Why Communism on SL MUST be realised

[Storm Clarence]

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Drewski Northman wrote:

Well here's a shocker, Mr. Clarence and I are in agreement.

 

 

 

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You must be feeling very good about yourself right now. 

 

[Storm Clarence]

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Theresa Tennyson wrote:

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Storm Clarence wrote:

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BrynneBaileigh wrote:

 

Trolling is an art, one he hasn't quite mastered.

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He will not feed where I feed. 

GET OFF MY LAWN!

 

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Having fun?

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Yes.  A lot.

[Drewski Northman]

Ehh, I give credit where it's due

[Katheryne Helendale]

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Doctor Chiwanga wrote:

Given the chance to carve our own paradise in the digital stars, we have instead merely replicated the abomination of late capitalism, smothering our own virtual dreams before they even began. 

What should have been a space station of unrestricted desire has become a stupifying, suffocating 24/7 mall. The market dictates all; reality is replicated; Mama and Papa Pinden settle into their pre-built condo and suckle on the televisual teat. Genitals for sale: the ultimate commodification of desire. The zombie drone of the Zyngo machine blends into the background noise of the clubs, the residents glutted on neo-liberal mogadons. 

Meanwhile, in the public sandboxes and info hubs, the dispossessed gather, bonded only by griefing - perhaps the only response to the boredom to which they are perpetually subjected. 

We need Communist revolution on SL: we need to provide land for ALL, not the privileged few; creations to be SHARED, not to prop up the sinking ship of capitalism. SL must be freed from its chains and permitted to evolve into a world in which we may all stretch our wings and touch the sun. 

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*grabs a bowl of popcorn and sits back to enjoy the show*

[LepreKhaun]

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Doctor Chiwanga wrote:

Given the chance to carve our own paradise in the digital stars, we have instead merely replicated the abomination of late capitalism, smothering our own virtual dreams before they even began. 

What should have been a space station of unrestricted desire has become a stupifying, suffocating 24/7 mall. The market dictates all; reality is replicated; Mama and Papa Pinden settle into their pre-built condo and suckle on the televisual teat. Genitals for sale: the ultimate commodification of desire. The zombie drone of the Zyngo machine blends into the background noise of the clubs, the residents glutted on neo-liberal mogadons. 

Meanwhile, in the public sandboxes and info hubs, the dispossessed gather, bonded only by griefing - perhaps the only response to the boredom to which they are perpetually subjected. 

We need Communist revolution on SL: we need to provide land for ALL, not the privileged few; creations to be SHARED, not to prop up the sinking ship of capitalism. SL must be freed from its chains and permitted to evolve into a world in which we may all stretch our wings and touch the sun. 

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/me hurriedly begins machinima of the Bolshevik revolution in Linden Lands.

 

Fails to find crew willing to work for "the cause of the common good".

 

Rethinks concept, viabilty of attempt and the basic premise; all the while keeping the concept of "money" within the plot..

 

Decides to study history first.

[Canoro Philipp]

having another form of government in SL is a good idea.

the Capitalist system was applied by Linden Lab because that was mostly the way most of their employees grow accostumed to, so knowing no better, they just used what they have the knowledge to work, building the company under a Capitalist government.

i see the benefits of Communism, and it will be a good idea to have a sim for people that agree that Communism is a better choice, creating for the people, and getting benefits from their government.

is natural that you will have negative reactions being that many SL users come from Capitalist backgrounds, growing under constant propaganda from their goverments about how their government system is the best and any other form of government is evil. I am sure that many SL users agree with you that Communism is the best choice, you could make a group of Communists and work together to have your space in SL too, many variations of forms of thinking are welcome in SL, Communists, Capitalists, Monarchists are welcome to live the way they feel more comfortable in.

I wish you good luck in your project to make a space for Communism in SL.

[Amethyst Jetaime]

In the category of "I am unwilling to spend money so everything should be free " you are hereby given the Clueless Running of the Mouth Comedy Award. 
 

[Conifer Dada]

Even though I'm on the 'left' myself, I think the idea of a communist revolution in SL is absurd!  Most people don't come to SL to play politics.  Maybe a 'role-play' communist revolution in an RP sim might be quite fun, but a real one throughout SL, no!  Linden Lab is not a charity and nobody needs to be in SL to live their real lives, it's a luxury, a computer game, when all is said and done.

