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I and several others have reported a minor being in adult areas, even after logs to admitting she lied about her birthdate and is currently 16. She is telling others she is 22 (we suspect younger due to her behavior before we found out)

She is sending nude photos of herself, being in sexual situations with adults, telling them she is an adult though she has admitting many times she's not and thought it was no big deal. She is banned from our regions but currently in other "sex clubs" and adult sims. She even changed her profile to say 22.

My concern is, Linden Labs isn't taking care of this. It's been 2 weeks, she is still on the grid doing the same. My club, many of the adult club owners I know, are dead set to make sure any admitting minors are region banned, not just for our own protection but protection of the minors.

Hell, I would love ot find a way to contact her parents. It's scarey what she is doing, I would ban my own child from the internet if I knew what she was doing.

Is there anything else that can be done? Linden Labs doesn't seem to do anything. I know LOTS of minors, that we have banned/reported and still running around in adult sims.

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How does it come you KNOW so many minors? (can't really think they are dumb enough to tell any stranger and shout it out loud...) And no, you can't do anything else than reporting. Same as you can't be 100% sure of someones true age and there are no true signs to tell if someone is a minor or not.

Also I highly doubt that there are as many minors as you think in SL. Second Life has nothing what attracts todays teens in high numbers. If they want porn they can get it way easier and extremer than in SL.

And if they want sex, they can also get it for real (and thats legal).

So I wouldn't see it as such a huge problem.

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LL takes this kind of thing very seriously.  If AR'd they make the person in question prove their RL age and suspend the account until they do.

I suspect these people are lying about being a teen just to start drama and has been previously reported and had to prove their age.  So when you report them that proof is on file and no action is taken because lying about RL information is not a violatoin of the TOS.  They may be a very immature adult who gets their kicks from this sort of thing. 

Still you are wise to report them.  You are also wise  to ban them from your sim just in case the 'proof' they submitted was counterfiet or for no other reason than to avoid this kind of drama.

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Report, report, report. Unfortunately, that's all you can do. Make sure that any reports you're filing with LL are in the correct category and are as correct and detailed as you can make them. Remember that any report not fully filled out will be discarded.

If you see a minor on adult land and their profile lists them as a minor, take a screenshot. You're given the option to include a screenshot when you submit the report, so pull up her profile, make sure that both it and she are in the image, and screenshot it. Profiles are easy to change, but a screenshot taken when the minor is on adult land is pretty decent proof. Also keep any chat with her open on the screen for the screenshot to grab, especially if in the chat she admits to being underage. Include your chatlogs with her where she admits to being under 18. If you can get other people to submit reports as well, do so.

You can try to get other landowners to ban her by letting them know what's going on, but remember that you can't share private chatlogs, so all you have there is your word that she's underage. Some people will believe you, some won't.

Sadly, there are now and will always be minors prancing about in places they're not supposed to be. I suspect half the reason is the thrill of being somewhere they shouldn't, doing things they shouldn't. You've done your part by reporting and banning her, but she's not your kid. Disciplining her is not up to you. LL will handle it, or not. You've taken care of your end of it.

 

 

 

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You heard of a minor in an adult area where they shouldn't be and reported it, as you should have.   You did your part and made a reasonable effort to keep out minors, now It is up to LL to sort it out.  If you filed an A/R, you will never hear what LL may or may not do.  AR reports are handled privately.  Those who are underage have always gotten around the rules and will continue to do so.  The only thing we can do is continue to report them, provide our evidence, and hope LL will do something. 

In the meantime, you might consider a grass roots campaign of creating a group for Adult sim owners or adult venues,  and pass along this type of information privately among the group.  Let each sim owner or venue owner decide for themselves, what is or is not truth, and,  how they wish to handle situations for their respective areas since they have the most to lose.

Thanks for sharing and being vigilant.

 

 

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I've been in the club business in one way or another for 4 years. Trust me, lots of them admit it often when they either think no one else in "local chat" is listening or on voice. Or when they think just becuase a manager of a business is one of their good friends... its ok to admit it to them hoping they won't tell. It happens a lot.

If you think SL has nothing to attract minors, you need to research a bit more from a teens perspective. I've talked to them, there are a lot more here than you believe.

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If you AR'd this person, for all you know, LL has done something about it, such as ask for proof of age as in a faxed copy of a birth certificate or other form of ID. In my (limited) experience with the underaged in SL, they often use an older sibling, friend, or parent's ID to create an account.  If this person offers positive proof to LL of age, that really is that. Someone saying they are underage in RL isn't proof, you know people lie like rugs in SL.  I've met people who have acted very immaturely, and more often than not, I can spot a teenager. I've also met people in their 30s in RL who are more immature than most 10 year olds.

