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The Pathetic State of RP in SL

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I have to vent, I NEED to vent.  I should have run from SL years ago, having been here for over 6 years.  And I can count on one hand friends made, friends who know how to RP as well, intelligent, dedicated, funny friends who I would have over for dinner in a heartbeat if they lived in my part of the world.  And....I can count on all my fingers and toes and times that by 100 of the people I have met who;

A.) Think SL is some sort of RL dating service, and how many people lead other people on via lies and promises that never could become reality.

B.) Think SL is a place to offer their -all look the same- barbie doll/jiggly boob n butt bodies for lindens in exchange for the most oooh ahh moan moan boring sex in the world.  Trust me, internet porn is much better, and FREE and..well, faster.

C.) Suffer a major psychological disorder and or physical one and have come into SL to poor poor me cry and moan to people who uh huh them and do not give 2 sh*ts...just get on that poseball honey so I can come and go.

D.) Are obviously underage-points EVERYWHERE.  Or think that babies should have sex. *Points at a few of the nude family beaches*  Spend a day at one of those sims and I will guaaareeenteeee you will have no less that 5 *littles* hit on you in a very adult fashion.  Same thing for the adoption agencies and see how many pervs you get who wish to rape your childlike pixels, or how many want to predend they are daddies or mommies to a  little girl or boy, or..dog. To hell with it being a violation of TOS, its DONE EVERYWHERE. And if the littles are not looking for sex, they are looking for lindens.

E.) Gor/BDSM-The BDSM sims hate RPers and the Goreans are Living BDSM.  Most Gor sims are empty, and if you do find one that contains people, you will find that they are clicks of friends, or just really bad or fanatical with 0 character developement.  Norman laughs out there somewhere at everyone who took his books THAT seriously, and when you really look how and what the Gorean books reflected in their writing, well, it is just kool aid for fanatics...can't say its not fun but how many slave serves can one person tolerate without a conversation that goes beyond if I wish my paga warm or my ka-la-na chilled.  And ad to that..in all of SL you will find this....

F.) People who have NO CLUE what a capitol letter is, proper 3rd  person emoting is, nor how to use punctuation and painfully slow typers. Again they are dependant on their mesh bodies, male or female and yes I sport a mesh body as well.  *I touch you hey sup u look hot wanna fck ^^* is NOT RP. Its BS by deperate poseballers  Many need to get OFF SL and try a few high school lvl English courses and stay awake though them. Then try some college lvl creative writing courses. WORSE than that..TEXT SPEAK in RP. Its EVERYWHERE.

G.) I have nothing against furries, except to say they are all in the 14-21 age group and tail wagging or being in heat, having 6 mipples or a barbed peen does not exactly make for intriguing RP.  Most fur sims are dedicated to sitting around chatting it up and panting. Ugh.

H.) Greedy? Skipo?  On every sim, even the RP ones. WHY?  I can think of much better games to play that only require one to click OFF SL. And those games, have nothing to do with RP. Or communication.

That out of the way, having done both Urban and Gor I can say I have found legit and well versed RPers on some of the larger Urban sims. But again, rarely is it an exchange that goes beyond a day, with no continued story. And the price paid for that, in those multi sim places is extreme lag.  Gor is pretty much a joke, with some serious RPers and many pseudo slaves just looking for poseballing. I have heard some of the western themed sims are fun, but I, personally only can go on the word of friends. And Sci Fi I'm sure is in the same state of low quality role play, just add in a few tentacals and space suits. As someone who has RPed in MMORPGs as well as just text based RP, I have to say, second life is the sewer of RP.

I do believe the defintion of crazy, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting differnt results but not getting them.  Now I'm sure a few will follow this post with, -well damn you have just been in the wrong places-, or, -who peed in your pie-. If so, do enlighten me to where the real, creative, active RP sims are. I have spent nights visiting as many as 30-40 sims and finding all of 6 people, and if I am REALLY lucky, 1 can RP.  I'd have better odds winning the lotto.

 

Have I given up on finding mature RP with other like minded adults who understand the english language, even if using a translator, who are over the age of 30, or 40?  Probably not.  Though I'm finding that perhaps my time is better served in other venues. SL could be a GREAT world for RP of many genres.  But, its not.  Its Sex life, its BDSM life (most who have not a clue what the RL version of that is) and it is Pose Ball life with people/avis you will never see again, or only see again when they need to take care of their sexual needs again.  And that, makes me sad, and regret all the money I have spent there.  I would love to hear other people's takes on their RP experience...ONLY if you can type in complete sentences with capitol letters and periods!

 

 

 

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So much shade, so little time.

