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Your post is an example of trying to forcing an opinon on another. Force is not too harsh a word in my book. I think we can end your lengthy posts as my intial reply was to the OP and I do not care to carry on a grammar discussion in this thread with you. No need to explain the dictionaries and meanings of words, I am well aware how a word can be used and the meaning can go outside of the box of the norm. Have a nice time on the forums. Good day.

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Our discussion has had nothing whatsoever to do with grammar. Look that word up in the dictionary of your choice lol

I don't blame you for getting out of the discussion though because there is no way at all for you to show that 'opinion' and 'advice' mean the same thing, or are interchangeable, or are in any way alike.

Similarly, 'force' doesn't mean 'push' or anything like it. We can't force our opinions on people. We can push them though. Again, check the dictionary of you choice ;)

Oh, and 'harsh' isn't interchangeable with 'strong'. Just sayin'.

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Don't be so hard on Lesyonn, Phil.  It's perfectly understandable that a person who has to resort to redefining words, in order to prop up their argument, is the very same sort of person who's opinions are flimsy enough that they might honestly feel as if the simple act of stating one's opinion, somehow, equates to trying to force one's opinions on a weak-willed individual, such as themselves.  This is the very reason why I consciously chose not to respond to Lesyonn's nonsensical reply to me.  I do try to be merciful to new posters who, within the space of a few posts, have succeeded in nothing but painting themselves into a corner... something at which I sometimes fail miserably.

...Dres

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:


Celestiall Nightfire wrote:


Pussycat Catnap wrote:

Some of choose to live in fear (
and vote Republican).
Some of us don't.

 

Where are all these bad people?

Let's see...a week or so back...you made a nasty crack about Republicans, and here you're doing it again.  Are you capable of leaving prejudices, bias and hatreds out of your comments here on the SL forum Pussycat?

I'm curious.  As you seem to want other people to do so, yet I've noticed, you don't set the example.

BTW, this is the crux of what this thread is about.  Prejudices being expressed. 
Constantly
expressed.

Prejudice is judging before you know how something acts and thinks, based merely on what it is.

As such, there is no such thing as prejudice against an ideology. Ideolocial biases are not the same as biases against what people are.

Some oppose me here for what I say, how I say it, what my opinions are. I may disagree with them quite strongly, but that's my and their prerogative.

Only a very few have held bias against me for my race (RL or virtual), ethnicity, avatar choice, sexuality, or even religion (which IS an ideology but seen as an exception in modern wester civilization). Most of those people have long since been banned from the forums as I was not their only target.

Politics is in the realm of idea and opinion. Not in the realm of 'status'. Its part of 'who' rather than 'what'.

 

You should learn to distinguish between these two, as I gather you seriously dislike me, which is mutual, because we have violently opposing political ideologies. We live in a system which is in fact setup for the express purpose of us fighting each other and judging each other on that ground; as is the nature of any system that allows political freedom.

You could express that a lot better if you stopped confusing it with prejudice and bias.

 

There's a lot of people who vote Republican who don't necessarily agree with every aspect of the Republican agenda.  Therefore, when you lump them all in together, it does come off as seeming to be rather prejudicial.  It might serve you better to stick to speaking against the ideology itself, rather than a group of people who may not all share that ideology.

...Dres

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:

Celestiall Nightfire wrote:

Pussycat Catnap wrote:

Some of choose to live in fear (
and vote Republican).
Some of us don't.

 

Where are all these bad people?

Let's see...a week or so back...you made a nasty crack about Republicans, and here you're doing it again.  Are you capable of leaving prejudices, bias and hatreds out of your comments here on the SL forum Pussycat?

I'm curious.  As you seem to want other people to do so, yet I've noticed, you don't set the example.

BTW, this is the crux of what this thread is about.  Prejudices being expressed. 
Constantly
expressed.

Prejudice is judging
before you know
how something acts and thinks, based merely on what it is.

 

Which is exactly what you're doing with the constant insults and attacks on a huge-diverse group of people that you don't even know.  You make broad sweeping (insulting!) statements attributing traits and character behavior about people that you've never met.

I know you'd not like people doing that to you.....so why do you do it to others?!

 

 

 


Pussycat Catnap wrote:

As such, there is no such thing as prejudice against an ideology. Ideolocial biases are not the same as biases against what people are.

