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I'm not trying to pick your post apart Gina, I'm just trying to get clarification on what you stereotype as childlike.  There are hundreds of av's in SL that have round faces and wear slutty clothing.  Based on your post, that is half of the criteria. 

I also seem to recall someone mentioning something about a mesh av in this case.  From what I have seen  there, their skins don't look quite like most of what people are used to, because it is not baked onto the avatar itself.  And we all know that nothing in SL looks the same to two people.  So what one considers 'young' looking on medium graphics setting might look at lot more 'adult' on ultimate with shadows enabled.

So where do we draw the line?  Is 3 out of 4 enough to eject someone when after a conversation they are clearly an adult?  Or are all 4 required?


And for those that are curious.  Here is LL's official statement on childlike appearances:

In some cases there may be an element of subjectivity as to whether an avatar (or other image) appears to be a minor. Objective factors which will be used to decide, including whether an avatar has childlike facial features, is child-sized, has clothing or accessories generally associated with children, and whether, based on the circumstances, an avatar is speaking or acting like a child ("My Mommy says...").

32px-KBnote.png Note: Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves.

If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist. Please note that some countries' laws may impose penalties for graphics, drawings, or anime that resemble child pornography, even where no children have been involved.

 

and can be found here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clarification_of_policy_disallowing_ageplay

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Feel free to avoid any of my sims. Re-read my orignal post and use it in the correct context. Children or child looking avatars have no place on adults sims. It has nothing to do with big butts or breasts.

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Trina, I cannot judge an avatars apperance unless they are standing on one of my sims. However, I can tell you that childs play as gross as it may be, does gone on. I have witnessed it and reported it many times over the years. Each avatar is looked at on an indiviual basis. The person is contacted prior and asked if update their appearance. At no time is anyone rude or disrespectful. It is their choice if they do or not. There is room for all of us in SL. People can look as they want, but I go with a safe practice. Again, I can only speak for my sims.

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To be frank here, I am supporting Perrie to the fullest...

Whoever owns the land gives us the right to be on it... I mean, why get butthurt? It's not like you are a God's gift to everyone around you..Some people will like you, some won't...

And since some of you felt the need to call all these different looks, styles or however you want to call them... ugly, stupid, ridiculous or whatever... what is stopping them from thinking the exact same thing about your avatar? Hence not allowing it in their presence...

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"And since some of you felt the need to call all these different looks, styles or however you want to call them... ugly, stupid, ridiculous or whatever... what is stopping them from thinking the exact same thing about your avatar? Hence not allowing it in their presence..."


And this is exactly what the op was complaining about...that sim owners discriminate against people who do not meet their criteria of what they 'think' is acceptable/appealing...or because they simply do not like someone.  Now that, is truly childish!  I'm gonna take your birthday away!

If someone is going to own a sim, and allow the public to enter it, whether it is an adult sim or not, they have to realize the same things that you mentioned.  They will have visitors that do not appeal to them or that they even like.  But you think that is grounds to eject and ban them from a sim because you dont like that they are not wearing something that makes them look obscenely ridiculous in your opinion?  Or because you do not like their hairstyle?  And its ok to use any excuse that you can find to save face and not appear that shallow?  Or maybe you just do not care if you appear that shallow.  To me, thats kind of like going to Wal-Mart and being escorted out of the building because one of the managers doesn't think I should wear green slacks with a pink vest.


If someone is not breaking a rule that has been set forth by the sim they are visiting, are within the TOS and CS, and are not otherwise causing trouble on the sim, there really are not many reasons to remove someone.  IDK...I agree with the op and think it is probably a lot more childish to remove someone from a sim simply because they do not meet your standard of acceptable appearances by wearing Lola's, or whatever, than the person he referred to and what they appeared like actually was.

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A sim owner can eject anyione they want fro any reason. They pay for the land. If they think somone has a childlike av and want to ban them, that is their right.

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See now, whether it is childish or not is a whole new pair of shoes. We are all different, we all have our attitudes, beliefs and views, so honestly, who are you to judge what is childish and what not?

Bottom line is, the SIM is that person's property and they can chose whatever it is they want to do. Thank Lord there's a huge variety of SIMs that you can go to, so if you do not meet the standards of one person, you will of another...

(I am not denying it it judgmental of people to react that way, but hell... vampires are forbidden in most clubs, so there's nothing stopping them from doing the same to people with no lola's)

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Okay yea EPIC WIN to the one who posted "I like big butts" lol

- but back to the OP, honestly my avi has to me normal breasts, not too small, and not too big. I've been noticing this scary trend here lately as well, like the breasts on there even jiggle! :o and the butt is so big it looks like you could just bounce off of it like a trampoline. I know people don't like for SL to be called a "game" but to me those overly huge Godzooky breasts and butts look WAY too huge to even be remotely human/normal. Oh and it's SO not attractive!

