's a despicable act of deliberate, premediated theft, and LL simply doesn't need people like "your friend" polluting the grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage Acanthus Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Well.... Technically, that is RL fraud and RL law enforcement could get involved. Odds are they won't, but they should. As far as SL goes, LL has a long standing tradition of not getting involved in transactions between residents and probably won't do much over this. 200000 L$ for 725 USD? That comes out to an exchange rate of 275 lindens to the dollar. The seller could have gotten a much better deal on the official exchange with no risk of this happening. Odds are the seller has a very good reason to sell off grid for a deep discount. I am willing to bet all sides of this are pretty shady. The seller probably got what they deserved and one can only hope that it will come back to haunt your "friend". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Singer Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 considering the poor state of SL support for paypal withdrawals? not so shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Pauline Darkfury wrote: So, given that LindeX (and other exchanges) offer a legitimate way to convert that L$ into a larger amount of US$, just why does this person want to sell the L$ at a loss? Basic accounts can amass good amounts of L$ but they can't can't cash them out. At least that was the case a few years ago when I bought a large amount of L$ from someone I'd known a long time because she had no way of cashing them out. Perhaps 3rd party exchanges offer a way these days but maybe they don't. In this case, I think it's more likely that the L$ were "hot". In case they are, the OP's friend should return them or she may get caught in the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkie Minotaur Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Keep us informed on what happens. I would just laugh my ass off if your friend would get suspended (and maybe more) by LL and sued for fraud and theft in RL - that would really be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage Acanthus Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Void Singer wrote: considering the poor state of SL support for paypal withdrawals? not so shady. I stand corrected. You are absolutely correct. I forget that things don't really work that well these days. Every day that passes makes me happier that I closed up shop when I did and cashed out while I was ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoiselleErin Teardrop Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 L$100K = about $400 RL USD I doubt anyone would bother with trying to persue charges. I mean yes it is aggrivating as heck but RL lawsuits usually formulate out of $1,000's stolen. Thing is, if someone is selling L$ cheap, something is wrong cause short-changing the L$ vs RL $ exchange is silly on the person who gave a "Deal" That would be like offering to take say, 3 quarters for a dollar bill. People are not stupid and won't do this unless they don't mind giving a gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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