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As the famous Times headline said about the small Chilean earthquake - not many dead.

Although the death toll is likely to increase beyond the leaders of the Labour, Liberal Democrat and UK Independence parties as socialists and reformers across the nation (or should that now be nations) slash their wrists as they recognise the moribund nature of socialism, even in a post-recession economy.

The main apparent winners, apart from Cameron, whose main campaign aim was to say nothing, so he could say nothing wrong, are the Scots, who will doubtless take their local landslide as approval to secede from the UK, thereby sparking an internal banking crisis as the new Scottish currency loses parity immediately against the Pound Sterling, and probably devalues by 50% when John Lewis marks up internet prices for customers north of the border, which they are currently not allowed to do.

Of course, the other main winners will be the English, who will cut off those moaning northern ninnies, who don't seem to have noticed that their recent comparative affluence was a result of North Sea Oil and Gas, the flow of which has now almost completely dried up. If only there was an equivalent of the San Andreas fault along Hadrian's wall, so Wales could float off towards the Atlantic, and apply for membership of the USA, or perhaps to become a principality of Argentina.

I realise that the globally dispersed participants of SL's forums are probably as disinterested as I am in British politics, but I thought I would update you so you might appear to be informed next time you venture out into the real world and come across a potential mate who has wasted their university time studying International Relations. If this post is useful, I am happy to accept contributions to the "Don't Vote - It Only Encourages Them" movement.

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It's the volatility of opinion in Britain that's frightening.  Just before the 2010 general election, the Liberal Democrats, who were traditionally the third party in Britain, were actually top in the opinion polls, briefly.  They ended up with 57 seats and went into the coalition government with the Conservatives, who then lacked an overall majority.  That was disastrous for the Lib Dems who have now lost most of their seats - only retaining 8.  And the pro-independence Scottish National Party has swept the board in Scotland despite losing the Scottish independence referendum last year.

 

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1.1 million vote Green. Result: 1 seat, minimal influence.

1.4 million vote SNP. Result: 56 seats, massive losses for Labour, and a shift in power beyond any in recent British politics.

(and UKIP got more than both parties combined)

 

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If they wanted to reform suffrage it isn't proportional representation that is needed.

Instead they should give one additional vote for every 10 points of IQ over 100, and disallow those with subnormal IQs from voting.

That would get rid of the entire UKIP vote, most of the Greens and the majority of the Scots..

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 Like too many of the 'sheeple' you clearly believe what you see on the tv and read in newspapers.

Even Cameron, an out of touch disaster who is more slick PR man than a political tour de force,  looked visibly surprised at the result.

Effectively, what happened was nothing to do with labels like left wing, socialism, etc etc, it was due to the power of the media outlets owned and controlled by the very rich...(whose wealth has doubled this last 5 years under this mendacious government whilst the poor have sufffered in the opposite direction.)

People were 'influenced' by the frighteningly transparent smears against the Labour party mixing it with the Scots (who at this precise moment are the only ones with any brains in this excuse of a democracy), and also at Ukip...who the controlling interests loathed for being a genuine, alternative voice to the illusion of choice that has plagued the UK for decades, and who campaigned against the out of touch westminster political elite.

Giving the £10 million Cameron wastes on being in europe each week back to the UK, would have built a lot of hospitals...as Ukip championed......putting it mildly!  Especially bearing in mind the savage cuts the tories used to attack  the most vulnerable in society under the flimsy lie that anyone on benefit was a lazy loafer, where the reality was the genuine system freeloaders were a minute percentage, even given IDS's bull**bleep** figures.  At least that other tory reptile, Ester McVey lost her seat....one tiny sliver of light in the darkness.

Immigration control is not racism. Yet, this lie, this constant media smear of racism at Ukip were seized on by the pc brigade, SNP, the clown like Greens,  and labour to the tories delight.

Farage underestimated the ruthlessness of the corporate media fatally.  He never joined in the negative campaigning, or defended his corner as robustly as he should. Again, to the torys delight.

Against the labour party (hardly a socialist party anymore, a centre left one at best; never forget the rich got richer under the last labout government like no other) the corporate media laid the lie that labour were responsible for the criminal banksters bankrupting the world in 2008. Labour may or may not have been profligate, but they did not cause the world wide recession.  Also according to Cameron and his cronies,  labour and those awful scots who see  the tories for the total scum they actually are, were going to join forces and dear old Blighty was going to be in a right mess.

Be under no illusion, this is a black day for 75% of the UK, many of whom stupidly believe when Camergoon talks about 'hard working families', he means them, when in fact he represents 10% of the population at best.

