The REAL reason why LL never fixed your Chat Lag (XMPP)

[Storm Clarence]

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Cerise Sorbet wrote:

What is grep?

 

 

 

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grep, egrep, fgrep, and girls with white dresses with blue satin sashes are just a few of my favorite things.

.... the power of the shell.

[Paratrex]

I didn't think it meant the NSA was TP'ing around Inworld spying on us.  Sorry for my naiveness.  I understand the TOS but this Snowden revaltion of spying on games is new.

[Dillon Levenque]

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Paratrex wrote:

TSL isn't encryption. How is that?

 

So Dillon explain this to me further. I'd would love to hear your knowledge of the subject. 

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Actually it's already been explained (thanks, Perrie) since I DID say that TSL has to do with encryption. That's what it's for (as a drunk Soviet general once said about the car's bumper in one of my favorite movie scenes). That encryption wasn't mentioned in the wikipedia article you linked in your OP. It was of course discussed in the wikipedia article you've linked here.

I said that XMPP is not encrypted, as you had said it was. XMPP supports TSL (as do approximately five billion other protocols that use networks for communication). XMPP itself is not encrypted.

And, as has also been pointed out, your assertion about LL and NSA and chat logs is so silly as to be laughable, hence my comment about tin foil in my original post.

[Storm Clarence]

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

That's what it's for as a drunk Soviet general once said ....

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Is there such a thing as a sober Soviet general?

 

[Paratrex]

How is it laughable when its real? Snowden has more documents then you do. Yeah but you don't' use XMPP/Jabber without encrypting it.  What would be the point of XMPP without its encryption specifications?

[Paratrex]

Then spread out your entire life from birth to death on the Internet. That's your choice. I respect that you think people care about your Starbucks coffee enema post on facebook but most people don't give a s***. 

It's your naive notion that your presence on this planet is so important on a little planet in a Galaxy of millions that posting on Facebook makes you more important. People are to busy with their own lives , working, raising families, etc. to get rapped up in people's BS on Facebook. On Facebook sometimes your so called friends show their true colors behind that computer screen don't they.

[Storm Clarence]

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Paratrex wrote:

.... but most people don't give s***.

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Rudi?

 

 

[Dillon Levenque]

I really shouldn't bother with this but I couldn't resist. I love how people with an AGENDA (and that includes people from every direction of the political compass) are so ready to make assumptions about people they don't know, just because said people commented negatively about some point of view.

I've never used Facebook. Nor LinkedIn. Nor Twitter, nor any other 'social networking' application except this one: Second Life. I don't have an internet presence. Actually, of course I do as Dillon Levenque, whose entire existence takes place on the internet., But I have another name that I use when I need to renew my passport and stuff, and THAT name does not have more than a minimal internet presence. I won't say I'm another Nick Haflinger but I try to if not follow his path, at least understand his reasoning and take it to heart.

 

Edited for clarification.

[Paratrex]

Well Dillon, your one of the smart ones but most people are just to ignorant of apathetic to protect their privacy. 

[Paratrex]

I mean dam* you can even protect your privacy , with some work of course, by jailbreaking your iPhone and using the appropriate apps from Cydia that can protect a lot.  Maybe not everything but its more private then it was before.  Same goes for Android phones.  I do not have an Android phone but I'm sure if you Root (maybe you don't have to Root) the phone and use the appropriate apps your privacy goes up.

[LepreKhaun]

Yeah, yeah yeah. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-seeks-to-build-quantum-computer-that-could-crack-most-types-of-encryption/2014/01/02/8fff297e-7195-11e3-8def-a33011492df2_story.html

 

So what? Did you really think the government of the most imprisoned population per capita in the world developed all this just so we could play and download free porn?

 

Wake up.

[Paratrex]

Lepre,

Keep playing your stupid game. I'm so glad I got out of Second Life.  It's your privacy a**hole.  If you don't' value it I could care less. I do and so do millions of other people.  I know your LIB agenda. 

You think people won't find a away around there special computer quantum computer? This is the government we are talking about. The one who spent millions of dollars in a span of 3 years on the Ohs*tto care website that barely works and you telling me with all the smart people out there ,some way smarter than the NSA, won't find a way to get around it

Wow.  I love your apathy and ignorance and that's why I quit the game.