If you want to do everything for free, there's always Open Sim, which is an open source version of SL.  You can download one or more standalone sims to your computer, build stuff, customise your avatar just like in SL, except you have to do almost everything yourself!  If you're very clever, you can connect your standalone sim or sims to the Hypergrid, and others can come and visit you.  That's beyond my capabilities at the moment, though!

[Syo Emerald]

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Canoro Philipp wrote:

having another form of government in SL is a good idea.

the Capitalist system was applied by Linden Lab because that was mostly the way most of their employees grow accostumed to, so knowing no better, they just used what they have the knowledge to work, building the company under a Capitalist government.

i see the benefits of Communism, and it will be a good idea to have a sim for people that agree that Communism is a better choice, creating for the people, and getting benefits from their government.

is natural that you will have negative reactions being that many SL users come from Capitalist backgrounds, growing under constant propaganda from their goverments about how their government system is the best and any other form of government is evil. I am sure that many SL users agree with you that Communism is the best choice, you could make a group of Communists and work together to have your space in SL too, many variations of forms of thinking are welcome in SL, Communists, Capitalists, Monarchists are welcome to live the way they feel more comfortable in.

I wish you good luck in your project to make a space for Communism in SL.

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You forgot that this person is unable to even write down a single argument why Communism would be better in SL. He was unable, when answered directly, to explain what benefit a shopowner would have within this new system. In addition he showed clearly, that he has no idea about SL as a whole, when his picture of SL is limited to shopping malls and loveless designed clubs.

What I just keep hearing from him his this message: "I have no idea what I'm doing and I have no knowledge about what others do. Also I don't want to spend money here, so give me everything for free!"

I also "love" how he keeps on believeing building/scripting is easy and how there are thousands of others, who would just do awsome stuff, if you just give them a full-sim.

[Orca Flotta]

Hey all, this was a  long and boring thread to read so I just glossed over it. But let me get back to the OP for now. particularly some points that need to be addressed:

The header line already contains some factual errors. Communism on SL CAN'T be realized. LL is a for-profit- organization and based on that very simple fact your whole premise has no groud  to stand on. A revolution can't be done in SL. Revolution against what? SL isn't a country, SL has no government to speak of. All we have is the dreaded TOS. We can dislike it but then our only choice would be to leave SL. That's fact!

As much as I personally have a fondness for socialism I still hate communism. At least the so-called falsely labelled communism we know from some bad RL examples. And as long as a big part of the SL population still holds on to their wrong stereotypes and is so brutally against anything with the word social in it, you can't expect the "opressed masses" of SL residents to stage a uprising of any sort.

SL is more or less a free world, regulated by an absolute regime, and as schizophrenic as it sounds, it seems to work somehow ... on a very goofy level. So I can't subscribe to your cause since it lacks any foundation.

A short word for the various haterz of commandante Guevara and comrade Chavez and other visionary cummunist/socalist leaders: you guys suck!

You're so deeply stuck in a wrong belief system one can only pity you. These people fought  for a better world and were stopped by either natural causes (Chavez) or in the bullet hail of some CIA puppet regime's army (Guevara). That doesn't mean they failed. That doesn't make you bullies the winners. It only shows that the USA was stronger at that point and denied the world something much needed. In the case where a leader luckily escaped various assasination attemps, Castro, they succeeded big time. Castro fought and won over a fascist regime and has managed all the years to feed his population, despite the best efforts by the USA to cut Cuba off all trade and starve the people. Same goes for Mao's China, same goes for the USSR and same goes for Vietnam. You didn't win, they didn't fail. The USSR destroyed itself from the inside, the others are doing well. So well indeed, China owns the USA these days. But they somehow have no use for such a disorganized and lazy muppet show of a country, so they let you guys still roam freely. In the end they need you as a marketplace. Let's see what happens once you've given the gold reserves back to Germany, if you're able to. :smileyindifferent:

[Orca Flotta]

we need a Fidel Castro and Hugo chavez?

Oh yes. I guess every country needs a healthy dose of both of 'em. But as SL isn't a country of any sort we can only dream.

[Syo Emerald]

Seriously Orca, the OP isn't even able to answer simply questions and until now, you haven't done that job for him as well. Or are you able to answer them for him?

We don't need more blablabla about how wrong everyone here is and how great his or your ideals are. How can a system be good, if its idealists can even come up with answers?