Many will rue before the year is out that they voted for the most heartless, venal, out of touch and elitist government I have experienced.  God help us all in the next 5 years.   

 

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Although the death toll is likely to increase beyond the leaders of the Labour, Liberal Democrat and UK Independence parties as socialists and reformers across the nation (or should that now be nations) slash their wrists as they recognise the moribund nature of socialism, even in a post-recession economy.

My oh my, when that pendulum swings.
 

 

... the Scots, who will doubtless take their local landslide as approval to secede from the UK, thereby sparking an internal banking crisis as the new Scottish currency loses parity immediately against the Pound Sterling,

 

Rumor has it the new currency will be trading as bitcoin.    You can bet on it!

 

Of course, the other main winners will be the English, who will cut off those moaning northern ninnies, who don't seem to have noticed that their recent comparative affluence was a result of North Sea Oil and Gas, the flow of which has now almost completely dried up.

 

This model worked perfectly well for the Greeks.  Pretty soon every nation in the EU will be looking for a handout from the Brits, Germans and French fries.  Me? I gave at the office.

 

If only there was an equivalent of the San Andreas fault along Hadrian's wall, so Wales could float off towards the Atlantic, and apply for membership of the USA.

 

Welcomes his Welsh friends.  I'll have a Martini ready. 

 

I realise that the globally dispersed participants of SL's forums are probably as disinterested as I am in British politics, but I thought I would update you so you might appear to be informed next time you venture out into the real world and come across a potential mate who has wasted their university time studying International Relations. If this post is useful, I am happy to accept contributions to the "Don't Vote - It Only Encourages Them" movement

 

Politics, and especially British politics interest me.  Jeez, it was only 70 years ago the British ruled the world! 

 

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ZoeTick wrote:

If they wanted to reform suffrage it isn't proportional representation that is needed.

Instead they should give one additional vote for every 10 points of IQ over 100, and disallow those with subnormal IQs from voting.

That would get rid of the entire UKIP vote, most of the Greens and the majority of the Scots..

Couldn't agree more.

Was watching "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on Challenge t'other day, and contestant went with the answer given by 80% of the audience when he felt the need to use his ask the audience lifeline. Needless to say, 80% of the audience were wrong.

I strongly suspected it is these 80% of sheeple (who offered that answer because they had been led by the ramblings made by the indecisive contestant) are the reason for the outcome from 7th May election.

Yes, 80% can be wrong.

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 Like too many of the 'sheeple' you clearly believe what you see on the tv and read in newspapers.

Even Cameron, an out of touch disaster who is more slick PR man than a political tour de force,  looked visibly surprised at the result.

Effectively, what happened was nothing to do with labels like left wing, socialism, etc etc, it was due to the power of the media outlets owned and controlled by the very rich...(whose wealth has doubled this last 5 years under this mendacious government whilst the poor have sufffered in the opposite direction.)

People were 'influenced' by the frighteningly transparent smears against the Labour party mixing it with the Scots (who at this precise moment are the only ones with any brains in this excuse of a democracy), and also at Ukip...who the controlling interests loathed for being a genuine, alternative voice to the illusion of choice that has plagued the UK for decades, and who campaigned against the out of touch westminster political elite.

Giving the £10 million Cameron wastes on being in europe each week back to the UK, would have built a lot of hospitals...as Ukip championed......putting it mildly!  Especially bearing in mind the savage cuts the tories used to attack  the most vulnerable in society under the flimsy lie that anyone on benefit was a lazy loafer, where the reality was the genuine system freeloaders were a minute percentage, even given IDS's bull**bleep** figures.  At least that other tory reptile, Ester McVey lost her seat....one tiny sliver of light in the darkness.

Immigration control is not racism. Yet, this lie, this constant media smear of racism at Ukip were seized on by the pc brigade, SNP, the clown like Greens,  and labour to the tories delight.

Farage underestimated the ruthlessness of the corporate media fatally.  He never joined in the negative campaigning, or defended his corner as robustly as he should. Again, to the torys delight.

Against the labour party (hardly a socialist party anymore, a centre left one at best; never forget the rich got richer under the last labout government like no other) the corporate media laid the lie that labour were responsible for the criminal banksters bankrupting the world in 2008. Labour may or may not have been profligate, but they did not cause the world wide recession.  Also according to Cameron and his cronies,  labour and those awful scots who see  the tories for the total scum they actually are, were going to join forces and dear old Blighty was going to be in a right mess.