I'm not yet thirty (ALMOST, NOT YET, and don't you dare suggest otherwise), I've been active in Sci-fi, BDSM, Gor RP as well as general erotic, crime and/or relationship/girlfriend experience stuff. I've absolutely no interest in family/urban/kids/pregnancy/emergency-response/MC/vampire/breedable stuff. Been roleplaying from angles that I love in SL for 10 years (since my first week in-world), and across the Internet for a fair while before that. A lot of my closest friends roleplay daily - just about everywhere - and all hold themselves to high standards of quality.

I probably fit into a few of the categories you list, too. I undertake relationships in SL. I have a small bundle of mental health issues - none currently requiring medication. I'm poly/submissive (which is a fun combination, esp. with new people). I also love Greedy. Most of these points are related, I find online stuff more manageable and I love exploring new dynamics.

I also don't know what a capitol letter is, but I'm aware that just about everyone can be a snooty pretend-to-know-it-all. Sometimes ironically.

I'm not going to engage in the silly judgements and ranting, I'm not interested in defending the state of RP across SL or the Internet. I surround myself with cool people who get it and genuinely make my time in SL an easier, more thrilling place with exactly the sort of offers for roleplay that I'm looking for. I've never struggled to add more cool people to the pile.

If I were to give any "experience" here at all, it's that you could try the same - or at least try and reduce how much you care about people who don't qualify, or try to write off fewer people that might qualify, given time and compromise. Smart, articulate roleplayers exist, and they exist in SL.

Plenty of reasons why you may not have found them, I guess. Good luck in future!

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I agree with you on all points and i really feel the same way. I was wondering about what to do and how to change it since a long time but .. you can't change SL and the people who are coming in. They are often selfish and here only for their very own enjoyment, ignoring the people around them (its probably the ME ME ME generation and their parents). BDSM is a joke in sl, Gorean RP is a total joke because people who know how to rp the genre are to sparse as that you could build up any storyline (for most its just a bdsm club) .. its just no fun and makes no sense anymore. That is mainly because the simpletons took over and made it mainstream. Nothing you can do about that. You cannot even educate them as they don't listen. The nakies are everywhere, gold diggers, sugar babies, findoms are normal.

So what to do ?

I stick with and to the very few people i have got to known and i am just totally honest when i am approached by Noob avis/illiterate/oohahoo sluts/the stupid :matte-motes-sunglasses-3:

Oh and i have learned to take my roleplay to IM or to do it via notecard. It is not doable to roleplay a scene when you are constantly bumped in by people who think you entered because you want to get an insta **bleep**.

 

 

 

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While I agree with most of your points, you are misinformed when it comes to mental health, nudity, and child avatars.

 

Mental health. A lot of people with mental health issues play SL. Many do this because it is a way for them to get out and socialize. Not everyone with a mental health issue comes to SL to complain about it, and many may feel very comfortable talking about it here.

 

Nudity. Nudity isn't sex. This is a prudish Christian attitude with no basis in reality or merit. While I agree that there provably shouldn't be public nude beaches with kids, nudism has nothing to do with sex.

 

Child avatars. Nit everyone wants money or to be bones. Some people just want to be a kid again. I personally find it easier to play a kid than an adult, since I can find more to do and can make mistakes without looking like a moron. For me, it's also am exercise in acting, since I'm not playing an adult in a child's body like many of the people you complain about. But those people aren't roleplaying, so your criticism is misplaced.

 

I agree that SL can be a better platform for roleplaying. It's up to us to make it that, rather than **bleep** on people who aren't roleplaying. Be the example you want to be.

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The contrast between James' view of SL and yours reminds me very much of my own experience with RL and that of my elderly neighbor (and emergency backup mom). She can't get through a day without lamenting the tragedy that is the modern world. A world where nobody gives good service, makes good products, behaves as they should, or has time for her.

It's hard to believe I live in the very same world. I get great service, good products are plentiful, people's behavior generally delights or amuses me, and I'm rarely in want of attention. Could it be that you and I just can't see the world as it is?

;-).

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I think you and Harrison may be onto something. :)

I agree that finding things in SL has always been hard - quality is often a fairly limited resource. But it is still your world, your imagination, right? When things don't match what you expect to find you adjust your world. If everyone around you talks "lyk dis" and you'd rather they spoke "like this" or "L1k3 7h15" then... find those people. Why sit around growing bitter and frustrated, resenting either other users or the platform? Why would it be anyone elses' perogative to give you the experience that you want?