[Orca Flotta]

Hey Syo, please don't blame OP's shortcomings on my small shoulders. he dug himself in so deeply I'm much too weak to dug him out again. Afterall I guess it's established by now that he is nothing but an apprentice griefer. :smileyhappy:

The reason why I won't go deeply into socialist idealism is simple. I could write books on the subject but those would definately be in german and therefor of only limited use for most forumites. Also such a discussion would be very much above the basic comprehension of an average internet forum user. So all I could do was to quickly shut up that guy since he has no clue what he's talking about.

In now ay did I intend to support his POV ... if he has any.

 

 

PS: I don't know where you are from. But if you happen to be from the USA there is surely no need for me to explain the ideals of socialism since you learned all about it in school. Else why would a majority of US citizens be so biased against communism/socialism/social democracy it if they knew **bleep** all about it or only got their info from Fox news?

[Theresa Tennyson]

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Syo Emerald wrote:

Seriously Orca, the OP isn't even able to answer simply questions and until now, you haven't done that job for him as well. Or are you able to answer them for him?

We don't need more blablabla about how wrong everyone here is and how great his or your ideals are. How can a system be good, if its idealists can even come up with answers?

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straw man

 

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2.

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3.

a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument: The issue she railed about was no more than a straw man.

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[Syo Emerald]

I'm just asking, because in my opinion SL has mainly just established the basic capitalistic level: Trade with the help of an exchangemedium, also known as money. There is nothing "evil" or "bad" with that. Especially in SL, where the situation is more idealistic than it could ever be in the real world, this gives us a pretty innocent and pure system. 

Money is not evil, especially not in SL where basically no avatar really needs it. People want it, but they aren't doomed if they have none. Secondly in SL its still possible for everyone (at least in theory) to find a way to offer a desireable item or service. And if you are really not willing or able to do so you can have a pretty decent livingstandart here for a couple of Dollars or Euros a day.

Second Life doesn't have a stock market. So there isn't financial playground that could spiral out of control like it does every few decades in RL. Yes, people can become "rich" here. But they don't do that on the back of other residents. They naturally earn it through intelligence and skill and I think whoever archieves that deserves it.

 

Thats why I think SL is not the place that needs "improvement" in the shape of a systemchange.

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Of course I wouldn't say no to a free full-sim, but the OP would break out in tears, because I would at least build a tiny club on it. (Yes, when I'm bored I think of what I would do with a whole sim, if I had one.) :matte-motes-big-grin:

[Gavin Hird]

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Doctor Chiwanga wrote:

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We don't want to suck

anything

from you or IvanICarntType: we want you off the grid, so we can make something relevant, unique and exciting. 

 

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Why don't you just download opensim free of charge and start create your relevant, unique and exciting grid for only the cost of the power to your server(s)? 

Just about any creation is free too if you hypergrid your utopia, or even better join one of the big grids for free. You'll find plenty of 5 minute PhotoShop clothes and fast creations that can help you move faster. (To be fair to opensim creators, there are some very high quality work there too, but the bulk is from mediocre to craptastic.)

Enjoy your new journey! ;-)

[Ren Toxx]

Am I too late for an 'AMEN, BROTHER!!!!!'?

 

I surely hope not. I wanted some of that popcorn.

[Masami Kuramoto]

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Gavin Hird wrote:

Why don't you just download opensim free of charge and start create your relevant, unique and exciting grid for only the cost of the power to your server(s)? 

Just about any creation is free too if you hypergrid your utopia, or even better join one of the big grids for free. You'll find plenty of 5 minute PhotoShop clothes and fast creations that can help you move faster. (To be fair to opensim creators, there are some very high quality work there too, but the bulk is from mediocre to craptastic.)

Enjoy your new journey! ;-)

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The next time you get out of your basement, ask some professional 3D content creators what they think about the bulk of Second Life content. You'll be surprised -- and embarrassed.

Here's an example: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123296

Seriously, as a Second Life resident you are hardly in a position to judge the quality of anything. You are here, which means you have learned to endure (and enjoy!) the most craptastic looking game in history.

What OpenSim has going for it is the non-scarcity of space and the absence of eyesore shopping malls. The total area of all (known) OpenSim grids already exceeds the size of Second Life, and if you exclude the shopping malls, OpenSim is probably three times larger than SL. What SL builders cram into one sim or less, OpenSim builders usually spread out over an area of 2x2, 3x3 or more sims because they can afford the space. The effect of this cannot be described, it has to be experienced. It's like moving from Tokyo to the Midwestern U.S. Unlike SL, where people get banned for flying over someone else's land or for not having payment info on file, OpenSim is much more relaxed and hospitable.