Be under no illusion, this is a black day for 75% of the UK, many of whom stupidly believe when Camergoon talks about 'hard working families', he means them, when in fact he represents 10% of the population at best.

Many will rue before the year is out that they voted for the most heartless, venal, out of touch and elitist government I have experienced.  God help us all in the next 5 years.   

 

Hmm, you seem to have made the mistake of taking me seriously. Or perhaps it is just politics which you take seriously, which I certainly don't. Did you delay slashing your wrists simply so that you could post this?

You don't really think I would waste my time watching tv or reading newspapers when I could be getting insightful comment such as yours direct from the horse's arse mouth online. And of course I am on record as saying I don't believe everything I read online, so why should I make an exception for hyper-emotional unrealpolitik as opposed to cyber-feminazi propaganda which is much more prevalent, if not so amusing.

I am surprised that you haven't made the assertion that it is a minority government since only 25% of the population voted Conservative (which tallies neatly with your claim that it is a black - careful of that casual racism, particularly when your post seems to implicitly endorse UKIP's eugenic philosophies - day for the other 25%.

I am also surprised that you denigrate Cameron for being a "slick pr man" when he has obviously learned most of his moves from the Blair juggernaut which changed British politics from being based on class dogma to the equivalent of a Coke-Pepsi competitive advertising campaign based on lies and puffery - for calorie-free substitute content-free.

May I invite you to further expound on your belief that the Scots are rational, when they voted against independence less than a year ago, but have now resoundingly returned parliamentary representatives whose prime manifesto point is independence?

(By the way, I am all for building more hospitals; my involvement with PFI (Private Finance Initiative) projects is what has made me my fortune. Do you think you might persuade someone to build a few more, as I could do with another holiday home in the Caribbean.)

(I also believe in immigration control; in fact, like Gordon Brown - who broke the mould on fairness in taxation management in this respect - I believe in retrospective legislation, and would like to return all those descendants of Anglo-Saxons, Gauls, Scandinavians and shipwrecked monkeys Iberians back to the continent so that we Celts and Picts can enjoy our island in peace.)

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DejaHo wrote:

Politics, and especially British politics interest me.  Jeez, it was only 70 years ago the British ruled the world! 

 


I am afraid my attitude to politics is tainted, being a development of this classic (or should that be classist) "joke" about the difference between students from London, Oxford and Cambridge Universities.

The London student walks down a street as if he owns it.

The Oxford student walks down a street and probably does own it.

The Cambridge student walks down a street and couldn't care a ***bleep*** WHO owns it.

Guess my alumni status...

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Marigold Devin wrote:

Yes, 80%
can
be wrong.

A billion flies eat cow dung every day.

It still doesn't smell good to me.

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Marigold Devin wrote:

Yes, 80%
can
be wrong.

A billion flies eat cow dung every day.

It still doesn't smell good to me.

If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

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You may well be on the police's list, Marigold, but there are likely to be another 30 million possible suspects.

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You may well be on the police's list, Marigold, but there are likely to be another 30 million possible suspects.

Unreassuringly reassuring 

still can't drive these forums

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If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

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ZoeTick wrote:

next time you venture out into the real world

Please explain... what's a "real world" and what does "venture out" mean?

...Dres *is completely confused by these new concepts*

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Dillon Levenque wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:


If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

While I do find what Marigold wrote to be quite contentious, I wouldn't necessarily write her off as unworthy of any sort of respect.  Most people who are politically conscious and human have fantasized about the destruction of their political adversaries.  It's not difficult to understand that someone, when highly emotional, would blurt out or write that they wished such-and-such would just die, without actually advocating that something of the sort should actually take place.

I have no idea how Marigold actually feels, but, I've known her long enough to be able to give her the benefit of the doubt and understand that she probably wouldn't actually advocate for the death of a fellow human being simply to prop up her own political position... maybe that's just me.

...Dres

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ZoeTick wrote:

 

Although the death toll is likely to increase beyond the leaders of the Labour, Liberal Democrat and UK Independence parties as socialists and reformers across the nation (or should that now be nations) slash their wrists as they recognise the moribund nature of socialism, even in a post-recession economy.

My oh my, when that pendulum swings.
 

 

... the Scots, who will doubtless take their local landslide as approval to secede from the UK, thereby sparking an internal banking crisis as the new Scottish currency loses parity immediately against the Pound Sterling,

 

Rumor has it the new currency will be trading as bitcoin.    You can bet on it!