I've always found that a lot of folks are willing to say fairly disparaging generalisations about others - either in public or in their profiles. Typical in/out group stuff - "no sugarbabies", "no spampires", "no Madelaine's" - where do people think this negativity gets them? It's analogous to those folks looking for relationships with a long list of controlling preferences and generalised demands.

If your objective is to sit in a place and expect people to drag you into their stories, or want to write stories with you, then... be a character with aspirational, captivating values. I don't get to enjoy RP the way I like it just because I'm an easy lay (tho it helps bahahaha) - I have plenty of fulfilling opportunities because I play welll with others, I compromise and my first inclination is to be optimistic towards potential for good times.

I don't know anything about those with negative experiences, I've never met them (though I've been to Conall's places a few times now and then). I'm still just giving my experience of the things I see far too much of, and I wonder to what extent it may be symptomatic.

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well, i have been in SL for 8 months and i have learnen so much about everything there i think you just have bad luck, i found a family real fast and i wasn't even looking for it, and they and some other friends and people i meet in my time teached me to RL, to look for stuff on mp and inworld stores, to make appearances, etc... it has been very fun and helpful, and i don't think i'll ever regret the time i spend with they, is obvious you will find people who doesn't know anything, not even learn, but is the same RL, you will find airheads and you can't help them if they don't want, so complain about it seems useless and makes you look like a hater, most of your points are things you can't fix, just because is imposible, you can try help some newbies to RP or maybe make manuals, clases, etc... but just complain about it... well, you should know the next words right?

about the poseballs and furries, just let them be, look other thing, go other sim, watch other people, just look at them and hate is worst than be one of they, because at least they have their fun, and you don't because you're acting like a Grintch, just be cool and do your stuff, let people to theirs.

 

same with the people who spend on other people, is their problem, not yours, if you don't like, don't do it, but as in RL you can't make people change their minds, you can't do it in SL, you have to remember you're talking with persons, that exist in RL and not machines you can program to be cool, i bet you know people like that in RL and you should know puting a paper with "learn your language, study and get a job you lazy ass" it will makes nothing, right? of course. so one more time ( =_= i hate to say it so many times) stop complain about people, if you have problems with they, try teach, not hate, if you don't like something, ignore it or leave it, so, if you don't like SL just do other thing, if you like then help it to be better

 

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What's wrong with stating "no sugar babies" in my profile ? :matte-motes-evil-invert:

It's of course not helpfull to have a profile filled with dislikes but i personally like it when i am able to read about dislikes/likes before i eventually try to get in contact. Saves a lot of hassle actually.

SL is sometimes difficult as it is impossible to avoid to meet what doesn't fits us. We can do that in RL, choose a fitting club, knowing that the guys at the door will keep out what is not appropriate for the setting. It's hard in SL and so we are constantly met as example by slaves, naked people, sugar babies and findoms ... even in 1st class ballroom places. The only chance we have is to ignore and that is at times hard. That's when we need to do a rant and after that it's usually better again.

Not everyone has such an angelic patience as you Freya *grins*

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Haha my patience runs pretty short on the regular, I'm careful when I'm speaking to unknown audiences (e.g. in a public, busy sim) because... I don't know where that might go. But to be clear again, I wasn't pointing at any specific people's approaches!

There's definitely a place for being able to narrow down your likes, and you seem to understand that it's a balance - too negative and you will seem negative, too jaded and you will seem jaded. It's not just experienced roleplayers who are having trouble finding good times, new users have this trouble too. And when they find an established Second Life user they will be asking themselves "Is this someone I can get along with, or are they too insular/grumpy/etc?". These people will have met older users that have given them a poor impression before, in exactly the same way that some older users have a poor impression of new users.

My main criticism I suppose, isn't that people in this thread are doing anything wrong - other than maybe not understanding that this goes both ways. People tend to get the kind of quality from conversations that they deserve, either through intent or inattention (because conversation with them is less than great). Second Life is certainly still active enough that cool, intelligent and articulate people log in.

Sometimes it's better to look what I might be doing wrong rather than blaming the world and ranting loudly across a room full of folks about the state of it all. :)

 

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Freya Mokusei wrote:

Sometimes it's better to look what I might be doing wrong rather than blaming the world and ranting loudly across a room full of folks about the state of it all.
:)

 

Yes!

It's easier (though not necessarily easy) to change your own perspective and behavior than to change others'. Yet there are times when the latter is important. I don't think RP in SL is one of those times.

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First of all, not everyone is here for role-play. The vast majority are here to socialize with like-minded people. So I'm not sure what the point is of looking for RP in social spaces such as furry or BDSM sims would be. They are not here to be your RP monkeys. (Though some of the furries might just -be- monkeys..)

