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A few months ago i bought the M3 Head and Avatar 2.0 body from Utilizator MP store , just to make a cool mesh boy anime avatar.
About 3 day ago i had some issues with many players on Adult Sex and BDSM regions , many of them complaining about my avatar and they told me if i don't stop they will report me. That seemed weird to me since my avatar looks clearly over 18 years old. I told them that I only watch hentan porn videos and since i can make an anime avatar in SL then why shouldn't try to make some hentai in SL. They also told me my avatar looks like a child because his head is too cute or 'made of sugar'. I asked them if they know what an anime is and they had no clue...Most of them also reported me but nothing happened , why ? Because my avatar looks over 18 years old. Two of the people i talked with IMed me after a few days and told me: " Oh ? Your account is still alive ?". I just don't understand these people.. I rarely find people like this but they are still annoying for this reason and some of them are zooming on my avatar having sex after they told me It looks childish..I honestly think they are jealous or they want some attention...

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Some people are very aggresive when it comes to the subject of sexual age play / child porn in SL.

Some times it is a subjective call when someone crosses the line.

But let's face it, a large bulk of Hentai is based on youthful looking charachters, under 18 years old (NSFW and NSFW ), which in some Countries you can be arrested for even viewing.

Whether you like it or not, that is the facts of life in Second Life.

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I don't know if it was your thread, but a while ago, someone complained that other people felt weird and uncomfortable, when his avatar was visiting adult hangouts and that he had to leave some of the places because of that. The avatar in question was an anime avatar as well.

So I took a look on that avatar on the marketplace and I had to admit that this avatar sure looked like an underage character from an anime. I'm familiar with animes, you could say I grew up with them. Many, if not most animes feature underage characters, because they are aimed at a younger audiance. Of course, there are adult characters aswell and some animes are geared towards adults, because of difficult stories, topics or violence/erotic content.

But if you look closely at anime, you will notice that there is a significant difference between the drawing style for animes that feature mostly young characters and those that aim for an adult look. And to be honest...the pictures you get when you search for the M3 head remind me more of the characters from a typical schoolgirl type anime. Tiny nose, round heads, giant eyes and and overall cute look that got pushed to the extreme. Those girls have babyfaces. If you combine that with a relativly small body and a not very curvy shape you end up with a disturbingly young look.

It does not matter if you intended to look like an underage avatar or not. It matters what the majority things. And when other guests feel uncomfortable or disturbt by your apperance, the staff members surely are in charge to ask you to leave. You also have to understand that any adult place has a strong interest in keeping itself clean from any sexual ageplay rumours, that may arise. Such things can kill a place.

 

Honestly? I'm not jealous nor do I need attention (I get plenty), but I can understand where those complains are coming from. I would have kind of a weird feeling too.... Hentai-producers can claim whatever age they want for their protagonists and often its quite questionable if the age of 18 is realistic for the way a character is drawn. I don't know what the law in Japan is like, but I highly doubt that it is as strict as in other countries regarding child pornography.

There is a reason, why they know "genres" like Lolicon and Shotacon. Disgusting, if you ask me.

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Al Jazeera had an interesting article on Japan outlawing real child pron. (age of consent laws and child porn laws dont match in many countries, a lot of that child porn is stuff where they are over the age of consent - legal to have sex, illegal to take a naked picture).

Generally in Japan though the artists there see their art as that, art not as porn. At worst a release.

One of the more reasonable views there and in the west too is that when the punishment for fake, pixel based child porn approaches that of real child porn then there is a small subset of people who will make that choice and search out/create the real thing.

In a horrific murder in Australia recently the trial ljudge made a comment along similar lines. Paraphrasing slightly: "When the punishment for raping a child is the same as murdering a child, or in some cases even more, then there will be a group of people who will go further to remain undetected, they know they are no worse off".

