Skill Gaming Policy Thread

[Katarina Foxtrot]

I meet all the criteria . I am a premium member. I have credit card on file. I am age varified and live in Australia. So why am I not able to enter a Gaming region? 

 

[Caspian Pexington]

you're a jerk, imo

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Phil Deakins wrote:

What makes a gaming sim preferable to hang out in that other sims?

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Are you stupid, Phil? (I think not)... Obviously, Caspian's partner, Mark, likes gaming and Caspian enjoys hanging out with him while he does it.

Perhaps Caspian should set up a non-pay-in game on thier private parcel, then offer him certain activities in lieu of monetary consideration, should he win big.

...Dres (or maybe they should just go f*ck.)

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

you're a jerk, imo

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He certainly can be... but then, can't we all?

...Dres

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

Well that sucks. Thanks Florida! ppfftt.

 

My guy is in Texas and we like to go to this gaming sim to play and hang out. Is there not a way for me to just go there and hang out but not play? Can they not set it up to where it doesn't entirely block me (others) from the sim, but just blocks us from playing the machine? Seems ridiculous to alienate entire states from gaming sims when they could let us hang out and just block us from playing the game or playing but our winnings go back into the pot. 

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This is an interesting idea Caspian, to block payment when on a gaming sim if you're not qualified. I imagine it wouldn't be terribly difficult to apply the same logic that prevents the non-qualified from entering a sim to disabling the "Pay" function. But then everything is easy in my imagination.

[Lisa Pye]

Be nice, if it actually worked though. I'm in a legal state, but my ISP most of the time routes me through one that isn't legal, sometimes it doesn't. So I can't get onto skilled gaming Sims most of the time. I don't play them that often, but I would like to be able to when I do want to.

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Lisa Pye wrote:

Be nice, if it actually worked though. I'm in a legal state, but my ISP most of the time routes me through one that isn't legal, sometimes it doesn't. So I can't get onto skilled gaming Sims most of the time. I don't play them that often, but I would like to be able to when I do want to.

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This is Linden Lab and, as such, things not working upon implementation is rather par for the course. Alternatively, if your ISP insists on routing you through other states, either tell them to cut it out or find a new ISP.

...Dres

[Phil Deakins]

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

you're a jerk, imo

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Why? Because you want LL to jump through hopps just so that you can hang out in gaming sims? I suggested the very simple alternative of hanging out in non-gaming sims. Who did you say the jerk is?

[irihapeti]

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

Well that sucks. Thanks Florida! ppfftt.

 

My guy is in Texas and we like to go to this gaming sim to play and hang out. Is there not a way for me to just go there and hang out but not play? Can they not set it up to where it doesn't entirely block me (others) from the sim, but just blocks us from playing the machine? Seems ridiculous to alienate entire states from gaming sims when they could let us hang out and just block us from playing the game or playing but our winnings go back into the pot. 

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This is an interesting idea Caspian, to block payment when on a gaming sim if you're not qualified. I imagine it wouldn't be terribly difficult to apply the same logic that prevents the non-qualified from entering a sim to disabling the "Pay" function. But then everything is easy in my imagination.

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it could be done by adding Skill Gaming to the G M A access list. To get it enabled then user has to declare on signup their RL location. No declaration then no access.  Is a bannable offence to false declare this. The onus then on the user in terms of personal use of the system

LL continue with operator licensing method as per the current policy bc of the way the RL laws are constructed in some jurisdictions of the world

 

[Lisa Pye]

I live in a really rural area. I'm lucky I have the high-speed service I got that isn't satellite or WiFi. So switching isn't an option.

[Lisa Pye]

But don't you already declare your RL location when you give your billing information? Specially with a credit card like I used, since the payment Information has to match the card information.

[Perrie Juran]

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Lisa Pye wrote:

But don't you already declare your RL location when you give your billing information? Specially with a credit card like I used, since the payment Information has to match the card information.

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Your billing address is not necesarily the same as the address of your residence.

So IP must be getting taken into account also.

[Caspian Pexington]

Yes that is exactly right. We like hanging with a certain group of people at a certain place and play greed. We do hang out at other places but there is a reason we like to hang out at this place on particular nights. It's not just for the gaming. It's for the company. I can't exactly say hey everyone, I can't play so let's all go hang out someplace else. 

 

But yes, if we did decide to play a non-paying game on our own private lot, you can bet your ass he would win something other than money hehe but he can get a piece of this any day of the week lol

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

But yes, if we did decide to play a non-paying game on our own private lot, you can bet your ass he would win something other than money

hehe but he can get a piece of this any day of the week lol

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Well now, I seriously doubt anyone would be able to beat those odds on a gaming sim... no matter how skilled they are.

...Dres

[Addison Freese]

if that is the case then why cant I go to one of the gaming places,  I have  had payment into a long time, even deleted it as instructed and re entered the info and bought a few lindens, and I am age verfid but have not been able to enter any of the Skilled Gaming area's, I am not a premium member, so other then that why can't I go play,  Also dont live in one of the States that is banned.  Ty

[Phil Deakins]

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Caspian Pexington wrote:

Yes that is exactly right. We like hanging with a certain group of people at a certain place and play greed. We do hang out at other places but there is a reason we like to hang out at this place on particular nights. It's not just for the gaming. It's for the company. I can't exactly say hey everyone, I can't play so let's all go hang out someplace else. 

 

But yes, if we did decide to play a non-paying game on our own private lot, you can bet your ass he would win something other than money

hehe but he can get a piece of this any day of the week lol

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If that's the case, there are plenty of greedy Greedy tables around that aren't in gaming sims. (If they've been updated, they are legal everywhere. Any that haven't been updated are now illegal everywhere).

