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Paro Gide

What Type of Games can you create that are not considered Illegal i.e. Gambling/Camping

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Similar to another discussion post "Second Life Jobs?", I was just brain storming on some ideas and came across that post which got me thinking, if I create a game the encourages competition, like Tringo, but where you have to pay a fee to play and the winner would receive a prize (cash or some in world object such as skins, hair, etc) would that be considered gambling?

Now take that same scenario and remove the "pay a fee to play" part and would that be considered camping?  It seems a little grey in this area and hopefully a Linden can shed some light on this (unless I am just blind and missed it while searching answers).

-XOXO-

Paro

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Thanks for the response DJ but according to the rule in the knowledge base:

"(1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner"

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"(2) provide a payout in (a) Linden Dollars"

So in the first Scenario with a game like Tringo that has some chance by randomly selecting a shape and if you win $L it would be considered gambling even though there is a large element of skill involved?  Or is this a blanket rule so it would be considered gambling.  If so I could understand that and it seems like a definitive answer for this scenario unless a Linden can clarify. 

The other part is, if I remove the element of the cash pay out, would it be considered camping then, especially if people are sitting around and playing it, like in Tringo?

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Paro -

I think that the CHANCE isn't the fact that its a random piece.. that is the logistics/specifics of the game piece, not the entire game. It requires "skill" and thus is player oriented. The random part is say, a sploder that you pay money into, and it pays out randomly. Now of course there are "sploders" in the game, and this is where scripters/creators find loopholes or i guess bend the rules. If you made your game freeplay, aka not paying out, then you could even make a blackjack table. As long as money doesn't come in/out from the game (other than the 1L which is returned to the player) then it is ok. But I'm still not 100% on all the rules. I think if you submit your script/idea to a linden, that would you know what is ok.

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Any object that rewards a resident with money or gifts for staying on a land parcel for a period of time is an illegal camping device because it causes the resident to spend time on the parcel waiting for the reward and there by games the parcel's traffic.  If the parcel is not listed in search then none of the above applies.   All those people who say that the traffic gaming rules only apply to bots are dead wrong.  Business owners are being targeted for any device that falls into that catagory and suspended for any resident who happens to stay too long on their property.  It's no wonder the SL economy is starting to falter.

--Cinn

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Hmmm, so if I make a game like Tringo, which is a skill based game that residence could play for hours (I know i have), then the Lindens would consider it camping?  I am not trying to point out what is good or bad about the rules, I just want to make sure I am in compliance with the rules before I invest the time and $L making something that would either get me banned or be removed.

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Well if Linden would revamp the search criteria to exclude traffic data, none of this would matter.  Until then, current interpretation of the rules are all over the map.  Malls with minimal camping are being hassled while bot farms and camping locations with dozens of spots remain open for business and high on the search listings

--Cinn

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Here's are some ideas

Chess.

Darts.

Pool.

Air Hockey.

All of these are games which can keep folks occupied for hours on end and are commercially available for relatively little.  So, if you are looking to skirt camping rules, get a couple of campers to play chess all day.  Of course, campers really want to get paid for being logged in while they surf for porn, so it will be hard to find campers who really play much chess.

There is quite a bit of poker out there.  I know some of them get around the gambling by having some form of currency that is only good in their league (like chips that do not cash out).  I host a poker game weekly, where nobody is required to pay to play, and the house provides a small prize (a thousand Lindens typically, although we have played a strip poker version for fun, too) for the winner.  Since there is no downside risk for the players, it is not gambling.  The purest form of gambling is slots or the lottery.  You put in money, and there is some chance that you will win more than you put in.  IMHO, without risk, chance, and reward, all three, it is not gambling.  If you want to get around the gambling rules, the only way I can think of is to have nobody put in any real stakes, or just play for fun.

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*sigh* I guess that does it for me then, I wont make something that multiple people can play and have fun on if it will cause land/business owners or even me to be banned or have my game removed, even if the intent is not to game the traffic system...its just to have fun but I do want to be compliant with LL rules.

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