Contrast that to the view of a small and very vocal group of people in the western world and infesting SL who believe that even Bart Simpson naked can stoke a desire to move to harder things. (A person in NSW Australia was sent to jail for posessing Simpson porn)

 

OP...

Pixel-porn, SL Hentai/Shota is illegal in Canada, Britain, Germany, Holland and one state of Australia. Everyone must do their part to protect those players from accidentally being put at risk of jail time because they watched you doing the dirty as a pixel cartoon character. There are PG places you can go play in your M3 that are not Hentai, but it's been entrenched in SL since late 2007 that sexual ageplay in anything that looks even vaguely human child is evil, akin to raping and murdering a real child. The level of histeria is rather extreme at times.

You are fine if you add a snout and tail, babyfurs are exempt from accusations of paedophilia.

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Callum Meriman wrote:

Al Jazeera had an interesting article on Japan outlawing real child pron. (age of consent laws and child porn laws dont match in many countries, a lot of that child porn is stuff where they are over the age of consent - legal to have sex, illegal to take a naked picture).

Generally in Japan though the artists there see their art as that, art not as porn. At worst a release.

One of the more reasonable views there and in the west too is that when the punishment for fake, pixel based child porn approaches that of real child porn then there is a small subset of people who will make that choice and search out/create the real thing.

In a horrific murder in Australia recently the trial ljudge made a comment along similar lines. Paraphrasing slightly: "When the punishment for raping a child is the same as murdering a child, or in some cases even more, then there will be a group of people who will go further to remain undetected, they know they are no worse off".

Contrast that to the view of a small and very vocal group of people in the western world and infesting SL who believe that even Bart Simpson naked can stoke a desire to move to harder things. (A person in NSW Australia was sent to jail for posessing Simpson porn)

 

OP...

Pixel-porn, SL Hentai/Shota is illegal in Canada, Britain, Germany, Holland and one state of Australia. Everyone must do their part to protect those players from accidentally being put at risk of jail time because they watched you doing the dirty as a pixel cartoon character. T
here are PG places you can go play in your M3 that are not Hentai, but it's been entrenched in SL since late 2007 that sexual ageplay in anything that looks even vaguely human child is evil, akin to raping and murdering a real child. The level of histeria is rather extreme at times.

You are fine if you add a snout and tail, babyfurs are exempt from accusations of paedophilia.

Not quite sure where you get your info from.. Sexual ageplay is against US federal law, therefore not allowable in SL. Babyfurs are not exempt from this as a child av is a child av.

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Wow...one twisted mind right here...just...wow....

Oh and one additional piece of information:

- adding a tail and a pair of ears doesn't qualify an avatar as a furry. Furry characters are antromorphic animals, not humans with animal features.

- babyfur does not exclude you from age play and is itself a pretty nasty advice.

Last but not least I doubt that your "knowledge" about crime and pyschology is based on scientific research....so...I only see a dangerous person wanting childporn to be legal.

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Ok thanks for the warning. Honestly I didn't know that my avatar is taken as a child even if it looks like an adult or not ( my avatar was modded with different skin tones and make ups to make it look an adult) Thanks again , I wont use that avatar for any sexual contacts I will use it just to hang out with my friends.

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Hellos there!

 

As you can tell by my profile I'm very much into furry culture, and I'm an avid Anime watcher too, but I also know many people in SL of exotic Avatar body types, so I feel like I can adress this well.

 

First let me say this, US law has only declared real minors or any image made to look like an identifiable real minor in a sexual way is illegal, anyone posting that pixelated or drawn underage images are illegal as a whole (that are original works) don't know the laws at all as original characters NOT based on a real minor are a grey area right now, HOWEVER Linden Lab's has done a decent job of banning underage sex in their TOS and Community Standards, so for SL this part of the arguement is void and you cannot do it. (seriously who would want to? ewww)

 

Second, what makes an Avatar underage?

* some say its height, however defualt SL Avatars start at over 7 feet tall, and those of us who fix our shapes to correct size for a normal but short human suddenly become child-like so you can't judge by that.