[Carl Thibodeaux]

I got a random question. The list on the policy isn't updating...

But, Say i find a skill gaming sim such as this..

 

Even if the policy page isn't updated.. is it safe to play here as its been switched over?

[Dresden Ceriano]

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Carl Thibodeaux wrote:

I got a random question. The list on the policy isn't updating...

But, Say i find a skill gaming sim such as this..

 

Even if the policy page isn't updated.. is it safe to play here as its been switched over?

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I don't see why not.  After all, if it wasn't approved, it wouldn't be listed as such.  Its not being on the list on the site simply being an oversight, is not outside the realm of possibilities... it is being managed by LL, after all.

...Dres

[Perrie Juran]

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Dresden Ceriano wrote:

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Carl Thibodeaux wrote:

I got a random question. The list on the policy isn't updating...

But, Say i find a skill gaming sim such as this..

 

Even if the policy page isn't updated.. is it safe to play here as its been switched over?

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I don't see why not.  After all, if it wasn't approved, it wouldn't be listed as such.  Its not being on the list on the site simply being an oversight, is not outside the realm of possibilities... it is being managed by LL, after all.

...Dres

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That's an interesting point.  You can own a Skill Region (I'd guess for the purpose of renting) without being an Operator.  The FAQ do make a distinction.

 

I own a region and would like it to be converted to a Skill Gaming Region. What do I need to do?

• Submit a support ticket and pay the applicable maintenance fee.
• Skill Gaming Regions will begin rolling out in late July, 2014.
• Once your region has been designated a Skill Gaming Region, you will need to become an approved operator if you would like to operate games of skill on that region. For more details, please review the Skill Gaming Policy and application.

 

A question here would be if LL will tolerate a Skill Region Owner allowing an unapproved  Operator to set up shop.  I'm certain the Region owner would make it clear in their covenant.  They'd be foolish not to.

How **bleep** LL will be about someone unknowingly playing an unapproved game on an approved region we will have to see.

 

ETA:  Looking a little further, The Official Policy states:

5. Skill Gaming Regions

1. Each Region Owner of a Skill Gaming Region assumes responsibility for verifying that all Skill Games operated in its Skill Gaming Region are operated by Operators approved by Linden Lab through the Skill Gaming application process. Linden Lab will maintain a list of Operators.

[Virtual Rae]

never posted on this forum, just hope with this publication alert the LL to the reality of the moment and the new TOS.

First, the LL should look at the avatars, not as puppets but as persons who are behind them.
Right now we have operators with years of games in second life, denied for reasons without any foundation, and worse, no answers to possible defense, after spending a few thousand dollars on lawyers.
We all know that LL is the law in second life, but according to the law, all people should have access to the accusations, to be able to defend themselves if they feel unjustly accused.

The new law on games of skill is being a failure, not because it is poorly made, but, to be being misapplied.
Listen to people who are "this side" of the games certainly have more favorable paths to all in the application of this new law.
Work to Years in second life, and costs see the games in second life to end, and in turn, a second life to fall apart due to poor implementation of this new policy.

 

"...everything can change when it recognizes the error..."

(translated by google)

[Stormie Windlow]

I absolutely agree that if Applicants are being rejected, after spending thousands of dollars on legal advice etc etc, then the least they deserve is an explanation as to why and how their application failed.   Although it does seem really unfair, its also not surprising.   There was always that possibility that some would spend a lot of real money, only to be rejected by Linden Labs.   Its a case of "you pays your money and takes your chance" but at the very least they should be entitled to, and expect, an explanation.

[Scary Jester]

why are regions full of games still on the grid not even with a stamp of approval on the land or the owner/operators

 

If the list is not being updated as sims and games and owners are approved, how is one to know whree its ok to game or not.

[Perrie Juran]

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Virtual Rae wrote:

never

posted

on this forum

,

just hope

with this publication

alert the

LL

to

the reality

of the moment and

the new

TOS

.

 

First, the

LL

should look at

the avatars

,

not as

puppets

but

as persons

who are

behind

them

.

Right now we have

operators

with years of

games

in

second life

,

denied

for reasons

without any foundation

,

and

worse,

no

answers to

possible

defense

,

after spending

a few thousand

dollars

on lawyers

.

We all know that

LL

is the law

in

second life

,

but

according to the law

,

all people

should

have access

to the

accusations

,

to be able to

defend

themselves if they feel

unjustly

accused

.

 

The

new law on

games

of

skill

is being

a failure

,

not

because it is

poorly made

,

but

,

to be

being

misapplied

.

Listen to

people who are

"

this side

"

of the games

certainly

have

more

favorable

paths

to all

in the application

of this new law

.

Work to Years

in

second life

,

and costs

see the games

in

second life

to end

,

and in turn

,

a

second life

to fall apart

due to poor

implementation of this new

policy

.

 

"...everything can

change

when it

recognizes

the error..."

(translated

by

google

)

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Can you point or link to any first hand accounts of this happenning?

I wouldn't be surprised if it did. 

But we 'love' the rumour mill. 

[Perrie Juran]

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Scary Jester wrote:

why are regions full of games still on the grid not even with a stamp of approval on the land or the owner/operators

 

If the list is not being updated as sims and games and owners are approved, how is one to know whree its ok to game or not.

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As far as I can see, LL is not providing a list of the Skill Gaming SIMs.

But you can always check "About Land."  It will clearly state that it is a "skill gaming region" for region type if it is registered with LL.

[Virtual Rae]

sorry but,not want to create controversy or generate comments about the case.LL, if interested, you know of whom I speak.

My message is for the sole purpose of trying to get to LL.
'm Standing, "as a spectator" to see how everything will end.