In fact, if you're going to those sims to 'RP' being a Dominant/submissive/friendly fur/whatever, then you're the equivalent of the 'wanna f**k' set with a slightly better vocabulary. You want instant gratification without putting in the work of being social, of being invested in the other person. That's the 'wanna f**k' mindset.

Also, before bemoaning others spelling and grammer, look to your own first. The word is 'cliques' not 'clicks'; 'third' not '3rd' and (in the sentence I'm referencing) 'or' not 'nor'. I'm not trying to be mean, but as you can hopefully see, -anyone- can be a grammar nazi or word snob.

How about thinking of their spelling foibles as an accent or speach impediment instead? Expand -your- imagination, be less uber-leet. Because no one is perfect, thinking you are is the main source of your frustration.

My other advice is to stop bouncing to 20 or 30 sims. Pick an RP venue, go there, wait for others to appear, engage no matter their 'skill'. Be open, be friendly, be helpful without being a jerk. Keep going back (consistant partners attract consistant partners).They'll come back, they'll get better. Rinse, repeat and soon you'll have a bunch of roleplayers of varying skill who just might have fun.

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I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote, James. I have tried to analyze why things have gone so horribly wrong, and I think it's as simple as this: There's been no one to set standards - and this applies to EVERYTHING in SL. Look at all the music clubs for instance? Or DJ's, bands that perform? The quality is so low that had someone presented such crap in a RL club, it would have resulted in an angry mob waiting for the dj or artist(s) after closing hours. In interracial clubs you can expect to hear all the lame 80's stuff (Phil Collins etc). Check any club where the majority of the guests are black- anywhere on this planet, and you'll notice that the music style doesn't differ much. Only the artists playing it. It's soul, hip hop, R & B or rap which dominates. And the whole nostalgia (80's especially) is typical for people who didn't get it when they were in their 20's, and never will. Placing morons to run the music will only appeal to... you guessed it- more morons who probably couldn't tap a 4/4 beat even if their lives depended on it. Same goes for BDSM clubs. Think the people behind those clubs frequent BDSM communities in RL? I am willing to put hard cash on the fact that they've never been inside a BDSM clubs. I'm a newbie myself when it comes to BDSM. I've been to gatherings (nope, there's no orgies going on, In fact it's mostly couples in discreet conversations with other couples) For the record- i kept a girl I know with companies, it's not really my thing. Though I must say that it's not uncomfortable in any way to mingle with people. And once and for all: NO one uses titles like "masters" etc. All of that is private and kept between the dominant part and the sub. They start at the other end- establishing trust. THIS much I've picked up at least. So how come the whole BDSM scene is so far from the real thing? Again - iit's morons who's in charge. That's why. New people adapt the behavior they see from long time users. Let's face it, the whole sex scene is controlled by people who probably couldn't get laid even if their **bleep** cured cancer. And THAT'S why the social interactions are so clumsy, why most are so unpatient, self centered and often rude. In their universe it's just one person that matters: themselves. They have no experience from RL that can raise the bar. In fact most guys seems like they're not even trying. Anyone who's been here for more than half a year and still hasn't bothered getting an ao, some clothes - and get rid of that freebie dick that looks like a dead fish that's been floating in water for days - will remain that way, It illustrates the mindset at play here: They're not here to be "part of something", their here to BS girls to have sex. Or sex isn't the right term... A female they can ejaculate inside is probably more correct. When it comes to women, I started noticing something totally unexpected. Their average age is way higher than what's common beliefs (35). Nothing wrong with mature women, so please don't misunderstand my point. My point is that many of them have lived in **bleep**ty marriages for so long, that even zit faced gamer cellar dwellars are better than nothing, or their impotent hubby. See what I mean? In bars, clubs, venues - you gotta make an effort. If not, you're taking a cab home alone. It's self regulated, there are norms and standards. Sometimes charm and humor can do the trick, other times intellect or wisdom, and in hip clubs- clothes and a pretty face will land a partner for the night. "Hi"... pause....."**bleep**" has NEVER worked. EVER! (Sadly enough it seems like some girls have just given up and has lowered themselves down to the same level. I've received quite a few of those myself). A friend of mine dated a girl who turned out to be an alt of the clubowner of one of the most visited clubs in SL. And here comes another factor which in my opinion also play a part in this giant train wreck of a virtual reality. She claimed to be 29, but by accident he found out that she was 2 years younger of his granny. In fact all the females in charge was way past retirement age. Long story short - he ended it. Not rude, not loud, just told her that his preferences was girls his own age. The result? She banned him, many of his friends (inkluding me) thinking we would spread the word about her age etc. In order to "remain 29" she easily axed 7 people who hadn't  done or said a bad word to her. SO... here's a bunch of seniors who has built their establishment solely on lies. They establish some sort