Also to consider someones avi childlike all because their female parts are small or average and not grossly gigantic is childish all in itself... Then again it's their land they can sadly kick anyone they want. May I also add if they're gonna kick someone based on that then if it were me I wouldn't even waste my time going to such a biased place, we have enough issues in RL already that's why many go to SL to have fun and not be ridiculed... :/

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According to you and Drake I have every right to decide what is childish and what is not.  I own an adult sim.  But none of you seem to be able to see the forest for the trees.  Just because I CAN ban and eject someone, anyone, from my sim for any reason I want, I choose not to play the childish games that other sim owners do and eject people based on my like or dislike of them or how ridiculous I think they may or may not look.  If they follow the sim rules, are not there to cause trouble,  and are in compliance with the TOS and CS, I don't see any good reason to ban or eject anyone.

The point is not what a sim owner can and cannot do because they pay for the land.  You dont really need to remind me of that since I pay for my sim, without all the money grubbing gimmics used by other sims to make money and cover those costs.  You may find it odd, but I think SL should be someplace that is fun.  If someone is going to make their land available to the public, it should be so the people visiting it can ENJOY themselves there.  Not so they have to worry about whether or not they need to go buy a fat ass and mega **bleep** to keep from being ejected from that sim because the sim owner thinks someone looks childish without them.  I'm almost certain you will never find anything in LL's ageplay section, the TOS, or the CS that defines someone without those items as a child.  I'm sorry, but if anyone can honestly say that is a justifiable reason to remove someone from a sim, I'd say you're an idiot!

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TrinaCarlsson wrote:

According to you and Drake I have every right to decide what is childish and what is not.  I own an adult sim.  But none of you seem to be able to see the forest for the trees.  Just because I CAN ban and eject someone, anyone, from my sim for any reason I want, I choose not to play the childish games that other sim owners do and eject people based on my like or dislike of them or how ridiculous I think they may or may not look.  If they follow the sim rules, are not there to cause trouble,  and are in compliance with the TOS and CS, I don't see any good reason to ban or eject anyone.

The point is not what a sim owner can and cannot do because they pay for the land.  You dont really need to remind me of that since I pay for my sim, without all the money grubbing gimmics used by other sims to make money and cover those costs.  You may find it odd, but I think SL should be someplace that is fun.  If someone is going to make their land available to the public, it should be so the people visiting it can ENJOY themselves there.  Not so they have to worry about whether or not they need to go buy a fat ass and mega **bleep** to keep from being ejected from that sim because the sim owner thinks someone looks childish without them.  I'm almost certain you will never find anything in LL's ageplay section, the TOS, or the CS that defines someone without those items as a child.  I'm sorry, but if anyone can honestly say that is a justifiable reason to remove someone from a sim, I'd say you're an idiot!

Can I get anAMEN????

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If the sim rules state "No child Avs" it is at the descretion of the sim owner and their staff to decide what they consider "child like." It is childish to argue with them. Their sim , their rules. As i stated earlier, i was tossed for being a child av at over 6 feet tall, with a goatee. Did i whine and complain to them, start a forum thread about it, or **bleep** to my friends? No, no and no. I left and never went back. Their loss. End of story.

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I agree it's a public place but it's a place they still own and rule over, so sadly they have their rights whether justifiable or not. Also I wouldn't call someone an idiot for just stating that the land owner has their rights... Again I'll say to kick someone over something like that is very silly and childish but in the end it's their land and they can kick anyone they want... Annoying I know, I've been kicked before but hey just go elsewhere there are plenty of areas to go to in SL. I'd also have to agree with Drake on this, it's definitely their loss if they kick you for such a stupid reason.

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I'll take it easy.

My avatar looks awsome and if I'm asked to leave a sim because of how my avatar looks like I assume those poor souls just can't handle the awsomeness. :matte-motes-big-grin-squint:

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Perhaps this IS fun for the sim owner who chooses to chuck people off their sim and tell them they appear to be child-like, even when they actually don't.

As frustrating as it is, that's just the way it is.

 

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Marigold Devin wrote:

Perhaps this
IS
fun for the sim owner who chooses to chuck people off their sim and tell them they appear to be child-like, even when they actually don't.

As frustrating as it is, that's just the way it is.

 

Yep. It seems reasonable that chucking people off sims for no apparent reason will be a natural and hopefully uncommon consequence of people having that power. My frustration is ameloriated by the knowledge that giving people such power makes it possible to judge their use of it.

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TrinaCarlsson wrote:

According to you and Drake I have every right to decide what is childish and what is not.  I own an adult sim.  But none of you seem to be able to see the forest for the trees.  Just because I CAN ban and eject someone, anyone, from my sim for any reason I want, I choose not to play the childish games that other sim owners do and eject people based on my like or dislike of them or how ridiculous I think they may or may not look.  If they follow the sim rules, are not there to cause trouble,  and are in compliance with the TOS and CS, I don't see any good reason to ban or eject anyone.