[Dillon Levenque]

Why no, I didn't think that. I know why they created this. They created 'all this' because the Defense Department wanted to find a method of global communications that wasn't tied to point-to-point connections, so that if there was some sort of war going on  units in one part of the world would be able to communicate with units in another part of the world without having to depend on single or limited point-to-point wired connections or easily monitored radio traffic. That's what the Internet Protocol does (well, that and a whole bunch of even more clever routing protocols). If one link fails, other links hook up to fill the gap. The communications network they came up with isn't a bunch of hubs and straight lines, as all wired communications networks were to that point. It's a web. That was the whole point.

It turned out to be a really useful way to find porn sites in other countries, but that is not its raison d'etre.

[LepreKhaun]

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Paratrex wrote:

Lepre,

Keep playing your stupid game. I'm so glad I got out of Second Life.  It's your privacy a**hole.  If you don't' value it I could care less. I do and so do millions of other people.  I know your LIB agenda. 

You think people won't find a away around there special computer quantum computer? This is the government we are talking about. The one who spent millions of dollars in a span of 3 years on the Ohs*tto care website that barely works and you telling me with all the smart people out there ,some way smarter than the NSA, won't find a way to get around it

Wow.  I love your apathy and ignorance and that's why I quit the game.

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If you think I'm apathetic and ignorant, it's only because you have just begun awaking.

 

It's all good, keep reaching. You'll realize what I've said soon enough.

[LepreKhaun]

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

Why no, I didn't think that. I know why they created this. They created 'all this' because the Defense Department wanted to find a method of global communications that wasn't tied to point-to-point connections, so that if there was some sort of war going on  units in one part of the world would be able to communicate with units in another part of the world without having to depend on single or limited point-to-point wired connections or easily monitored radio traffic. That's what the Internet Protocol does (well, that and a whole bunch of even more clever routing protocols). If one link fails, other links hook up to fill the gap. The communications network they came up with isn't a bunch of hubs and straight lines, as all wired communications networks were to that point. It's a

web

. That was the whole point.

It turned out to be a really useful way to find porn sites in other countries, but that is not its raison d'etre.

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http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx 

Hmmm- the Internet, stealth fighters and the M16. Proud history indeed. But if you think for an instant that anything on that list isn't a weapon, you have no idea what the DoD has been about for the past 50 years or so.

 

Next you'll be telling us that  television was developed for educational purposes.

[Paratrex]

You addressed nothing in my last reply to you.  I don't give a sh**what weapons the DoD has. Your taking this to far. The whole thread was about privacy on the Internet and specifically Second Life. LL didn't' tell you this did they, nor did any other company.,Snowden did. Your the one who needs to wake up. Your SL game sucks btw.

[LepreKhaun]

I only meant to point out that singling out SL as you do is pointless unless one can say "Over there it's private!"

 

And, if you think you've found such, please do let us know. Just so those who are awake can show you the dream you're still in.

[Paratrex]

Well I know who you work for.  If you don't' have the IT knowledge to lock down your PC, Network, and Smartphone and yes these tools do work.  You have to use tons of them in conjunction with each other but people smarter than me, you, and the NSA know they work. So when that big bad super snoop computer is created the smart ones won't be sweating it for very long.

Hi NSA,

How are you guys? These forums are boring.  Just go out and take a cig break.  I know some great restaurants in town, maybe we can put together a happy hour of sorts to give you guys a break from all the wack jobs on SL and PalTalk.

[Paratrex]

Well wasn't it the FS team that collected information from Emerald. The point of my whole post was to get people talking about privacy and it worked. I wanted to read people opinions on the Snowden leaks and what they thought of their privacy being invaded. Sadly there are many that don't seem to care and I like you will never understand that.  It's almost like when the government tells them to bend over they do.

These are the low information voters, the politically ignorant, the GED graduates; you get my point.  I find it funny that most of North Africa stood up to their oppressive regimes but us Americans just sit back sedated by the brainwashing box and brainless reality shows.  I don't'  blame the world for looking down on us sometimes because our education system sucks. We are falling way behind in math and science. I thank god for the ones who immigrant here to fill the positions that our people can't.