of authority. And of course, gets easier access to men. Uses alts so they never have to answer to anything (it wasn't me, I don't know that person) Unfortunately he and his friends work in IT business (Ipsec, software testing etc) so they decided to put her to the test. Not going into details, but the key word is streaming media) 3 people in the club management shares the computer. same geo location. It doesn't solve anything of course. But we know for a fact that this person lived for free, used all of our stuff and was treated good in all ways, repaid us by switching to daily manager and banned us, then switced to another in the management (which we tried to explain things to) Who of course "sided with daily manager" - herself, who sided with the "girl" who had gotten her heart crushed (also her). As a side note: Others started to look closer into some of the biggest and most popular sims. I'm not going to mention any names or places, but I've seen hard evidence which leaves no doubt that they're scamming people (a high membership fee. And if the place is full when new people tries to join, the simply kick out and ban random members (!!) In my opinion- all of these things are part of what has caused the disaster on SL. Let's hypotethically say that James had gone to the owner of his fave RP hangout. And complained. Tried to suggest changes or instate guidelines. It could be anything- and motivated by a wish to improve things. In most cases, James would have been filed as being "the REAL problem. Bad for business. Think this would have resulted in support from those in charge? Hardly. There's no will to improve anything in here. There's no goals to stretch for, no pride in their work and the majority are so depended on their status, group of phony friends . And pretty comfy half assing stuff,. It's perfect as it is. And seriously- even Lindens have realized that this is the Titanic of virtual worlds. Their new platform- Sansar isn't going to be a better lagfree version of what we know as Second Life, They've hired in high tech expertise, teamed uo with partners, has implemented 3rd part apps, new technology like Oculus Rift. And you won' t be able to rent land from rental companies and put up whatever you like. In other words - their old slogan that said "Come and build this wirtual world together with other members" has been buried. With the apps and the 3d glasses, it's clear that it's the age group 18-25 they wish to attract (since this age group are known to generate more members (friends) spends more money on gadgets than other age groups. The whole BS concept is impossible too of course, Announcing subscriptions that includes lots of apps - maybe even 3d glasses has eliminated any chance of cheap China copies being sold at Marked place also.To round off I'd like to address whay you pointed at in your opening statement: RP. Let's assume that Sansar becomes an instant success. This elephant's graveyard will change immediately. Keep in mind that hardly anyone talks about Second Life when they're not logged in. That's going to change with the introduction of new technology, new ways to communicate both inworld and cross platforms (through apps) Creepy dudes dancing naked with minors on beaches - ba-bye to them as well. They managed to keep their disgusting activities relatively hidden from the outside. Instead a new group of highly competitive people will be an influensial force. Gor don't stand a chance either. I predict a much higher interest in RP actually. With all the technology in place I'm pretty sure it will be regarded in a much more serious way. One possible direction could be that a sim has a built in grade system where fantasy RP rewards those who performs well. In other words it's not just how you express yourself, but what effect your character's choices has (think gaming) RP involving sex has a much higher standard on Achat (just to mention one) And if we consider that the idea is to abandon the sex and music clubs concept, their idea must be to offer a virtual world that's not divided in sims.. It's one world (giant of course) for all. From history, we can say one thing for sure: Sex will never run out of date ;) I'm curius about the housing situation will be. Only Linden houses maybe? From preview pics I've seen big city life- as if people lived in flats? I could be wrong. I'm waiting for my new password from Aditi so I can test the beta version properly. Ps: The cliff note version of what I wrote is: Second life started to early. And seen in perspective- it hasn't  exactly bombarded us with improved functions or offered anything "new" . And how tell all the BDSM fans "listen guys, what you're practising isn't roleplaying, it's a really poor copy created by assholes and for assholes- so they could get laid online. Plus a kind and including iniative so wifebashers wouldn't be discriminated". Even a manual was created I think...."The freeloaders way to the **bleep**". And wasn't a movie in planning? "Dom and dumber (Master). Had Second Life been launched in... say 2011, they could have sold it differently. As a "test version" so to speak. With the real deal comming later (seems like February/March is when Sansar will be launched. All the wrong people signed up for all the wrong reasons when second life started. Thanx to them, we're left with a virtual world which has proven once and for all: Makind are heading back to the treetops and banana diets... (and no, I don't consider myself as being an expert on anything on Second Life. I would have loved to learn more. I've been close to leaving the last months. Lost good friends too. My rant is over now, but damn I needed to say this! :)

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lordrocksoff2 wrote:

I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote, James.

