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What did SL do wrong during the early days?

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ChinRey wrote:


Perrie Juran wrote:

When I started back in 2007 I made a few friends who had been tasked by their companies to explore SL in order to see how they could use it.  And overall they found that it was logistically too limiting.


Interesting. Yes, I suppose most companies would do their own research before signing up. The ones people saw in SL were the ones that forgot.
;)

This got me to think about something: I remember some news articles about SL back in the early days. But apart from that, I can't remember ever hearing anybody in Real Life or at any internet forum not directly related to SL, as much as mention Second Life. I've certainly never ever met anybody who said that they have or had a Second Life account (apart from the people I met through SL of course).

One of my Friends worked for a multi national company that was looking at SL as a conferencing tool.  Getting twenty managers together from offices around the world for a meeting in SL turned out at that time to be too tedious.

 

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I was here way back when SL first went online. The malls/sims were all full with 1000s of REAL users. Yup this is just an account I made for forum use only; however I still use SL at times. This is what I witnessed:

1- In the beginning you had to provide SL with your DOB, etc., so as to verify what gender/who you were, but that changed so now you have not a clue to who/real life gender you are chatting/roling with.

2- LL God complex angered many: you pay for clothing, but you do not really own it, banning people left & right (relatives/friends left with them)-the I rule this world mentality nuking customer loyalty-LL rules for landowners who supposedly "owned" the land in first place

3- Attempting to intertwine real life corporations into SL

4- LL not giving vendors fair & equal rights

5- Nothing like an "escort" SL environment driving away the male populace

6-  Teleporting from sim to sim  with LL allowing sim owners to ban you at will w/o justification & or verbally abuse/assault you in process since he/she owns the sim (variation of the God complex)

7- LL introducing/using artifical intelligence (bots) to manipulate SL users into spending more $$

"absolute power corrupts absolutely"   greed + arrogance = SL 2016

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LinuxGod4u wrote:

I was here way back when SL first went online. The malls/sims were all full with 1000s of REAL users. Yup this is just an account I made for forum use only; however I still use SL at times. This is what I witnessed:

T
here were not enough people in SL in the early days for 1000's of real users to be in malls!  There weren't even enough malls in the early days to hold 1000's.  There are tons of people that claim to be "original residents
in
 alts" that
a
ren't, because there are way more claiming that than the actual number of early residents.  

1- In the beginning you had to provide SL with your DOB, etc., so as to verify what gender/who you were, but that changed so now you have not a clue to who/real life gender you are chatting/roling with.

To my knowledge age and gender of your RL were never available to other residents.

2- LL God complex angered many: you pay for clothing, but you do not really own it, banning people left & right (relatives/friends left with them)-the I rule this world mentality nuking customer loyalty-LL rules for landowners who supposedly "owned" the land in first place

You
never
owned the things you bought.  If that was so if LL pulled the plug you'd have the item still on your computer.  You have only have the right to use the things you buy in SL and only with the permissions the creator sets.  This was the way it was before the 'golden age' of SL that drew so many thousands in.  

The majority of merchants give good customer service in SL.  There are some like you describe but I've only run into a few in my 10+ years here.

If people are banned from SL they violated the TOS and deserve it.  In the 10+ years I've been in SL I've never heard of relatives and friends of a person that was banned leaving SL for good too, other than maybe a group of griefers.  Here you complain about LL rules for landowners then further down you complain about landlowner rules.

3- Attempting to intertwine real life corporations into SL

I was hear when this went on and it failed.  The only people driven away were the RL corps by their own lack of success.  See posts above for why.  Most people were glad to see them go as they didn't want RL advertising in SL.

4- LL not giving vendors fair & equal rights

5- Nothing like an "escort" SL environment driving away the male populace

I don't care for escorts myself, but they are allowed and I live and let live.  But if they drove so many away, why are there so many clubs with escorts and why are they popular among a certain population?  People that don't want to be involved with or be around escorts, don't have to be. 

6-  Teleporting from sim to sim  with LL allowing sim owners to ban you at will w/o justification & or verbally abuse/assault you in process since he/she owns the sim (variation of the God complex)

Sim owner's pay the tier and it's only fair they get to decide who has access to it and set the rules.  I pay for my home in RL and get to decide who can come in the door and set the rules.  Most people banned broke the rules.  I think too that while there may be exceptions, sim owners get much more verbal abuse/assault than they give, usually from people who were banned for breaking the rules.