The point is not what a sim owner can and cannot do because they pay for the land.  You dont really need to remind me of that since I pay for my sim, without all the money grubbing gimmics used by other sims to make money and cover those costs.  You may find it odd, but I think SL should be someplace that is fun.  If someone is going to make their land available to the public, it should be so the people visiting it can ENJOY themselves there.  Not so they have to worry about whether or not they need to go buy a fat ass and mega **bleep** to keep from being ejected from that sim because the sim owner thinks someone looks childish without them.  I'm almost certain you will never find anything in LL's ageplay section, the TOS, or the CS that defines someone without those items as a child.  I'm sorry, but if anyone can honestly say that is a justifiable reason to remove someone from a sim, I'd say you're an idiot!

First of all it's not really according to me and Drake.  And while LL never stated that you need to have a good reason in order to ban someone, they still gave us the tools.  Hence we consider it axiomatic that you can ban someone for any or no reason at all.  I would make one exception to that, if the reason was because of Intolerance.  For instance if the SIM owner said we don't allow RL Whites or Christians or Heterosexuals, etc, on our SIM.

I might also agree that some of the criteria some SIM owners use is foolish.  I don't personally know.  I've never been booted nor do I personally know any one who has been.  The main thing I've been saying is that I understand why some of the SIM owners have standards.  That does not mean that I think their standards are always correct.

I do want to add one other thought here because we really should have caught it at the start.  

I always love the "I Have a Friend Threads" because usually when we get to digging we find there is more going on than meets the eye.  In this thread we have a friend who just happens to run another SIM.  Makes me wonder if there may not have been more going on in this situation.  Maybe there isn't but more often than not in these type of OP's there is. 

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:

Perhaps this
IS
fun for the sim owner who chooses to chuck people off their sim and tell them they appear to be child-like, even when they actually don't.

As frustrating as it is, that's just the way it is.

 

Yep. It seems reasonable that chucking people off sims for no apparent reason will be a natural and hopefully uncommon consequence of people having that power. My frustration is ameloriated by the knowledge that giving people such power makes it possible to judge their use of it.

The only time I ever chucked anyone off my land was when they wandered into my house, while I was entertaining my own company, completely butt naked and the female was sporting something called "flexicum" ! PG sim an' all !

Otherwise, chucking aint my thing (oh except when its bots carelessly placed in a skybox that just happens to have phantom walls tee hee)

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Gina Chrome wrote:

I am going to weigh in on this even though I normally do not entertain this type of discussion. As an adult sim owner, the child looking avatars have gotten out of hand. It honestly has nothing to do with the height of the avatar nor the hidious Lola tangos and the stupid Phat asses.

uh, people are now getting banned from places for being "child avatars" when they don't have overinflated Lolas and Phatazzes...

Experienced it myself at a few place, and I'm a manager at a large adult sim and know quite well what LL means by child avatars, and being normal sized human isn't it.

Yes, there's some increase in true child avatars, but it appears to be seasonal, linked to the school vacations in certain countries.

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

 

I think what you are objecting to is the "anime" look. So long as they do not claim to be a child, there is no harm, no  foul. According to LL child avs can be on adult land, just not in proximity of adult poseballs.

nice in theory. in reality it doesn't work. If you've anything A rated on the sim, the risk of allowing child avatars there is just not worth it.

We've had incidents where child avatars (and I'm talking toddlers with pacifiers, diapers, and baby talkers) entered the sim, posted in front of an adboard showing something A rated (like a photo of a naked person, which isn't allowed near child avatars either), and then filed an AR against our sim owner for catering to pedophiles.

Since that we ban all child avatars, after giving them a single warning to change their looks and behaviour to be adult.

 

Most never comply with that warning, showing that they are there as child avatars just to cause trouble, on purpose.

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Oh for Gods sakes people, boobs, butts, height, head size, whatever, none of it matters.  If they are on an adult sim then they obviously are adult or are smarter than most adults and figured out how to beat the system and have probably been doing it for a long time.

The whole being paranoid someone is an actual kid was a lot less worse back before LL let the rug rats in legally.  Also, if someone boots you off their sim, out of their club or space, who cares, it is their place, their rules, get over it. 

If you run around looking like a kid in adult areas you deserve what you get, end of story.  I mean, it is creepy as h*ll and laughable to see someone that looks like a 12 year old that dressed like hooker, that only comes up to their "Masters" waist, leashed to his crotch and sucking on a pacifier, with plugs hanging from god knows which hole and breasts (that don't even match the skin tone properly usually) that could poke an eye out a mile away and an a*s that could suffocate a man at fifty paces screaming how unfair it is to be treated differently...look in the mirror for Gods sakes your a joke and then actually go GROW UP.  Between that and the trout mouth, rode a horse wide thigh trucker hooker look going around I am amazed anyone leaves their homes anymore, the ugly trend has taken over SL.

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