[Perrie Juran]

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Paratrex wrote:

Well wasn't it the FS team that collected information from Emerald.

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Actually no.  You need to go back and look at who was on the Emerald Team and who is on the Firestorm Team.

While it is true a few people who were involved with Emerald are now with FS, they are really completely different teams.

Additionally, if Emerald had been in bed with the NSA along with LL, the NSA could have interceded for Emerald.

The issue with Emerald was that certain information was not being stripped before being sent along with other information.

Knowing the number of people who hate FS and who would love nothing better than to bring them down, it FS ever did it again they would blast them into outer space.

 

[Hoshi Kenin]

The problem is, as Jacob Applebaum recently pointed out, not even you can hide from NSA/GCHQ snooping as they have been engaged in and developing very high tech surveilance for many many years.   Like a cancer, the apparatus has grown out of control, and Snowdon's warnings are about 5 years too late.

Also, the vast majority of the population in the US and certainly in the UK, are like sheep.  Fed brain numbing tv and movie nonsense to keep them quiet and not search for what is actually really important; who really runs 'the system', and how easily this tiny minority control the sheep.  Some of the sheep even pour scorn on items of interest and dismiss it as 'tin foil hat' or conspiracy nonsense.

Which is how, today in the UK, in 2014,  in a supposed democracy the government and private corporations now control the internet via the public falling for the paranoia of 'protecting children'.   Already, and this is just the first step in the process, many non-porn websites are 'accidentally' blocked.  Everyone with broadband access must inform their ISP if they wish to view adult material.   We are now, well beyond 1984, as Snowdon points out.

[Paratrex]

You Brits have to call your ISP to open up websites from the states and other places? Holy Crap. I didn't know it was that bad over there.  Is all porn blocked by default?

[Dillon Levenque]

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LepreKhaun wrote:

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

Why no, I didn't think that. I know why they created this. They created 'all this' because the Defense Department wanted to find a method of global communications that wasn't tied to point-to-point connections, so that if there was some sort of war going on  units in one part of the world would be able to communicate with units in another part of the world without having to depend on single or limited point-to-point wired connections or easily monitored radio traffic. That's what the Internet Protocol does (well, that and a whole bunch of even more clever routing protocols). If one link fails, other links hook up to fill the gap. The communications network they came up with isn't a bunch of hubs and straight lines, as all wired communications networks were to that point. It's a

web

. That was the whole point.

It turned out to be a really useful way to find porn sites in other countries, but that is not its raison d'etre.

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http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx

 

Hmmm- the Internet, stealth fighters and the M16. Proud history indeed. But if you think for an instant that anything on that list isn't a weapon, you have no idea what the DoD has been about for the past 50 years or so.

 

Next you'll be telling us that 

 television was developed for educational purposes.

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Good grief, what IS it with you conspiracy freaks?  All of this is common knowledge. I know about Darpa*, that is why I pointed out in my SECOND SENTENCE that what is now called the world wide web was developed by the Defense Department for military purposes. It is not, in fact,  a weapon: it is a way for people with weapons to remain in contact.

Television was not developed for educational purposes. It was developed because it could be, as were photography and recorded music.

 

*I've had the privilege of visiting the site near the Canadian border where Darpa scientists and engineers, working under deep cover, first developed the seeds of what would one day become the Internet Protocol.

 

 

ETA quote of post to which I was replying (and a gaggle of spelling errors: I made a bunch and have probably missed some).

[Storm Clarence]

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Dillon Levenque wrote:

...Darpa* that what is now called the world wide web was developed by the Defense Department for military purposes.

It is not, in fact,  a weapon: it is a way for people with weapons to remain in contact.

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[Qie Niangao]

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Paratrex wrote:

Your SL game sucks btw.

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Tragic, then, that it's not secure.

It's like the old joke, quoted in the opening lines of "Annie Hall":

Two elderly women are at a Catskill mountain resort, and one of 'em says, "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah, I know; and such small portions."