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It's not so much jealousy as a fondness for cartoon violence. One of my favorite words in the English language (it's listed as an interest in my profile) is "defenestration", the act of throwing someone or something out of a window.

A quick search of YouTube reveals that I'm not the only one enjoying this addiction...

I got a much earlier start than Zach. I think I was two when I tossed my first thing out of a window. I spent many hours throwing things out my barn's loft, including me.

Now I'm trying to remember the name of the tune Zach has playing in the background. It was the closing tune from a local radio station's classical show, and I listened to it countless times when I was young.

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Well that is probably just as well as the crimes commited under the quack profession of psychology were in my opinion crimes against humanity. Apart from the last decade with the advent of brain scan mapping the entire profession was and mosly still is based on unscientific research and opinions. Anyone can get a PhD in psychology. all one does is quote every other doctors unproven statistics and wild theories.

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Phil Deakins wrote:

People may choose to play games in it, but SL itself is not a game for anyone, even though some people may think of it a a game, because they play games in it.


I love how 100% wrong you are with your made up facts. SL is absolutely a game for many people, and you would know that if you read any of the posts in this thread. Mini games aren't the deciding factor about SL being a game or not, and people aren't being mislead about it being a video game to them. I can go months without playing a mini game or anything resembling it and still consider SL a video game because it is no different from playing any other video game. I don't consider SL to be a chat room or Skype because it is not those things and is considerably different from them. I do not consider it Facebook or Twitter because it is not those things.

So clearly, you are 100% wrong in your made-up-factual statement that SL is absolutely, unquestionably not a game in anyone's eyes. There are a lot of people who consider it to be a video game. Deal with it.

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HarrisonMcKenzie wrote:

I ... still consider SL a video game because it is no different from playing any other video game.

I don't consider SL to be a chat room or Skype because it is not those things

I do not consider it Facebook or Twitter because it is not those things.


Ok. That's a powerful evidence-based rebuttal. So Second Life isn't a chat room, isn't Skype, Facebook or Twitter. Good to know! I hadn't realised that these four services + video games were the only options.

It's fine to consider SL as whatever you like, go nuts. If Second Life - to me - is a simulator for microbial life then I can just as logically conclude that the prevailing and most numerous population of Second Life is monocellular, but I'd be wrong. Just because I have a perspective doesn't mean that it involves everything that Second Life has to offer and sums up the platform fairly.

I've played video games for a while and I also use SL, I don't equate the two because from my perspective, that seems reductive and less useful than my standing explanation for Second Life. But I'm not sure any of this reasoning adds any "facts" whatsoever, your post seems just as made-up and non-substantive as you accuse Phil's of being. Oh! Found one!


HarrisonMcKenzie wrote:

There are a lot of people who consider it to be a video game.


There are a lot of people who consider Justin Bieber to be a powerful and evocative musician, there are "a lot of people" who imagine vaccines to contain mind-control drugs. A lot of people are often wrong.

Not swayed! This ain't a convincing case.

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HarrisonMcKenzie wrote:


Phil Deakins wrote:

People may choose to play games in it, but SL itself is not a game for anyone, even though some people may think of it a a game, because they play games in it.


I love how 100% wrong you are with your made up facts. SL is absolutely a game for many people,
and you would know that if you read any of the posts in this thread.
Mini games aren't the deciding factor about SL being a game or not, and people aren't being mislead about it being a video game to them.
I can go months without playing a mini game or anything resembling it and still consider SL a video game because it is no different from playing any other video game
. I don't consider SL to be a chat room or Skype because it is not those things and is considerably different from them. I do not consider it Facebook or Twitter because it is not those things.

I was about to post a reply but I thought I'd read the post on the next page first, and, in it, Freya posted an emminently suitable reply. I'll just add a response to the part that I bolded.

I accept that YOU consider SL to be game, because you said so. My post allows for people who think of it as a game, so that part of my post wasn't wrong.

You are quite wrong, though, about SL being "no different from playing any other video game". It may look like other video games but other video games have gameplay - goals to achieve and such - whereas SL has none. Therefore, SL is not like "playing any other video game" - because SL itself isn't something that anyone can play. Anyone can BE in it, but being isn't playing.

I'll restate the fact, but with a slight modification:-

People may choose to play games in it, but SL itself is not a game for anyone, even though some people may think of it as a game.

The modification is that I left the last few words off because it's clear that some people, such as you, think of it as game, whether or not they are actually playing anything in it.

Btw, I read every post in this thread, as the thread developed, and I am well aware that some people think of SL as a game, and others know very well that it isn't. Each is entitled to his/her own opinion. All I'm doing is stating a self-evident, and patently obvious, fact.

 

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Phil Deakins wrote:

I was about to post a reply but I thought I'd read the post on the next page first, and, in it, Freya posted an emminently suitable reply


Thanks! I was trying to not steal words from your probable reply BUT ALSO fully aware that I have my final wisdom tooth growing in and rahrah-ing at logical inconsistancies via keyboard is substantially less painful than attempting to use my mouth for anything again ever.

Will mix this with a thank you for your kind words in another thread.

So apologies for tone issues, is probably not the volume others would employ. If it did infringe and you have other things you want to address I'd happily remove the post. Was theraputic, though! :D

@Maddie - Whatever you're on, I want some of. :)

Done derailing!

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D'aw, I'mma blush. I don't miss much here and has been good to see you posting here again. :)

It wasn't easy becoming a Lv142 Oldbie, unlocking all achievements and getting on the high tier-scores table long enough to become FIC. Luckily I maxed out my prim-magic and vwrsearch-fu skills early on and dodged all the mobs out for my XP. If SL wasn't such an obvious competitive gaming experience or had harder to find cheat codes I'm sure it'd have taken longer to defeat the final boss.

...Or maybe I just used SL as a creative, micro-economic and socialising platform to better myself and others around me through collaborative hard work and a persistant vision supported by internationally-located cool-peoples' points of view, and applied the lessons I learnt to my emerging professional life while making many many new friends and romantic partners. :)

Maybe everything isn't so simple!

 

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:


Freya Mokusei wrote (edited for brevity):

I just used SL to better myself and others around me through collaborative hard work and a persistant vision, while making many many new friends and romantic partners.
:)
 

It seems there's no reason for you to drink my Kool-Aid.

You've made your own.

I've made my own Crystal Light... does that count?

...Dres

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Freya Mokusei wrote:

... and has been good to see you posting here again.
:)
 

Thank you, Freya :) From a link in a new thread (about bots), I started to read an old thread that I started in 2012, and posts by regulars back then, who I haven't seen here this time around. It was nice to 'see' them.

But this forum is weird for me. I stay away for a long time and then I think, 'I wonder if there's anything happening in GD', and before you know it, I'm back posting agian. It's not the first cycle like that that I've gone through. But the good old days of bot wars are long gone, so it'll never be the same lol. I miss those bot wars :(

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