 

Of course, the other main winners will be the English, who will cut off those moaning northern ninnies, who don't seem to have noticed that their recent comparative affluence was a result of North Sea Oil and Gas, the flow of which has now almost completely dried up.

 

This model worked perfectly well for the Greeks.  Pretty soon every nation in the EU will be looking for a handout from the Brits, Germans and French fries.  Me? I gave at the office.

 

If only there was an equivalent of the San Andreas fault along Hadrian's wall, so Wales could float off towards the Atlantic, and apply for membership of the USA.

 

Welcomes his Welsh friends.  I'll have a Martini ready. 

 

I realise that the globally dispersed participants of SL's forums are probably as disinterested as I am in British politics, but I thought I would update you so you might appear to be informed next time you venture out into the real world and come across a potential mate who has wasted their university time studying International Relations. If this post is useful, I am happy to accept contributions to the "Don't Vote - It Only Encourages Them" movement

 

Politics, and especially British politics interest me.  Jeez, it was only 70 years ago the British ruled the world! 

 

.

 

You are PJ O'Rourke and I claim my $5!

In other news . . . has anybody seen Larry recently?

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Dresden Ceriano wrote:


Dillon Levenque wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:


If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

While I do find what Marigold wrote to be quite contentious, I wouldn't necessarily write her off as unworthy of any sort of respect.  Most people who are politically conscious and human have fantasized about the destruction of their political adversaries.  It's not difficult to understand that someone, when highly emotional, would blurt out or write that they wished such-and-such would just die, without actually advocating that something of the sort should actually take place.

I have no idea how Marigold actually feels, but, I've known her long enough to be able to give her the benefit of the doubt and understand that she probably wouldn't actually advocate for the death of a fellow human being simply to prop up her own political position... maybe that's just me.

...Dres

Cameron has been brain-dead for years. Switching off whatever android mechanisms are maintaining a facsimile of "life" might be considered a mercy-killing.

Then we could have William Hague as temporary leader! For ten years?

It could be worse; there is a rumour that the other Milliband will replace his brother as Leader of the Defeated.

There is another rumour that the Steve Miller Band will be invited to join the Shadow Cabinet, with this as the new Labour theme song:

Ooops, sorry, that was Tony Blair's Mission Statement, wasn't it...

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ZoeTick wrote:

You are PJ O'Rourke and I claim my $5!

In other news . . . has anybody seen Larry recently?


 

 

"For one thing, telling the candidates apart. To American eyes and ears David Cameron, Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and even Nigel Farage had the same accents, same suits, same gestures - four British Mitt Romneys. We too had a Mitt Romney, but we could tell him apart from Barack Obama. Of course, I could tell the difference between the men and Nicola Sturgeon. Nicola bore a strong resemblance - not least in the demands she intended to make on Ed Miliband - to my ex-wife's divorce lawyer."

Imo, all you Brits look alike.

 

Re: Larry      :|

 

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Imo, all you Brits look alike.


When it comes to mainstream politicians, I can't argue with that. I can't tell them apart any more.

The only difference seems to be which subgroup of our population they target most promises (a.k.a. lies) at.

There isn't one of them that actually gives a hoot about the people they supposedly represent.

A not-quite-quote from someone I can't quite recall: "The very worst people to have as leaders, are those who strive the most to be your leaders."

It's close enough.

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Vulpinus wrote:

A not-quite-quote from someone I can't quite recall: "The very worst people to have as leaders, are those who strive the most to be your leaders."

It's the political version of Catch#22 - anybody who actually wants to be a politician should be prevented from being one.

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Dresden Ceriano wrote:


Dillon Levenque wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:


If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

While I do find what Marigold wrote to be quite contentious, I wouldn't necessarily write her off as unworthy of any sort of respect.  Most people who are politically conscious and human have fantasized about the destruction of their political adversaries.  It's not difficult to understand that someone, when highly emotional, would blurt out or write that they wished such-and-such would just die, without actually advocating that something of the sort should actually take place.

I have no idea how Marigold actually feels, but, I've known her long enough to be able to give her the benefit of the doubt and understand that she probably wouldn't actually advocate for the death of a fellow human being simply to prop up her own political position... maybe that's just me.

...Dres

 

I might have over-reacted, Dresden. Marigold lives in a nation that may have never seen a head of state assassinated. It's been more than four hundred years since they've even had one executed by quasi-legal proceedings. The very idea of assassination may seem mere fantasy to her.

You and I live in a country that has had four heads of state murdered in less than 200 years, to say nothing of many assassinations of lesser political figures—a sitting or former governor in your state, a presidential candidate in mine. That kind of talk here is not considered acceptable joking: it's happened for real too damned often.