I think you probably could.

Absent paragraphs, I'm disinclined to read anything you wrote. So, agree or not, I'll never know.

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Well I tried.
As far as can be deciphered it thinks:

All clubs are run by one granny who is only in it to conjugate with acne cellar dwellers because of marriage.And they are all the same person. As it used grabbing a stream IP. So it must be true (it has evidence yer Honour!!)

18-25. 'nuff said. Its an improvement on Club 18-30 though.

"treetops and banana diets are bad" True I prefer other fruit indoors.

"All the wrong people signed up for all the wrong reasons". Yep thats me :) oh wait....

I think it likes that "wifebashers wouldn't be discriminated".

And it seems that its confused about the beta grid - well we all are sometimes.

Have to agree about the Phil Collins though. That should be banned outright.

Quite like being classed as an acne Granny cellar dweller though - my kind of RP =^^=

 

Actually with a bit better use of paragraphs its not a bad rant.

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Feeling (some of) your pain, James. I'm going to join you in a little bit of a vent, too.

However...

"...given up on finding mature RP with other like minded adults who understand the english language, even if using a translator, who are over the age of 30, or 40.."

Surely you jest?

I only seem to come across the one-foot-in-the-grave dirty old farts who apparently are of the grossly mistaken belief that because their wives don't look at them anymore, I should kneel at their crusty old feet and kiss their wrinkled old arses just for being female! (Sorry to be so crude, but there's really no other way to say it once you're incensed.)

As for RP - I'd love nothing more than to learn, but not if it means that every male player assumes I'm bdsm bait. Pfft to that rubbish (in any event, most of them haven't a clue what a real Dom is).

Wanted to try Gor but after my own experience of 'men' in SL in general, I'd only want to become a Panther just for the joy of killing them. Repeatedly.

The vampire business isn't any better - it's just a massive money sink  - and another lot (for the most part) who can't seem to distinguish between vampirism and bdsm and who don't seem to rp anything other than sex (and yes, most - but not all - of them are also one-foot-in-the-grave dirty old men looking for a quick jolly while the wife's asleep).

Watching paint dry seems far more stimulating all of a sudden.

Le sigh.

 

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Roxy Couturier wrote:

First of all, not everyone is here for role-play. The vast majority are here to socialize with like-minded people. So I'm not sure what the point is of looking for RP in social spaces such as furry or BDSM sims would be. They are not here to be your RP monkeys. (Though some of the furries might just -be- monkeys..)

In fact, if you're going to those sims to 'RP' being a Dominant/submissive/friendly fur/whatever, then you're the equivalent of the 'wanna f**k' set with a slightly better vocabulary. You want instant gratification without putting in the work of being social, of being invested in the other person. That's the 'wanna f**k' mindset.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I first read the OP, and unfortunately my reply about it got eaten.

These places are not ROLEPLAY SIMS. Don't expect RP to happen at furry clubs and BDSM hangouts, people don't go there to roleplay. Try some actual RP sims maybe. Some are good, some are bad, some are just a bad fit for certain players, and to some degree you get what you put in. If all you do is complain about what other people are doing or not doing, you're obviously not gonna attract a lot of friends and RP partners.

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James, first, where have you been all my RP Life?!

I would like to address a few things.

Those of us that do start legit rp sims face al ot of harassment from the following;

Furries

Femboys

Transgendered

Immature looking Avies

and those looking for pixel humps

Lest we forget the, "What do you mean I can't wear my long shirt with lace-up sandals and showing every piece of flesh I can in a Victorian setting?"  This is a common occurrence for those of us that have decades of tabletop roleplay experience and come to SL to add some flare with pixel created avatars to express that rp and widen our horizons and player base.

People buy sims and then get harassed endlessly about why people are not allowed to come as they would like in a setting they obviously know nothing about or do not even want to learn about, but plop on there, not reading the web site, the basic rules on behavior and then outright verbally abuse you for reminding them this is probably not the sim for them.  There are legit rp sims out there but our traffic is low so we don't rise above the other sims that allow all the things that we have all agreed are a bit over the top for real rp enthusiasts.

I invite any and all that would like a late 1800's gothic horror setting to view my webpage www.noxatra.online and come and visit us for some seriously good old fashioned rp where you won't find sex engine furniture in the pub or local areas at all.  No furries, no tweenies or tinies and some seriously talented rp'ers.

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On 11/20/2016 at 2:38 AM, Roxy Couturier said:

First of all, not everyone is here for role-play. ...

