Got cheated and my stuff stolen by a bad landlord - do I have any recourse?

[Jamiee Daines]

The SIM i was on got sold, I was renting 4 parcels at about 5600 L per week.

The new landlord got some heat from others and got tempermental and said that he sold the SImn to someone else.  I lost two weeks worth of rental monies and all the stuff I had on the parcels because I got no warning about this.

Do I have any recourse from LL as to remedy over what amounts to theft by someone who acted like a child?

Thank you in advance. 

[Chic Aeon]

Pretty much no. The Lab does not intervene in avatar to avatar disputes. I have always (ALWAYS) only paid my rent by the week when renting. There is always (and often) a chance that this will happen. Sorry. Hopefully many of your items were copy as they are these days and are still mostly in your inventory.

[Venus Petrov]

Unfortunately, these kind of disputes happen.  LL does not get involved in resident-resident disputes.  You do not say if you tried to contact the landlord about the rental money but I would try to appeal for a refund.  The stuff on the parcels, if owned by you, cannot be stolen.  If you can get back to the sim, they are probably still there and you should be able to pick them up.  If they are not there, they should be in your Lost & Found folder as a coalesced item.  You will need to go to a sandbox to unpack it unless you have land elsewhere.

Good luck. 

[Knowl Paine]

We are encouraged to report Abuse in SL if we witness it, that is about the only recourse you have with LL.

You have options outside of SL, but pursuing those processes, can be costly, and is often not worth the time.

There are a lot of honorable land dealers in SL. I usually look for dealers with an established presence Inworld, and outside of SL. The older the Resident is, the better.

I'm sorry to hear that you lost time, and money. From an overview, it appears that you are not the only disappointed person, involved. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jamiee Daines]

I talked to the former owner (the second one in a week) but he is obviously not a reputable person so he is going to do nothing.  I cannot return to the SIM because I have been blocked from there, as are other former land owners, because, yanno, we are some sort of danger I suppose. 

I didn't figure LL to do anything because I have little resect for the integrity of LL when it comes to a rental customer like me to be honest.  They pretty much duck out of most any issue if they can.

Possibly the newest buyer of the SIM will return my stuff or at least let me get in to reclaim it but I am not holding my breath.

Anyway I will move along and do what I do with most SL sleazey types and just ignore them and move along.

 

[Amethyst Jetaime]

File an AR against the new owner for keeping your things.  There is no reason to.  He can't delete no copy objects, can't take them or use them  They are just taking up prim son his sim.  He must either return them or allow you to retrieve them. LL will step in and make him do one or the other.

If what really happened is the sim went poof, which is a strong possibility from what you say, LL will arrange to have it brought back on line at an appointed time long enough to retieve your items.

[jwenting]

of course depending on what it is, he may not want to return them (and he can do that, estate manager can always return anything (maybe locked items are an exception, but I doubt it)).

For example landscaping. If done tastefully, there's little reason for the new owner to want to change it if he wants to keep the theme of the sim. And if the story OP spins is correct, him blocking OP from the sim is a logical step precisely to prevent OP from taking back things the new estate manager wants to keep.

There are of course ways around that. Make an alt, give alt permissions to edit your objects, then send in the alt and have her remove the stuff.

[Pinky Bluewood]

This is awful, I too was on a plot by the same people, had only just moved there & paid. All my stuff is there, including my little kitten. I am not at all happy with this. Some of my things are not copy so have lost them too, special my little kitty. In RL I am an OAP & dont get much money to live.  SL is my pleasure, i love creating. Nasty people who dont give a damm about others, they must have known when they took my money.

[Venus Petrov]

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Pinky Bluewood wrote:

This is awful, I too was on a plot by the same people, had only just moved there & paid. All my stuff is there, including my little kitten. I am not at all happy with this. Some of my things are not copy so have lost them too, special my little kitty. In RL I am an OAP & dont get much money to live.  SL is my pleasure, i love creating. Nasty people who dont give a damm about others,

they must have known when they took my money.

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Must have known your RL situation?  Not unless you told them.  As has been posted above, 'they' cannot do anything with your stuff.  It is yours.  They can leave it in place but it eats up their prims.  The most logical thing they can do is return it to you.

[Jamiee Daines]

The good news in this was that the guy that bought the SIM allowed me and another resident to come to the sim and reclaim our stuff.  Which was good.  My former landlord stated that he had asked the buyer to do this. 

If so I should take much of the mean thoughts I had for him.  EIther way thanks to both owner for making the re-acqusition of our things smooth.

It took about 2 full days for the SIM to resurface because it was physically moved so that added plenty to my anxiety.

I had a conversation with my former landlord over this issue and as usual a lot of this was a situation exaserbated by over thinking and misunderstanding.  We talked through our issues with each other which was good and we parted ways on at least reasonably good terms.

In all honesty I think that we both over-reacted a bit.  Maybe even more than a bit as he came to the sim to see several parcels stipped bare and me cleaning off one of my own.  Truth was that it was a place I had reserved for a long time friend who hasn't been in world simce June so I was cleaning it off to experiment with a sand dunes package I had bought.. 

All of the other legacy renters had jumped ship but I was planning on staying and yet I got hurt because of that.  All over simple misunderstandings.  Easy to see now why SL will not get involved in these disputes I suppose.

But hopefully there is no longer any animosity between us.  There isn't any on my part even though I lost about 11,000 L in pre paid tiers. That doesn't make me happy but much worse has happened to me and I manage to contribute about a hundred a month to the local casino so that didn't seem all that important in the long run.

The middle SIM owner didn't feel obligated to honor those tiers pre-paid to the original SIM owner but said that he was planning on doing so.  He also said that SL doesn't compel someone buying a SIM to honor pre-paid tiers which I find somewhat criminal on SLs part IMHO. 

It offers little to no protection for renters and personally I think this strategy hurts landlords. 

I mean how many times would someone loose pre-paid tiers before saying nuts to the whole process.  Perhaps SL thinks that this will tempt people into buying their own SIMs.  Which is a foolish notion based on their pricing.