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Anahata Love

Ready to take the step to change to viewer 2.5.. but I still have questions (and a big problem)!

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My brother plays on the official viewer and I was helping him organize his clothing and noticed that when you make an outfit you can have it saved in the last tab 'My Outfits'.  Now, being the OCD organization person I am, I already do this with my Emergence viewer, I save Folders of premade outfits.  This basically copies everything from my skin to my shoes into a seperate folder (and if I have a no copy item I pretty much use it once for that outfit and never see it again), and leaves the original clothing item in it's original folder.  But have a few of questions...

Does this new viewer have a feature using a 'linking' system, so I'm not making copies of any of my clothes, just linking them from the folder they are originally in?  This would cut down on my inventory amount substantially.  I mean I have hundreds of copies of my eyes and body shapes alone in these 'outfit' folders.  I would be able to wear my 'no copy' shoes etc. several times.  Can someone verify this?

If this is definite, than I would make a point to switch over.  As I don't really see that option in any other viewer.

This is kind of part II of my BIG problem of why I don't want to switch viewers, I could make another thread, but I will add it in here as it's really got nothing to do with the previous question.  Problem is I can solve it easily with Emergence, but for now I am stuck on my Viewer 2.5 trying to fix it.

Sometimes I get kicked out.  Okay, relog, right?  Well, everytime i get disconnected, I log in and three things happen.  I lose my ability to hear music.  My music options are turned on, I don't have to reset them, there is nothing I can do.  I cannot teleport anywhere either.  I try but end up getting disconnected.  No error messages sent out or anything.  The third thing that happens when I log in is that I recieve NO group messages, and there is no group chat available.  So I'm pretty much stuck in my house with no music, no way of getting out, and not able to follow my groups, nor get any information from these groups. 

My solutions has been to go into my preferences, 1. clear cache 2. clear inventory cache 3. clear browser cache 4. log out and then 5. disconnect my internet and then reconnect it.  A real pain but works 99% of the time.

Right now I was disconnected from viewer 2.  I couldn't find any cache to clear but 'cache location' then reset button.  This did NOT solve my problem.  It's been days and I have tried many combinations, manually trying to clear my cache from the Second Life folder on my hard drive etc.  I don't really want to go through so much every time I get booted.

Does any one know why this happens?  Is there a solution besides what I am doing?  And how would you fix it in the new viewer.  I haven't been able to play on the new one since this happened, and I'm rather disappointed.

 

Thanks!

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1) Yes the outfits folder only contains links to the original objects so you can have no copy items in many outfits too. In V2 I hate that swithcing outfits without detaching hair and HUDs is not easy (maybe I'm missing something) but in Phoenix at least when I click wear oufit on one of my outfits it only attaches the clothing.

 

2) The Official LL viewer is still very buggy and unstable many people report your same problem. Try a TPV V2 like Kirsten's Viewer and Dolphin 2, TPVs seem to be a lot more stable than the official LL one and updates are available with bug fixes regularly. 

 

ETA: If your #2 problem also occurs with other viewers like 1.24 then it might be your router, maybe time to replace it. 

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Do links cut down on your overall inventory count?  I wouldn't think so.  I thought that links were meant as a workaround to non-copy items, so you could use non-copy items in more than one outfit.

It isn't as though your inventory is made large by the size of the objects in it. It's the count. Your inventory really consists of pointers to objects in a database. Ten sets of eyes, ten houses, ten links... they are all ten.

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I use 2.5.2 now.  I run on an i7 with 6gig of ram and a gtx460 graphics card on a 64bit win7 OS.  I've never had a lick of trouble with it crashing, and my fps are (deservedly) great.  What SL wants more than anything else is CPU speed and Ram.  And as cheap as both are today, there's little reason to continue trying to run SL on a 1Ghz P3 with 1gig of ram. 

V2.0 had lots of problems, yes.  2.5.2 has far fewer ones.  And while the UI leaves something to be desired, the speed and reliability improvements under the hood are worth putting up with that.  Since 2.3, I have not crashed once.  Not a single time.

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okay interesting.  so my inventory count won't go down, i wondered about that, since you do have the 'outfit' in a different place.  i just somehow thought, in my mind, that the links wouldn't be 'real' things,   it's weird how one can think of a pixel object as an actual object.  lol. still, the ability to workaround the no copy things is great, and so is the multiple tattoo layers.

regarding the disconnecting, i have a good computer with a new video card.  i'm really thinking it's my internet connection, or as someone mentioned, my router.  it's four years old and perhaps time for an upgrade.  my reasoning is because i have to always restart my internet connection to get my music/teleporting abilities/chat back, like something isn't connected otherwise.

does anyone know of a solution to trying to get all that back on the new viewer, i'm still not able to get it to fully function and i've even tried restarting my modem.  i must have to reset or empty some hidden cache in the viewer?  ack!

 

thanks again for your replies.

 

 

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Anahata Love wrote:

okay interesting.  so my inventory count won't go down, i wondered about that, since you do have the 'outfit' in a different place.  i just somehow thought, in my mind, that the links wouldn't be 'real' things,   it's weird how one can think of a pixel object as an actual object.  lol. still, the ability to workaround the no copy things is great, and so is the multiple tattoo layers.

 

Well, yes and no. I suppose you could think of the links as separate objects, but they're really just pointers to the real thing and I don't think they have actual UUIDs. That means they don't really add to your count, even though you may see a few extra lines in some folders. They are like shortcuts on your desktop; pointers with no real identity.

 


regarding the disconnecting, i have a good computer with a new video card.  i'm really thinking it's my internet connection, or as someone mentioned, my router.  it's four years old and perhaps time for an upgrade.  my reasoning is because i have to always restart my internet connection to get my music/teleporting abilities/chat back, like something isn't connected otherwise.

 

I had exactly the same problem for a long time and it disappeared as soon as I replaced my router. The router worked fine for email and web surfing but SL was just too demanding for it. It was old and outdated. Routers are pretty cheap now and I think you'll be surprised how much better your connection will be.

 

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Paladin Pinion wrote:

 

Anahata Love wrote:

okay interesting.  so my inventory count won't go down, i wondered about that, since you do have the 'outfit' in a different place.  i just somehow thought, in my mind, that the links wouldn't be 'real' things,   it's weird how one can think of a pixel object as an actual object.  lol. still, the ability to workaround the no copy things is great, and so is the multiple tattoo layers.

 

Well, yes and no. I suppose you could think of the links as separate objects, but they're really just pointers to the real thing and I don't think they have actual UUIDs. That means they don't really add to your count, even though you may see a few extra lines in some folders. They are like shortcuts on your desktop; pointers with no real identity.

 

Actually no. Although they are links they do infact add one item to the inventory count. At least it does on Phoenix, and Kirsten's which I use both. 

 

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