Amen to that.  I came over here to read the OOC thoughts of RP.  Personally, I come to SL to create and socialize, and I do a little RP to get along, but RP isn't why I'm here.  I continually hear people inworld whining about the quality of RP, and I wonder if they can ever be satisfied. 

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There's a fair amount of necroposting going on lately but I guess it saves the need for countless topics covering the same subject *cough* Linden Homes *cough* 😉

Now I AM one of those people that joined Second Life to Role Play, but I don't engage in it anymore.

I've sat here for the last hour or so writing and deleting my own accounts of years in the role play community; of creating various RP sims, of managing their various groups, dealing with griefers, juggling well-intentioned feedback, manoeuvring in a competitive market, as well as the financial cost that goes into all of it. The fact is, no one cares. Everyone in Second Life is chasing their own high. If you can't find your high in one place, then you just go find it somewhere else - be that another RP sim, with other people via IMs or emails, or another platform altogether. That explains the shifting numbers aspect.

My previous experience has definitely tainted my ability to role play, and I can say that in all certainty. After dealing with the business side of RP I am always casting a judgemental eye on others that I visit without even meaning to. My internal perfectionist has to fight the eye-twitch of something that irritates me (though irritates is perhaps too strong a word), be it flickering textures, badly spelled note cards, too much lore that could be simplified, or any other million things that I tell myself, perhaps egotistically, that I could do better if that particular RP sim was mine.

Maybe its the same for others who have created RP communities; I can't speak for anyone else. But in all honesty I regret ever starting down that path, despite all the positives that came with it. Over the years I have made some incredible friends. I did built some places I can genuinely say for a time I was proud of. I learned an awful lot. But I also wish I could just rewind the clock and go back to being as I had been when I first joined SL; just a role player blissfully ignorant of anything else beyond creating her own story. And that's something else I wish I didn't know; the ugly and often-self-entitled attitudes of other role players.

I think statistically speaking the RP community is generally small. As has been pointed out by others not a great deal of people in SL actually RP. After playing in the same genres over the years I recognise many of the same names and faces (and the same alts) and read the same stories with the same predictable plot twists with little deviation. I've clashed with some people. I've had relationships with others. There are burned bridges some good, some bad, behind me. And all that history too makes me less likely to visit places where those people are. I could create alts of course, and on occasion I have. But that initial spark that drove me to start role playing here in the first place just isn't there anymore. Time and experience has whittled it away. Now I'm nostalgic for better days long gone. I'm bitter about what I perceive to be a lack of standard, which is realistically self-imposed and at the end of the day just my opinion. My friends and I still regularly lament on what we regard as the sorry state of RP in SL, and how people are too busy looking for the immediate gratification that comes from one or two scenes, or just sex that's not-so-subtly veiled as role play, or would rather just shock and awe to kill boredom, either in character or out of character in group chat, rather than invest in anything of any real long term merit.

Of course, many people still ARE in these communities, still enjoying them, still chasing their highs. Maybe some are just there because they feel they have little other option. No doubt others like me found it easier to simply step away. For some role players it's probably habit; they stick to what they know and don't stray very far. For many the notion of creating their own places is a daunting (and very expensive and time consuming) process, so they just go along with anything since it's better than "nothing". I think most are simply content doing their own thing, just as they have since Second Life first started. People come and go. Trends come and go. Tastes change. We evolve or we stagnate. For me personally, once you've stepped backstage behind the curtain at the magician's show, you stop being wowed by the magic. 

That's just my opinion of course.

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When I first joined SL, I did it to roleplay. I had a completely wrong idea what SL actually was so when I first joined, I spend the most time just exploring and meeting people. My focus completely went to the social, exploring, building, shopping and photographic side of SL, and totally lost sight of my "I like to roleplay" goals.

Couple of years back I decided again I would like to try engaging in roleplay. That part always attracted me, even though I'm not at all experienced in it except in a very old MMO game (Ultima Online).

My experiences:

I love Sci-fi, and Star Wars in particular. I noted there were quite some SW roleplay sims, and upon quick scanning the populations, it seemed ok. I picked one of my alts as designated rolepayer, got her all set up in a believable SW race/look, and went for it. Rented a home on one of the SW planets, and started to hang out at those sims a bit. Now my "handicap" is that I am somewhat terribly shy to new people, so I don't just rush in the crowd and participate, but at first I will explore the places, see what people come and go and see where it leads.

- Some of the people that contacted me were out for sex quite directly
- Some of the people that contacted me were out for sex but trying not to be to obvious about it at first (they failed)
- The roleplay captain of the Imperial Guard faction where I lived had boobs the size of a battle star, and wore a latex uniform
- Bit of a wild guess, but around 80% of the people where either a Jedi Master or a Sith Lord.

