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Gor is a fantasy / sci-fi world where all women want to be sex-slaves and men run around dominating them.

Its... kind of peculiar...

Its author promoted the notion that was actually true of RL, but that 'feminazis' jealous of male anatomy deluded women into wanting equality.

In the Gorean premise, women either walk around chaste and dressed in Burqas or similar levels of cloth, or they are the slaves - who are nude... and 'useable by those who choose to partake'...

In Gor, if you kidnap a woman, beat here to a pulp, and rape her - she likes it and suddenly becomes a willing slave. Pretty sick stuff. The kind of stuff only GOP politicians running for election say...

There's plenty of 'adult fantasy' out there in the world, even fantasy where women, men, or both run around naked battling monsters and bouncing on each other's bits... but few of it is so... unusually sexist. I have no idea why THIS was the one that early SL chose to lock onto.

 It has a sci fi angle because its supposed to be set on a planet that is opposite Earth on the solar orbit (so we can never see or find it) - and that lizard people or something abduct people from Earth and bring them to Gor now and then. When they arrive on Gor, women suddenly lose much of their muscle strength and men all end up making 'Conan' look like a wimp... or become 'nancy boy' slaves for purposes similar to that of women slaves - but this last angle is rather unpopular.

Basically if the Taliban and the Republican party got together to write a 'XXX-fantasy novel... Gor would be the result.

 

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You forgot to mention the Panthers, Pussycat. A group of women, hiding in the wilderness, dressed in fur bikinis and acting like amazons. Basically Gors option to allow lesbian group sex fantasies and more "man catches and rapes woman"-fantasies.

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Gorean RP is based off a series of books by an author named John Norman. It's a male dominated society sort of around the Bronze age...no modern weapons, there are warriors and slavery is normal The books are fairly difficult to read, as Norman isn't really a competent writer, but a lot of people like them.

I might suggest a few things to check out on Gor..I did a bit of research a while ago as a friend of mine was a slave there.

http://www.thegoreancave.com/index.php

Here's a thread from a while ago all about Gor RP: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Role-Play/What-is-Gorean/td-p/1696277

And there's a forum about Gor in SL as well. http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php

Check them out and make your own decision about whether or not you want to participate in this kind of RP.

As for places to start, look for the Gorean Hub...people have told me that there some good information there (although others have told me it's a place where new girls get captured and thrown into the slave role).

It's not for everyone...I haven't played there at all, so I can't give you any additional information.

Good luck.

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I'd like to add that the few times I've ended up on a Gor sim, people have always been friendly and helpful. Can't say much about Gorean RP, never participated in that. It's very controversial, that's all I know. :)

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Syo Emerald wrote:

You forgot to mention the Panthers, Pussycat. A group of women, hiding in the wilderness, dressed in fur bikinis and acting like amazons. Basically Gors option to allow lesbian group sex fantasies and more "man catches and rapes woman"-fantasies.

Except that's not really correct.

In Gor, if a panther is captured and raped, she loves it and becomes a willing slave, wanted to be naked and raped repeatedly at her new master's discretion, having been 'raped' she has as such been shown that the 'lesbian' thing was delusion of sexual frustration from not yet having had a manly Gorean man rape her... These panthers are also physically weak by design and unable to use many normal weapons.

- That is what Gor says on them...

That kind of concept... ONLY exists in Republican party primary campaign speeches... Not even the Taliban stoops to that kind of logic.

 

Oh and, why does an alternative have to be equally gender-biased in an opposite way with the 'lesbian' angle? Why does SL erotic fantasy need ANY gender and/or sexuality bias?

And what's with the link that says 'nude = slave'? (Note how Panthers wear bikinis, also curious how Gor is so obsessed with three styles of female fashion each being assigned a specific mentality / moral presumption).

 

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Its unfortunate that only people who appear to have never participated (or have any desire to do so) in a Gorean RP have replied to you... It makes for a jaded first impression, but it's very true that Gor has a "freakish" reputation with many members of SL. 

That said, if you're looking for an emersive RP environment, its a fairly good one - very large with lots of options and roles to try out. Men and Women can both be "slaves", men and women can both be "Free". You play what you like and how you like. 

The general concept is from the series of books by John Norman, a cyclic writer who imagined a world just like ours on the other side of the sun, that tends to steal people from our current earth. They have technology that is controlled by "Gods" whom have only allowed medical advancements to pass into society. Sickness is rare and no one ages. Medical advancements are the only advancements, however, and everything else is basically out of a Conan adventure. 

The world is set up into a caste system where everyone has their place and role. 

There are many places that are very strict to the structure and laws of the books (You'll see 'BTB' a lot in those areas) - and others that loosely play "the general idea" of the books... both are fairly fun to play. You can also observe RP at various locations - simply search an area and pick up an observer tag. The players will ignore you and go about their business and its a good way to see if you might enjoy something like that. 

Good luck and have fun! :) 

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:

 

Basically if the Taliban and the Republican party got together to write a 'XXX-fantasy novel... Gor would be the result.