* others say its how young the face looks but that is very subjective and un-enforcable with any level of fairness.

* finally some argue you should judge it by body type, but in the real world there are petite women with A-cups and small bums, and there are skinny guys that are more gentle looking, so again this attempt is invalid.

the only way is to read the profile of the person in question, consider all the above to a point but realize it could be a fantasy Avatar (like an elf) and look at what they are wearing (is it kid's clothes or are they holding a stuffed animal in their arms?) and how they are acting when they type/voice, if its clear they are on the borderline or go underage, then you have to boot them.

 

Anime characters with large heads/eyes are done to look youthful that is true, but its an art style and most are shown to be vary adult in their responsibilities, lifestyles, and even the kind of social issues they tackle nowadays, so saying a youthful look of a fictional design = underage is a pretty huge jump to make in logic.

 

Also being a furry does not change this stance, for the record I personally have found us furs are more careful about age representation and looking old enough than most humans and elves I hangout with and I have NO IDEA what the other poster was trying to say or get away with.

 

Personal note:

I find that being a half-breed between furry and human has always been an issue, not for someone thinking I'm underage but generally for being part furry, people seem to boot me from "General" or "Moderate" clubs on sight as they assume the old stereotype of "furry = pervert" is always true, and I for one am growing tired of it.

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Well Im not using that avatar for sex anymore i just used it two times. Also It was a tall avatar with adult clothing and demon wings. It also has a face make up to give the face a mature look. But i can't do anything about the bih eyes.. I deleted their texture and i raised up the glowing to 1.00. I used this avatar for sex too because it was looking pretty mature ( it also had oversized boobs lol.). And from what I've read in your reply I saw you said something about making Hentai videos in SL. No I never made them or posted them anywhere. Anyway as i said in my first reply I won't use this avatar for sex anymore.. Since there are people telling me it looks childish...Well I encounter these kind of people like 2-3 per year...

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I find it sad when even our imaginations are regulated to death. It's no wonder people go out and commit horrible acts upon one another, if I can't shoot you in a video game without serving time, might as well do it for real.

I love anime, furries, elves and all the exciting combinations in between the human and non-human and sub genre worlds. I sincerely feel bad for you that you can't make the "you" you want to be and do what you enjoy considering that is the main reason so many of us come here. I hope you find a happy balance.

As for all the icks, ewws and wth etc.. I can only say that even though we may not always approve of one anothers kinks, ideas and desires, we should be careful who we judge. Your kink could be the next one on the chopping block which suddenly makes your need to play with toes or cuddle with a blanket after sex a new reason to pay a fine or serve time. Yes we should all strive to uphold the law allowing us to remain a free society, however we should be careful not to roll over and play dead everytime someone decides your 'head' is too small.

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This is my Apeal to show how they are agressive with me.

Just to state, you're being reasonable, but I think is very agressive talk as If I'm braking laws.

I follow sl laws. 
I follow both countries laws.
That is my appeal. 

My chara is 18 more and sometimes wear male organs. (not so cute)
And her heigh is Big as average japanese adult.


I never ageplay in SL, and you see the result.
Talking about people over-stressed about doll like models. (yes anime/hentai)
Just because of doll eyes, and breasts size.
(For having no problems,
I don't do sex without big boobs anymore.)
Seems quite stupid, but I need
to look lusty Horny to enter in hentai places. 
(I do change to have to be sure I will have no mistake from my country side too.)

So please: Here in front of everone, be honest and don't come as if I'm breaking TOS as every brat there.
You're doing just the same as them.
When it comes to say I love hentai. Prejudice, prejudice, prejudice.

I'm following TOS carefully as sl asks. And if you see this everywhere.
I respect other fantasy, and reinforce allways the risks of breaking TOS.
I rejected many brats as partners, and they angry set those false reports, with that emotional reason.