My desire to want to join in on this roleplay kinda died before I ever joined in. Now maybe that's my bad, should I have joined in it would have been great, but I do need some level of immersion to be able to roleplay.

Same happened on a more gritty urban(ish) themed roleplay. I was looking forward to be among more "regular" people living in a more dark gritty environment. I was not prepared for the fact that there were almost no normal people, and everyone was some uber demon, vampire, werewolf or other supernatural being. The rare human walking around was spending 99% of their time being captured and sexually abused by either one of those (and that's probably what they like about it).

Went to a fantasy roleplay, was GoT based. Did my looks, went exploring. Actually got contacted quite soon had a nice talk and got invited into the tavern. In the tavern I met the great Lords and Ladies of many houses who apparently ruled over noone, because everyone rather play the ruler of a house or other important noble.

Peeked in at other places, reading profiles and storylines, and what really prevents me from even wanting to join in, is the fact that everyone seems to have the urge of needing to be some very important person/creature/whatever, and there's no commoners. This self importance really irks me so much that it prevented me to even trying. That's probably more my issue, but that's what it is.

To me, active roleplay scenes do not feel welcoming at all, and even though some of the places look awesome, the players kill of the feel of immersion completely. (again, my opinion as a wannabe roleplayer) I gave up on it, not feeling the drive to go trough "I am holier than thou" personalities or I don't give a crap about realism/immersion types. Maybe I just looked in the wrong places, and I'm pretty sure my not-so-outgoing mindset is also a limiting factor. Its just my experiences.

While typing this, I do remember an occasion where I was just exploring, but got into a talk with a barkeep, some people coming and going, and it was quite fun, but that place stopped exist short after. Was a cyberpunk(ish) place called Suffugium.

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Even though the thread was created in 2016, it is still status quo as this have been the state of role play since my own beginning, tens years before this thread was started.

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RP. hmm. Not into.. being Kweopi is taking me all the time. :)

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16 hours ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

I was not prepared for the fact that there were almost no normal people, and everyone was some uber demon, vampire, werewolf or other supernatural being. The rare human walking around was spending 99% of their time being captured and sexually abused by either one of those (and that's probably what they like about it).

Went to a fantasy roleplay, was GoT based. Did my looks, went exploring. Actually got contacted quite soon had a nice talk and got invited into the tavern. In the tavern I met the great Lords and Ladies of many houses who apparently ruled over noone, because everyone rather play the ruler of a house or other important noble.

Peeked in at other places, reading profiles and storylines, and what really prevents me from even wanting to join in, is the fact that everyone seems to have the urge of needing to be some very important person/creature/whatever, and there's no commoners. This self importance really irks me so much that it prevented me to even trying. That's probably more my issue, but that's what it is.

Bingo.

Everyone wants to be special and nobody wants to explore what they percieve as "common and boring". When my partner and I used to roleplay in SL, more often than not we would deliberately pick the "common and boring" options, because those were the ones we could have more fun with. And, more often than not, those roles were underdogs and thieves. But the trouble with playing those kinds of role - no matter how much fun we had between ourselves and the very, very few people who also played them - was that the vast majority of other players wouldn't deign to descend from their castles - both literal and figurative - to roleplay with us.

I think out of all the places I've roleplayed, only once did I play a so-called important role. Otherwise I've always been the assassin for hire skulking at the bar (while the ruler and her huge entourage stayed in the palace), the human freedom fighter in a world of vampires and werewolves who were only interested in how many humans they could capture and lock in dungeons (thereby preventing them from roleplaying; once in the dungeon nobody went near you), the thief prowling the streets at night (while everyone stayed locked up and OOC in their rental homes), etc.

It's really no wonder we stopped roleplaying.

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I used to play at sim called Kingdom of Sand years ago. We'd run wild, picking fights or cooking up magical catastrophes or kidnappings of princes/princesses every day. It was completely random yet people just rolled with it and almost never broke character (at least the ones I roleplayed with). It was perfect for those of us who could only pop in for an hour or two to play, as we didn't miss any big plot twists. There wasn't really a plot.
Over the last few years, roleplay seems to have morphed from interactive improv to fan-fiction. Not sure why, but people just don't seem to want to incorporate randomness into their storylines anymore.

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Roleplay happens just around the corner, with the girl or boy next door. And when you dont expect it.
Even if someone starts with a boring"Hi. how are you", nothing is lost yet. I tend to answer something witty or cheeky, trying to see what can be made out of the situation.
Of course, nothing will develop in ~99% of all cases, but the remaining 1-2% is worth the effort.

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