 

Pussycat, even though I am an active Gorean roleplayer, that quote is sheer genius .. Quote of the month for sure ..Thanks :heart:

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Where is all this coming from!  Gor is what you make it!  Whatever role you wish to play is up to you.  I have been in Gor for over 4 years!  I am not lesbian nor a sex kitten.  Play the way you want!  If you don't want be involved in a certain roleplay....Don't! Like most things in life in even this second one you are the one that decides what you wish and do not wish to be a part of! Btw, am a Panther...for now...just enjoy the game of Gor. I have met some good ppl and some not so great ppl.. Just like in RL!

 

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Crazy stuff, but I would partake if I was good at RP, all I can do is post general conversation style.

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I can see where the Gorean life style would suite men. I haven't gotten into it because I don't think it suits me and I can't see how a woman would want a man telling her what to do. I'm down for freedom and women's rights. 

But I do have submissive friends. I find them sane in most parts of their life even if I do wonder about their sanity in their submissive areas. But, that is my biases at work. They have made me curious about the submissive side of sexual behavior. 

In Second Life you can safely explore any of these life styles without the RL problems we run into when experimenting with what our peers may consider socially unacceptable. Quite often they will then try to force us to conform. This is something not possible in SL, the forcing. 

It is one of the more interesting aspects of Second Life that we can experiment in ways not possible or way too risky in RL.

 Audra points out one of the big problems in the forum and SL, the ignorant voicing opinions, which is why I can't say much more than to point out you can safely play with varied life styles in SL.

So as to whether you should try it, only you can answer that question. I can say it is safer to try it in SL than any other place I can think of. 

 

So, while you can you collect other people's opinions about the varied aspects of SL you can also find people actually exploring and participating in them. So, you can get first hand information and experiences and probably some real insights.. 

Of course you have the everyday RL problem of sorting out which people are being honest with you from those running an agenda. We have to sort out the mentally ill, ignorant, haters, prejudiced, and malicious, of which there seems to be an abundance in SL.

For instance what I am sure many consider witty: “Basically if the Taliban and the Republican party got together to write a 'XXX-fantasy novel... Gor would be the result.” I think it shows a lack of knowledge of RL politics and probably indicates an unwillingness to explore diverse ideas. After all it is the DNC and Democrat leaders that are pushing for acceptance of Sharia Law in America. (Reference) So, if any political party were to come up with the Gorean concept of forcing women into slavery, it seems the DNC is well on the way there. 

If you have never read Rules for Radicals, you can get it on Amazon. It is must read for anyone that has to sort propaganda from honest opinion. Progressives people are thought to accept a diversity of ideas for discussion. But, reading 'Rules' one can see that idea is only given lip-service by so called progressive leaders. All the tactics in Rules are designed to ridicule those with opposing opinions into silence and end discussion. Just pay atention to who uses tactics from Rules.

Once one identifies such people they can ignore them and move on to engage people actually debating ideas.  

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Nalates Urriah wrote:

 

For instance what I am sure many consider witty: “
Basically if the Taliban and the Republican party got together to write a 'XXX-fantasy novel... Gor would be the result.
” I think it shows a lack of knowledge of RL politics and probably indicates an unwillingness to explore diverse ideas. After all it is the DNC and Democrat leaders that are pushing for acceptance of Sharia Law in America. (
) So, if any political party were to come up with the Gorean concept of forcing women into slavery, it seems the DNC is well on the way there.
 


Ummmm, did you even bother to read the article you cited?

It actually concludes th eopposite of what you just stated:

"Claims like this one recently circulated on the internet: "Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women."

Senate Democrats did vote against a bill that prohibits judges from applying foreign law in family-law cases if it contradicts United States public policy. In reality, though, the bill would have essentially codified existing practice. The bill didn’t single out Sharia law, and the United States Constiution still applies.

It’s ridiculous -- beyond ridiculous, really -- to suggest that Senate Democrats forced on women such elements of Sharia law as burqa-wearing and stoning to death. We rate this claim Pants on Fire."

 

Additionally, the ACLU, whom I believe has a track record of supporting Women's Rights also opposed the bill.  Again from the article you cited:

"The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida opposed the bill, although spokesman Baylor Johnson said the final version "has relatively little impact on existing law."

"Just like some folks think that tinfoil hats will protect you from the imaginary threat of aliens reading your thoughts, the ‘foreign law’ bill won’t protect against the imaginary threat of ‘Sharia law’ taking over Florida, because that threat isn’t real," Johnson said."

I'll admit that I haven't researched the debate that went on, why the Dems (who personally I am not any more or less fond of than I am of the Republicans) opposed the bill.

But it reads to me more like the Republicans were simply playing on a created imaginary fear to look good in the eyes of their constituents.

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As stated, Gor is based on a series of novels by John Norman. The people are given a potion that keeps them from aging so you rarely see an old Gorean. If you do, they are of the small percentage that the potion doesn't work on.