Your tolerance does you credit.

 

 

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ZoeTick wrote:


Dresden Ceriano wrote:


Dillon Levenque wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:


If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

While I do find what Marigold wrote to be quite contentious, I wouldn't necessarily write her off as unworthy of any sort of respect.  Most people who are politically conscious and human have fantasized about the destruction of their political adversaries.  It's not difficult to understand that someone, when highly emotional, would blurt out or write that they wished such-and-such would just die, without actually advocating that something of the sort should actually take place.

I have no idea how Marigold actually feels, but, I've known her long enough to be able to give her the benefit of the doubt and understand that she probably wouldn't actually advocate for the death of a fellow human being simply to prop up her own political position... maybe that's just me.

...Dres

Cameron has been brain-dead for years. Switching off whatever android mechanisms are maintaining a facsimile of "life" might be considered a mercy-killing.

Then we could have William Hague as temporary leader! For ten years?

It could be worse; there is a rumour that the other Milliband will replace his brother as Leader of the Defeated.

There is another rumour that the Steve Miller Band will be invited to join the Shadow Cabinet, with this as the new Labour theme song:

Ooops, sorry, that was Tony Blair's Mission Statement, wasn't it...

Wasn't I reading on another thread not so long ago, about those "rules of the internet" (or something) - rules of forums - about how humour doesn't translate well.

I fell off my chair part-laughing and part-wincing at the thought of William Hague being in charge of the C party.

To Dres - right on! What you see is how I see myself to be.  And on Friday, after the UK elections, I was very emotional.  I have tried to keep uninvolved with politics largely, but as this man and his party have hurt my family in serious ways, I hoped not to have to dread the next four years. (Still emotional I am - and bleddy well talking like Yoda too!)

 

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Dillon Levenque wrote:


Dresden Ceriano wrote:


Dillon Levenque wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:


If I write here that I hope someone assassinates Cameron, smug tw4t that he is, if he does get assassinated, will they be looking for me ... or my avatar?

(edited for spacing)

 

Wow. Thank you for so emphatically taking yourself off the list of people I respect.

While I do find what Marigold wrote to be quite contentious, I wouldn't necessarily write her off as unworthy of any sort of respect.  Most people who are politically conscious and human have fantasized about the destruction of their political adversaries.  It's not difficult to understand that someone, when highly emotional, would blurt out or write that they wished such-and-such would just die, without actually advocating that something of the sort should actually take place.

I have no idea how Marigold actually feels, but, I've known her long enough to be able to give her the benefit of the doubt and understand that she probably wouldn't actually advocate for the death of a fellow human being simply to prop up her own political position... maybe that's just me.

...Dres

 

I might have over-reacted, Dresden. Marigold lives in a nation that may have never seen a head of state assassinated. It's been more than four hundred years since they've even had one executed by quasi-legal proceedings. The very idea of assassination may seem mere fantasy to her.

You and I live in a country that has had four heads of state murdered in less than 200 years, to say nothing of many assassinations of lesser political figures—a sitting or former governor in your state, a presidential candidate in mine. That kind of talk here is not considered acceptable joking: it's happened for real too damned often.

Your tolerance does you credit.

 

 

As we all know, Dillon, (and some of us should know better by now - and by that, I do mean me, especially after the upset I caused a certain Greek gentleman not so long ago by a throwaway remark I made to my ex-partner - blah blah blah, really too tired and intolerant of myself in this moment to recap fully) ... as we all know, often things do not translate well when written in text on forum pages. 

While I don't come on the forums to be validated, or to earn (or lose) respect, I will admit that my use of the word "assassinated" was the wrong choice of word, especially given the American history.  Assassinated is not a word that really gets used much here in the UK, so it may/does have a different connotation. 

I would not go out of my way to offend anyone really (although it does seem to be a natural gift that I have).

Marigold lives in a world full of butterflies and rainbows. Alas, the real life person who sometimes dusts Marigold off and whirls her around the internet lives in a far harsher one where the games that political leaders play with us lesser minions are far from fun.

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

 

I might have over-reacted

 

Surely not...

(Got to keep that role play going, eh.)


Dillon Levenque wrote:
 I live in a country that has had four heads of state murdered in less than 200 years, to say nothing of many assassinations of lesser political figures—a sitting or former governor in your state, a presidential candidate in mine. 


Whereas Marigold and I live in a considerably more civilised country where they don't allow access to guns to dangerous morons.

 

 

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