You did all you can do. Taking it farther, it seems to me, borders on harassment. LL takes this sort of thing seriously, if the person is still in adult regions, she must have satisfied LL that she is over 18, whether she is or isn't.

 

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I think the OP sees more minors in adultt areas because she's the manager of an adult club. While they don't go shouting it, from what I've seen, they're not shy about admitting it either - who knows, maybe they assume people will be cool with it? As for not much to attract teens to SL, it depends. Sex in RL isn't always so easy to come by for teens, nor is it legal, depending on where they are. Someone in a small town, someone who doesn't fit the norm, someone who has oh, standards, and doesn't want to be the school bucket, for instance, might not want to go for RL sex. How many teens go into chat rooms to find dates? I think they look at SL as more a dating site or opportunity for sex, the ones that do come here. I did know of a teen who loved music and came here to DJ, but this person stuck to G and M rated sims.

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Lucretia Brandenburg wrote:

I think the OP sees more minors in adultt areas because she's the manager of an adult club. While they don't go shouting it, from what I've seen, they're not shy about admitting it either - who knows, maybe they assume people will be cool with it? As for not much to attract teens to SL, it depends. Sex in RL isn't always so easy to come by for teens, nor is it legal, depending on where they are. Someone in a small town, someone who doesn't fit the norm, someone who has oh, standards, and doesn't want to be the school bucket, for instance, might not want to go for RL sex. How many teens go into chat rooms to find dates? I think they look at SL as more a dating site or opportunity for sex, the ones that do come here. I did know of a teen who loved music and came here to DJ, but this person stuck to G and M rated sims.

Oh come on...what do you think teenager couples do? And in what country is sex illegal under the age of 18 and who exactly would even follow that when having a gf/bf? Also the internet is full of rl porn and all you have to do is click a box with "yes I'm an adult". Also I have experianced that most teens see it as kind of uncool and awkward/strange to even consider hanging out in a virtual world or play an MMO. Sure not all of them but the majority seems to think that way. Thats why I never liked to talk in school about my hobbies or what my interests are.

Sure, if someone truly finds out that person X is a teen then its best to ban them and fill an AR, but to me this whole issue seems a bit blown up. I think teens are still a tiny group of adult sim visitors.

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There are 10 U.S. states where the age of consent is 18. So yes, in those places, sex with someone younger than 18 is against the law. Some places in the world have the age of consent at 21. As for two minors having sex together, in general, the older of the two is considered a sexual predator and the younger one a victim, though some provisions are made in some states in regard to the difference in age (4 years difference is worse than 2, for example). And yes, I've known both parents and human services agencies who have pursued legal action against someone having sex with their underage kids. Not all teenagers have boyfriends or girlfriends or are allowed to date by their parents, some live in small towns where there isn't that much of a selection re dating material. Teenagers are a horny bunch, and porn is an acquired taste, so to speak and also not interactive. I agree with you, I don't think  that many teens in adult regions are  doing the big nasty, but as I stated, the manager of an adult club may see more than usual and think they are a larger part of the adult region population than they are.

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it has to everyone's worst nightmare to engage in some naughtiness with someone they think is a over 18 in SL and only discover later that it was really a minor, maybe because the parents traced the minors internet activity.

 

it would really be a terrible situation to be in, and how really can players in an adult world protect themselves against this I wonder.

 

Sting

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You can't protect yourself, Sting. The same as you can't be sure about gender or apperance of other people you meet in SL. Only thing you can hope for is, that the minor doesn't seek you for naugthy stuff or that you are able to notice that this person is very young.


But well, all in all it isn't your fault, if the minor sneaks in and lies about their age. I don't see how someone can get long lasting trouble, if they hadn't any chance in noticing what was really going on.

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Lucretia Brandenburg wrote:

...Some places in the world have the age of consent at 21....

And some places have it at 13. It's just a line in the sand for that society after all.

Report them and move on. There are far more importantthngs to worry about.

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Report them for what? And why? Better to just let people go on and live their SL and unless it's a blatant violation of TOS or community standards, just leave others be. If minors are finding their way onto adult sims, it isn't the sim owner's problem; kids can only get there if they lie to LL about their age when they create an account. Who can tell for sure if someone is underage or perhaps lying about being underage to seem more daring or what have you? How many people in SL lie about their age?

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