Females are divided into slaves and Free Women. Depending on the book, the free women may or may not wear a face veil but their hair is covered as is all skin from neck to feet. They can be in any of the existing castes and the castes wear a specific color of clothing to identify them. For Free Women, think Victorian England as far as what they can and can't do. Slave girls are used for the males to relieve their lusts on. If you read the books, the slave women are carefully brainwashed by training. Free Women know if they are captured they can be raped and become slaves.

Not all men are warriors though all are taught to fight.

Each major city has its Priest-King. I've not read enough of the books to know if anyone has ever seen one of them since I got bored with the writing style.

I tried Gor as both a slave and a free woman. I was bored as slaves have to do these elaborate "serves" and describe what they are doing. That's not really RP as far as I'm concerned, just busy work, especially since the chores have to be notecarded and turned in to the master.

If you are fortunate enough to find a community that has active RP, I understand that it can be quite interesting. I just didn't find it to my tastes.

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I wanted to comment on your post..I think you've got most of the right ideas, but some things need claification. I've been reading a bit on Gor, since one of my friends is playing there.

As stated, Gor is based on a series of novels by John Norman. The people are given a potion that keeps them from aging so you rarely see an old Gorean. If you do, they are of the small percentage that the potion doesn't work on.

The stablization serums are given to slow down or at times stop the aging process on Gor. Most of the people there can live for hundreds of years. I did see something staying that with some it's indefinite and some it only lasts a couple hundred years.

Females are divided into slaves and Free Women. Depending on the book, the free women may or may not wear a face veil but their hair is covered as is all skin from neck to feet. They can be in any of the existing castes and the castes wear a specific color of clothing to identify them. For Free Women, think Victorian England as far as what they can and can't do. Slave girls are used for the males to relieve their lusts on. If you read the books, the slave women are carefully brainwashed by training. Free Women know if they are captured they can be raped and become slaves.

Well, there are Panther Girls who are warriors who live in one of the forests. They're sometimes escaped slaves or Free women who leave the cities. They, strangely enough, capture males and use them as slaves. As for the veil on free women (and I haven't read that many of the books) but it's unusual for them not to be covered with what the books call "Robes of Concealment". And yes, it is a very male dominated society and the women are raised (again, according to the books) with the understanding that they could be enslaved by any man at any time. Yes, the slaves are used the by males to "relieve their lusts" but there can be more to it.

Not all men are warriors though all are taught to fight.

That's true...I've been to sims there they have physician, administrator, blacksmith, baker and even a seamstress.

Each major city has its Priest-King

No...the Priest Kings are the Godlike creatures that the Gorean people pray to. They live in the mountains in the Northern Area of Gor. Each major city has an intitiate, who is a priest who works through the Priest Kings...they actually turn out to be giant cricket like creatures in the Third Book.

I tried Gor as both a slave and a free woman. I was bored as slaves have to do these elaborate "serves" and describe what they are doing. That's not really RP as far as I'm concerned, just busy work, especially since the chores have to be notecarded and turned in to the master.

I liked the serves....and yes, there's a lot to them. Sometimes it's a bit frustrating and I can't argue with your analysis of "busy work" especially since the Master made you NC them. But..they are interesting as there's certain ways that certain drinks and made and served and if someone knows how to do it, it can be fascinating. (My opinion of course).

There are also two branches of Gorean society: One that plays their sim EXACTLY how the author envisioned it (called by the book or BTB) and one where the rules are bent a bit and you can get away with more stuff (called Gor Evolved or GE). You might have been playing on a BTB sim, where you HAVE to know how to serve and how to talk to the Masters..etc, etc. You might want to try a different sim, if you're wanting to give it another shot.

 I've not read enough of the books to know if anyone has ever seen one of them since I got bored with the writing style.

Oh Gosh, YES! John Norman's writing style makes me want to pull my eyeballs out. If you read selectively...meaning, skip some of the paragraphs where he rambles on and on about the same thing or things that don't really matter...the stories aren't too bad.

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Tex Monday wrote:

Not all men are warriors though all are taught to fight.

That's true...I've been to sims there they have physician, administrator, blacksmith, baker and even a
seamstress
.

I think you mean tailor, Tex. I am a Seamstress of Gor.

Here I can be seen with the remains of a tarn I killed some time ago...

Seamstress of Gor.jpg

with naught but a sewing needle...

Seamstress of Gor 2.jpg

Rawr

;-).

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LOL. I saw three new posts and noticed the last was from you. Read the two (very informative, btw) posts from Bobbie and Tex and as soon as I saw that 'seamstress' in his list I knew exactly what your post was going to be about.


You are such a showoff. Cute, though.

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

LOL. I saw three new posts and noticed the last was from you. Read the two (very informative, btw) posts from Bobbie and Tex and as soon as I saw that 'seamstress' in his list I knew exactly what your post was going to be about.

 

You are such a showoff. Cute, though.

As you've demonstrated, she's also predictable.

Surely that would be a nefarian's least endearing quality.

:-)·

 

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