I'm a senior programmer looking for a mature chat here. A mature talk.
Maybe the only one that really care about this.

This is a weight it seems endless. It gets worse.

Now I'm almost neurotic about.

So I know rules, laws. People get afraid of me, because I talk so much about.

I went bersek because those griefers where once surrounding me.

I was already bad with a common problem. being cheated with alternate or even simultaneous avatar.

But in the end, is actually sad that most otakus gave up sl, because of overweighted limit.

As you said, is personal limit landowners, not really a general second life limit.  

If we think some limits are a complete absurd. 

As If I buy a doll, I would be a pervert..

Even doing sex I would never hurt a human if I wear a flat-chest outfit for my lover?

PS: Flat chest girls are not children, and sometimes are Futanari.

I take so much care to make a cute avatar. As if is forbiden to be cute when older.

in microphones I've heard prejudice.

I was many times hearing **bleep**got, Niga, Pedo, on their mic, i turn of mics most of time.

Its a deception. I was just wearing anime.

The most crowded place, could be the best to find love.

Was also the best to find scum that begin to attack like some will do here, based on my likes and dislikes.

As we know overexagerated care turn innocent people into something bad.
Thanks to moderators I was not banned because
I'm the first to take care and be within safe lines.

Maybe  comes to make things better, with their localized laws or watever, maybe.

We need brainstorm. They must be already doing it.

Protect people, and integrity of sl at same time.

Is not rare to see people being agressive with me after my post.

I will stand up. I'm here. I'm Otaku, I love animes, and kawaii avatars.

I love also hentai. And I would promote hentai with discretion and limits.

Because there is not Real Life simulation involved, and most characteres are perfect modified according to each fantasy.

Its endless the wish of frustrated peple to control things.

The more they try control more mistakes they do.

Until their own son, be jailed because of a mere fantasy, that would never come real.

(I know we cannot do nothing about overexagerated laws of each contry but)

Nothing worst them being the center of prejudice, even when we keep within safe lines.

Most otakus having trouble in sl. 
It seems they see us as the same scum, just because we are NOT a cute girl in REAL LIFE that let them do what they want.

 

...My mind is too fast.  So I join two or tree different problems at time. Like when you read plotinus books:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plotinus I will take care of replacing different issues next post about my roleplay, taking care of finishing each line. Without atering the content.

bye bye

chinamini

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1... What?!?!?

2... Depictions of minors having sex in a digital medium is against Federal US law. End of discussion. No child sex.

3... What? your post is disjointed at best, written by a third grade non- english speaker at worst.

4... Huge dfference between Anime and Hentai. Huge. Children in Anime are ok.. Children in Hentai.. not even close.

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This is how I enter adult Hentai sites now.

I hope is fine, and I had breasts like that in real life, I wish to play without them in peace. But won't happen.
Is not your fault. Is just one appeal.

Big Breasts at Kawaii Cafe_002.jpg

 

HiFi is not secret anymore, and linden labs knows about.

Maybe  comes to make things better, with their localized laws or watever, maybe.

We need brainstorm. They must be already doing it. To protect people, and integrity of sl at same time.

 

I wished to give a chance to those that like me in all my past life I was thinking being too ugly on real life.

Generally they are cute enough. And those peple have the tones of persnality I like most.

But in the end it seems endeless risky to love someone without knowing them on webcam.

But  when we see is people hidden under masks to make grief of others, those are the ones that break laws, they have support as if they where clean, reporting others.

I was most the only one that not fall out the rules, just to be the one most judged.

Yes I like dramas. And for who don't care, fine.

Because I'm fine.

The more they try control more mistakes they do.

Until their own son, be jailed because of a mere fantasy, that would never come real.

We cannot do nothing about overestressed contry laws, they where exagerated because they need to show service.
I'm not against law, but is just like that. 
Is sad that the  innocent people , sometimes take the problem to them.
Things will change one day.

 Sorry repost some lines, my mistake...

thanks.

 

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