7- LL introducing/using artifical intelligence (bots) to manipulate SL users into spending more $$

No bot has ever manipulated anyone into spending more money.  How could they do that?   

"absolute power corrupts absolutely"   greed + arrogance = SL 2016

This is an attitude that a lot of newbs have now days.  They feel entitled and expect everything for free and to be able to go where they want and do what they want whenever they please.  There is nothing wrong for being paid for your work.  Back in my early days people never expected anything free.  They were willing to pay for things and tipped well.  When they did get something for free they were very grateful.  

I don't hide behind a two day old alt to post here.  You can check my profile to see I have been in SL as long as I have said.

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i don't even respond to the other statements you make... the first is reason enough to have a laugh about it and move on...

 


LinuxGod4u wrote:

I was here way back when SL first went online. The malls/sims were all full with 1000s of REAL users.


1000's of REAL users..... good god.... the grid crashed  and went down for some hours or even days when there were more than 4 to 5k online... where do you get those thousends from?

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Alwin Alcott wrote:

i don't even respond to the other statements you make... the first is reason enough to have a laugh about it and move on...

 

LinuxGod4u wrote:

I was here way back when SL first went online. The malls/sims were all full with 1000s of REAL users.


1000's of REAL users..... good god.... the grid crashed  and went down for some hours or even days when there were more than 4 to 5k online...
where do you get those thousends from?

From his in-built store of wishful thinking and imagination. I.e. he wishes he'd been around back then, and he imagines what it might have been like. Also he imagines that saying he's an oldbie will bring him some auto-respect/awe/whatever. But both you and Amethyst showed him up - that he wasn't around when he claimed to be.

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Always curious about those claiming to have been there 'back in the day' that never give the name they were using then. Understand that for some its because they were naughty and are skirting around by making up a new account but this seems to not be the case here.

And on the '1000s' numbers - I do remember the day that the grid hit 15k logged in and didn't immediately burst in to flames after a big update. Did so a few days later of course...2007 sometime? I suppose all those other 1000s and 1000s thronging the teeming malls must have been doing it when I was asleep.

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I've been in  SL for 9+ years. I remember the day the grid first hit 35,000 and promptly crashed. I've been to busy malls and MM boards with 40 or so. Thing is, couldn't be thousands since most sims only allow 40 avis and can only be maxed to 100 avis. 

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On reflection, I may have misunderstood what the guy meant when he said, "I was here way back when SL first went online. The malls/sims were all full with 1000s of REAL users." Of course he didn't actually mean that the sims and malls were full with 1000s of real users, because, when SL first went online, there were no malls, and not thousands of users. He may have simply meant that SL had thousands of real users, and a few malls, not long after it went online.

When I joined (Dec 2006), it was normal for SL to have around 12k users logged in early in my day, which rose to maybe around 20k as America woke up. It took quite a long time after that to reach 30k, and I remember that people at LL were getting the impression that they'd never get to 30k. Eventually it did, of course.

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:


LinuxGod4u wrote:

 

1- In the beginning you had to provide SL with your DOB, etc., so as to verify what gender/who you were, but that changed so now you have not a clue to who/real life gender you are chatting/roling with.

To my knowledge age and gender of your RL were never available to other residents.


Correcto - these were never public information. Nor would they have ever been, Linden Lab has always been very clear on resident privacy and acceptance of incongruent information - to the point where I'm almost surprised to find an alleged oldbie who advocates for "verification".

In addition, I've never confirmed my gender to LL - and they've never asked. In 2006 I did still have to provide Payment Info On File - but using a credit card reveals no private information except your name and that you're aged above 18. LL have my DoB on file as well, but that's all.

Really I'm jjust posting to corroborate since I've very recently had to think about the information companies have about me.

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Gender was never required. If it had, 80% of the escorts back in the day would have been unable to work because, from statistics back in the day, it was estimated that about 80% of the female escorts were actually males in RL that had found they could make a lot of money before so many came on and give it away for free.

 

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