You haven't pointed out an ideology in your constant insults about Republicans.  You just make statements like this: 

 

 


Pussycat Catnap wrote:


Some of choose to live in fear (
and vote Republican).
Some of us don't.

 

Where are all
these bad people


 

You made a deliberate link to "choose to live in fear" and Republicans.   (Bad people?)   Who are these people that you refer to?  Do you seriously think that 44 + million people can all fit into your stereotypes?     Would you appreciate someone making constant insulting (and irrational) comments about Christians?  Or about Rastafarians?    Or any group (ideological) that you may belong to?   Or any ideological group that other people may belong to?  

 


Pussycat Catnap wrote:

You should learn to distinguish between these two,


You confusing some ideas here.  You're posting insults about a large group of people.  People that you don't actually know.  It's pretty much a constant in your posts.    So insults from you....are "opinions"?    Be careful using that defense, as it's one that others can use too!  *puzzled look*

 

I find your constant insults and irrational remarks about Republicans offensive.   Aren't you the person who said that people shouldn't hide behind the excuse that others shouldn't be insulted? 

 


Pussycat Catnap wrote:

I gather you seriously dislike me, which is mutual, because we have violently opposing political ideologies. We live in a system which is in fact setup for the express purpose of us fighting each other and judging each other on that ground; as is the nature of any system that allows political freedom.


Uh, you don't even know me.....so how can you dislike me?!       As for my 'feelings" about you, I do not like your constant stream of insults against a group that my parent's belong to.  Your inaccurate, and insulting remarks, are offensive.   As for you personally, I have no idea what you're like, as we've never met.  

(I somehow don't think that you'd go around making those kinds of remarks to people on the street, at the grocery, or at work.  So maybe this is an example of that "anonymous Internet" behavior that plagues forums and such)

I do agree that human society in general (not just our particular US culture) is geared toward fighting and judging each other.  But, I'd like to see society progress toward a future where we are judging people on their own actions, and not pre-conceived prejudges and hatreds.   A society where individuals are judged by what they do, not the behavior of a different and/or random person who may also belong to a broad group with which they associate.   Your methods are not conducive to that future. 

Basically, you're expressing a prejudice in your posts and writings.  Yet, you also don't want that done to you.   Perhaps the Golden Rule is something to revisit.

 

P.S.:  As always, I'm available inworld if you wish to discuss further.   I'm a rather slow typist, but make do if the other person is patient.  I also will happily speak in voice inworld. 

P.P.S:  Yes, I'm serious about the further communication, if you're ever inclined.  *smiles*

(Edited for typos and spelling!  : )

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Magnus Brody wrote:

It's been an interesting 24 hours.  Indeed I did want opinions, not just on my actions, but some discussion on child avatars in general.

 

In regard to some of the more considered opinions on my actions, I listened and agreed, and have since apologised to the avatar concerned for jumping to conclusions.  I said to her the reasons I jumped to those conclusions (her very quick leap from hello to want to do something later) but apologised nevertheless.  She has agreed there was room for misunderstanding her approach and has accepted my apology, and invitation back to the sim.

 

 

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What a refreshing person you are. I hope your young visitor and yourself will continue to develop the mutual respect. Maybe it has taught her something about her approach to adults - not everyone has good social skills, these come with life experience more than age, of course.

Magnus Brody wrote:

I was also mocked for being neurotic in an attempt at some irony, which backfires for two main reasons, one being I did not paint the avatar concerned to be neurotic in any way, so I've no idea where this thought came from, and the other being that if British men are just a little neurotic, paranoid and feel some guilt by gender association presently, it will be because they agree and at the same time are horrified and terrified of the backlash to the widely reported, daily and unending, details of high public profile abuse cases which are neverendingly broadcast in the UK at the moment.  Terrified in case they are ever falsely accused, or approached by a 13yo for example.

 

Many of the abusers involved are my generation's most trusted childrens' television personalities and not all of them fit the "yeah, I always knew there was something weird about him" type.  One or two are hugely surprising, so the mood in the UK is "OMG!  If he can do it, like anyone, anyone...."