I'm not sure why some people here suggest OpenSim as a place to implement communism. There is nothing communist or even remotely socialist about OpenSim. On the contrary, the hypergrid is the only major 3D virtual world where people can actually own their land (read: server space and data) rather than rent it from a central government. You think SL is about capitalism? Where is your property? Haven't you read the TOS? You guys don't even own the content that you upload!

[Pussycat Catnap]

Communism: Dupe the masses into thinking there is a worker's paradise of equality and rights while a powerful elite rules with the absolute power of a police state.

Capitalism: Dupe the masses into thinking there is a commercial paradise of liberty while a powerful elite rules with the absolute power of a mercant-oligarchy state.

Fascism: Dupe the masses into thinking there is a corporate paradise of equality and rights while a powerful elite rules with the absolute power of a military-coporate state.

Anarchy: Dupe the masses into thinking there is a utopian paradise of liberty while a powerful elite rules with the absolute power of a brutal intimidation state.

Monarchy: Skip the duping and just rule by the absolute power of the sword.

 

Yeah... politricks is flawed all around.

Where's mah guillotine @?

 

[Gavin Hird]

I am sorry if you took my post as an attack on opensim – cause it was not. As you correctly say it gives you spacial freedoms I could never afford in SL to create fluid landsscapes and environments more like SL mainland. Currently I have a public canvas of 16 sims in the largest opensim grid and a mirror of the same standlone on a different server. 

I share many of my creations there – some of which find their way to commercial and even free products here, but increasingly I cannot be bothered to market here because there is a flood of products where cheap matters more than substance.

A couple years back I voiced the need for a "developer organiztion" for the content creators in SL, and changes to the marketplace where Linden worked actively with the content creators to ensure they were reasonably paid, that their property rights were taken well care of, and where developers both got insight into future plans and directions, but also got much better support – But I guess Linden was not very interested. 

As for communism in opensim; it would fail equally well there as anywhere else. What I merely suggested was for this young man (I guess the avatar is) start with the blank sheet of a free opensim installation and create his utopia from scratch and experience the value of hard work.

What he would quickly realize is that someone would have to pay the bill, and in this case himself despite how much free content he could get hold of. 

Idealistic as it might be, even opensim has monthly bills to pay to host my (to others) free stuff, which is why I regularly donnate to help their upkeep and continued development. 

[Venus Petrov]

When I read the OP's name I thought his message would start out along the lines of:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have inherited USD500,000 from a recently-deceased uncle.  In order to claim said funds, I must put forward a deposit of USD9,000.  If you would be so kind as to transfer this to me, I will share in the inheritance 50% to you!

My bank details are below.

Yes, I am Nigerian.

[Hoshi Kenin]

Hmmmm.......verbose....sesquipedalian....brief, quazi-snappy single line replies to the usual, and all too preditctable saps falling for your 'bait' post.

Now, where and when have I seen this - coughs - 'style' before in these forums?

You just cannot stay away, can you?   Leading the forum cliques down this garden path is hardly difficult or worthy of any kudos.

I like to think you have spent time away actually in SL, and not posting in the other forums available to the needy.  I tire of pointing out the irony of the forumites spending more time in a virtual world's forums than in the virtual world, itself.  The problem is, I suspect you will hunger for some more forum baiting, or - let's be honest, here, shall we? - simple trolling.

Time will tell.

 

[KarenMichelle Lane]

LMAO

[Blue Voix]

Applauds for all the excellent Communist role play but I must bring up again...who will pay for the server space/data center? ya I thought not....so um maybe the Communisty party should invest in it's own servers and put up open sim. Everything comes from something and even Communist need "capitol" to create goods and services for themselves. It is silly and clearly a troll roleplay to think that Linden labs is anything other than a for profit company. In other news this thread gets a A+ for sheer entertainment.

[JustZoie]

While I agree with most of your points, I have to point out that neither Communism (nor Capitalism) is a form of government....they are economic systems, NOT political ones.  Whatever form of government one chooses has nothing to do with the form of economics they choose, so you can have a  Socialist Democracy, a Communist Republic, or a Capitalist Monarchy.