 


Oh its such a horrible period we are living through. I believe a whole lot of these "abusers" - the children's TV personalities who are currently up in the dock - have done nothing wrong.  Times were different; now we are no longer allowed to randomly hug. Where my mother or aunties would encourage us to give a friendly kiss on the cheek of the local butcher or fishmonger, and he could give us a friendly kiss back, this would be seen as abuse now.

Ridiculous in my opinion - the world has gone mad.

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I am very glad you have been able to listen to (and laugh at some of) the advice posts offered to you here.

 

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Phil Deakins wrote:


Dillon Levenque wrote:

However, since Maddy has begun a derailing operation 

HEY! Maddy is not the one who began a derailing operation, and she cannot take any credit for it. Derailing occured with the "roleplaying" sidetrack long before Maddy even got steam up. So credit where it's due, if you please, and praise Freya and someone else whose name escapes me at the moment (not me). I'm watching you very carefully, Dillon, so be very careful 
;)

 

Sorry, Phil. I couldn't really alter my post giving the credit to Maddy without destroying the whole continuity of the derail of your derail, now could I?

I did edit my post slightly in your favor. Best I could do.

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I know I'm old, Dillon, but not old enough the have been the mentor of Pancho Villa - not quite, anyway. Still, I'll put it down to an honest, albeit misguided, attempt on your part at setting the record straight, and leave it at that :)

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KlistiesSeMio Ewinaga wrote:

SL Kids are RL adults, so I'm at a loss where this 'not okay' factor is supposed to come in.

 

It's not for me to decide what's okay for anyone else. If they like it - whatever. I don't have to. That said, even though they may - and I use that term loosely - be RL adults, they come to SL to play the role of a child and engage in childlike things that I, as a RL and SL adult, have no interest in and want no part of. I don't have to like what they do - but I don't have to be around them, either. Vice versa.

They talk about stuff from when they were born IRL most times - movies, music, games, cars, whatever. Your interests are their interests. They are just smaller.

I would not strike up a conversation with a random kid about these kinds of things in RL and I would be very leery of anyone who did, where my own kids are concerned. Why would I do it here? <blockquote.

I never said people who avoid kid avis are pedos - I said the ones who hate kid avis often think the kids themselves are sick.

 

No, that's not what you said. Scroll up and read your previous comment where I first replied.

Mostly Kid avis just want to be treated fairly. People walk around with sneers or make rude comments when a kid avi is out alone (shopping, usually). There's just a lot of unnecessary hatred because people don't "get it". It's the same for the Furry community. People don't understand it, so they are hateful.

Yeah, that's unfortunate, but at the same time - people like me don't do this. Instead, they choose simply not to be around kid avatars and that's the end of it. But that's not good enough. They demand (on these forums, at least) complete and total acceptance from everyone, based on their right to choose there own path in SL. The rest of us also have the right to choose our own path in SL and if we choose not to be around kid avatars, deal with it.

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Syn Anatine wrote:


Senobia Xenga wrote:


Syn Anatine wrote:


sirhc DeSantis wrote:

A 'why what did I do' reaction? I might consider that if I was dealing with an actual 13 year old as it would be resonable enough - in different circumstances perhaps - but not to another supposed adult. Can't have it both ways.

Are you for real? We never stop learning, and any sensible adult would be curious as to why they have offended someone out of the blue. An inquiring mind is a treasure, and asking never hurts whether there's an answer or not. 

Just because we're adults doesn't mean it's not proper to ask the famous question of 'why'.

And when given your answer as to "why", you get butthurt because, in your mind, the reason is not valid because it doesn't jive with your own views. Then you turn around and draw conclusions and hurl accusations just like the ones you're speaking out against. 

If you were an adult with the mentality of an adult, you would realize that people's likes and dislikes are as wide and varied as they are and accept that as your answer without bemoaning other people who don't agree with you.

 

You get an A in assuming and an A+  in putting words into my mouth.

Unless that was a general you, then you get an A+ in assuming anyway.

I think it's a fair assumption, based on your comments in this thread. And the words I put in your mouth - or used against you, as it were - were your own.

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Senobia Xenga wrote:

I never said people who avoid kid avis are pedos - I said the ones who hate kid avis often think the kids themselves are sick.

 

No, that's not what you said. Scroll up and read your previous comment where I first replied.


 In all fairness, that pretty much is what Klisties said...

 


KlistiesSeMio Ewinaga wrote:

To them, since everything has an underlying sexual nature, they can't possible conceive any reason why an Adult like themselves would like to play a child, and their mind immediately goes to "they must be a pedophile".

...Dres

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Dresden Ceriano wrote:


Senobia Xenga wrote:

I never said people who avoid kid avis are pedos - I said the ones who hate kid avis often think the kids themselves are sick.

 

No, that's not what you said. Scroll up and read your previous comment where I first replied.


 In all fairness, that pretty much is what
Klisties
said...

 

KlistiesSeMio Ewinaga wrote:

To them, since everything has an underlying sexual nature, they can't possible conceive any reason why an Adult like themselves would like to play a child, and their mind immediately goes to "they must be a pedophile".

...Dres

There are people who think that even a painting of a nude baby in Classical Art is pornography.  Link (pops)

Personally I don't get it, but that is their view.

(this post is meant more in general, not as a reply to Dres)

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Senobia Xenga wrote:


KlistiesSeMio Ewinaga wrote:

SL Kids are RL adults, so I'm at a loss where this 'not okay' factor is supposed to come in.

 

It's not for me to decide what's okay for anyone else. If they like it - whatever. I don't have to. That said, even though they may - and I use that term loosely - be RL adults, they come to SL to play the role of a child and engage in childlike things that I, as a RL and SL adult, have no interest in and want no part of. I don't have to like what they do - but I don't have to be around them, either. Vice versa.

They talk about stuff from when they were born IRL most times - movies, music, games, cars, whatever. Your interests are their interests. They are just smaller.

I would not strike up a conversation with a random kid about these kinds of things in RL and I would be very leery of anyone who did, where my own kids are concerned. Why would I do it here? <blockquote.

I never said people who avoid kid avis are pedos - I said the ones who hate kid avis often think the kids themselves are sick.

 

No, that's not what you said. Scroll up and read your previous comment where I first replied.

Mostly Kid avis just want to be treated fairly. People walk around with sneers or make rude comments when a kid avi is out alone (shopping, usually). There's just a lot of unnecessary hatred because people don't "get it". It's the same for the Furry community. People don't understand it, so they are hateful.

Yeah, that's unfortunate, but at the same time -
people like me don't do this. Instead, they choose simply not to be around kid avatars and that's the end of it
. But that's not good enough. They demand (on these forums, at least) complete and total acceptance from everyone, based on their right to choose there own path in SL. The rest of us also have the right to choose our own path in SL and if we choose not to be around kid avatars, deal with it.

If this is the case, I'm curious as to why you decided to read this thread and post multiple times rather instead of just ignoring it.

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Yeps, you overreacted.   Poitical correctness has formed it's own poison within society, in general, not just SL.,

There was recently a real life experiment, where a little girl was positioned in a mall, and approached grown-ups of both sexes for help, saying she was lost, etc.   As I recall, I don't think any of the men helped her, because as one put it after having been stopped and informed it was a experiment for TV,  'if you a grown man is even seen talking to a little girl, these days,  it can be taken the wrong way'.

Had she asked you for virtual sex, then wow get onto the lab, but telling her her conversation was 'creepy' was a kneejerk reaction, which I suspect you already know hence your post.

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Hoshi Kenin wrote:

Poitical correctness has formed it's own poison within society, in general, not just SL.

Some recent RL "child porn" paranoia at Instagram raises a pretty high bar for kneejerk reactions. 

Don't you think the OP feeling "uncomfortable" is perfectly rational, surrounded by hysterics seeking witches to burn?

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Perrie Juran wrote:


.......................

There are people who think that even a painting of a nude baby in Classical Art is pornography....

Personally I don't get it, but that is their view.................


 

I dont get this either.   And covering up classic figures with figs and clothing? I dont get that.

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Qie Niangao wrote:


Hoshi Kenin wrote:

Poitical correctness has formed it's own poison within society, in general, not just SL.

Some
 at Instagram raises a pretty high bar for kneejerk reactions. 

Don't you think the OP feeling "uncomfortable" is perfectly rational, surrounded by hysterics seeking witches to burn?

Yes I do see why he had such a reaction, justified or not. Society has made men question how any interaction with females and children may be viewed. They now have to think about their own safety before getting concerned about others.

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