Second Life looks...tacky

[Amethyst Jetaime]

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:

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Charli Infinity wrote:

jersey shore people befor the show? I  think they would still be called tacky that's why they were picked.

cheap dresses, overdone tan, and those t shirts ang gelled up hair...yeah tacky from any angle.

People that says others judge easily often don't realise they are also judging others easily themselves. If you love it you  why would you even care what other people think.

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Not to defend the Jersey Shore look by any means, but I must point out that the 'overdone tans' you complain about are the natural look of a lot of 

Mediterranean

peoples which the people on Jersey Shore as well as a lot of people in that area of the country descend from.  Their skin IS darker and looks tan to fair skinned people even when they haven't been out in the sun for months.

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Not so much.

The look is more the product of a tanning booth. Thus why it is an odd placed tan - misfitting the features, or with splotches for things like lips being untanned, or an overly orange cast from a spray on tan.

The mediterranian look is tanned, but not the same kind of tan. People in the mediterranian have natural casts to their skin. The 'Jersey Shore' look doesn't really refer to the actual people of New Jersey. But to a Hollywood parody of them. It is more a product of wealthy white trash that don't get out in the sun, do not descend from the same pool as the people around them, and use chemicals and tanning booths to 'overdo it' in a certain look - which again goes too far here but not enough there and ends up looking like a sad parody of the actually physically healthy local caucasians.

 One could almost call the Jersey Shore look "white face", as in a reference to "black face" because its kinda offensive to the actual people you describe if you think about what its made to say. Its weathly Paris Hilton types trying to be cool by acting over the top slutty and trashy because that is what they think working class whites are like... And that's really a slap in the face to actual working class white people from New Jersey...

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Shockingly I don't have cable television and rarely watch teevee at all.  I have never seen the show so i couldn't say one way or the other if the cast are really from the Jersey Shore or not or whether their appearance is a product of a tanning booth or their genes. However I do know that they are supposed to be of Italian decent, whether they are in RL or not doesn't matter. 

My point to the OP is that not everyone in the world, including many so called 'white' people have fair skin.  Some people in RL look what she calls 'overdone tan' without ever going out in the sun, tanning in a booth, or spraying their tan on.  It is not unreasonable that they come to SL and choose skins close to thier RL skin so she shouldn't be so judgemental and make the assumptions and derogatory statements about their choices like she has.

[Tari Landar]

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:

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My point to the OP is that not everyone in the world, including many so called 'white' people have fair skin.  Some people in RL look what she calls 'overdone tan' without ever going out in the sun, tanning in a booth, or spraying their tan on.  It is not unreasonable that they come to SL and choose skins close to thier RL skin so she shouldn't be so judgemental and make the assumptions and derogatory statements about their choices like she has.

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An "overdone" tan, is obvious, very, very obvious. You just said you've never seen it, so you wouldn't really know. One can spot the difference between an overdone tan, and someone with naturally darker skin. Overdone tans are more than just strange looking to some(because yes, some people do think the look is strange, and they can feel however they want to about it), they're usually quite unhealthy too. Of course it depends on how one chooses to make themselves tan, but more times than not, it isn't healthy.

The "jersey shore" look people are talking about, was called that long before the show actually came out. The show came out BECAUSE of the,well, reputation, of many of the people in the area. It's more than just their looks, it's also behavior, speech, etc...

So, yes, if one is talking about the "jersey shore look", one is most often discussing a tan that is VERY much overdone and not even remotely natural looking in appearance. There is a HUGE difference between it, and it's counterpart, the natural darker skin. It's not difficult to tell the difference. It's very difficult to match a fake tan to it's rl counterpart of darker skin, without using makeup.

I have relatives from all over the world, everything from the whitest skin I've ever seen to some of the darkest skin I've ever seen. I have relatives with a very natural darker tan skin. They don't look fake baked, at all. People who do fake bake, don't look like them either. I can tell the difference. The people on the show Jersey Shore(and millions of others like them) DO fake bake. Those tans they have, are not real, nor are they genetic. The look is man made.

 

[Suspiria Finucane]

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UncommonTruth wrote:

LOL I had to flip back and look at what I posted to see what you saw. No, teenage isn't what I was going for :smileylol: and I still don't see it. More innocent than sex goddess to be sure, but, I am no slex goddess lmao, so yes, I was going for that. 

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Facially, yes I can see the innocent look, a top may have helped achieve that a little more :matte-motes-wink: Your av is well done so kudos for that and ty for satisfying my curiosity. I appreciate it greatly. :matte-motes-smitten:

[Suspiria Finucane]

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Sephina Frostbite wrote:

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Suspiria Finucane wrote:

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Charli Infinity wrote:

why so you can attack me for stating my observation?

You've made your point. You and leia don't get that feeling that SL is tacky as I've asked in my initial post . 

Thanks for you input now walk away because you are attacking the poster rather than discussing the topic.

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Way to stick to your guns girl! There are a few here who think their opinions are the only ones worthy of posting to the forum and anyone who offers an alternative is attacked with attempted belittlement and degradation.

 

If you post more often, you might even get stalkers that follow you around the forum just to harass you. Yea, I guess it is like Jersey Shore :matte-motes-wink-tongue:

 

 

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 Stop harping on people. If you dont like the "tackiness" of sl. simply dont play or live in a home never going anywhere. 

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Ummm... harping on whom and about what exactly? Perhaps you can link the multiple posts where I am harping on people. I only see one person who could be "harping" on this thread. Also, please include the post where I said anything about not liking the "tackiness" of SL.

 

 

[Suspiria Finucane]

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Penny Patton wrote:

I haven't followed this thread, but in response to the original post, I have to agree, at least in terms of presentation.

There's a lot of variety in SL. If you wander the grid you'll see the classy, the creative, the tacky, the gaudy, to the outright obscene. However, if you're someone new to SL, or someone on the outside looking in, it seems like SL is extremly tacky and gaudy when it comes to appearances.

Until recently, this was true of pretty much all of SL's own marketing materials, as well as marketplace listing imagery. When you present a user created world as looking tacky, you're going to skew the community towards one which favours that and push away a lot of potential content creators who would create less tacky content.

Another thing to consider is that the vast majority of content creators are amateurs. Sadly, SL's content creation tools neighter offer the capabilities of more advanced tools but also do not provide the ease of use you'd expect from tools aimed at casual designers. This discourages a more polished look SL should be capable of by making content creation more difficult than it needs to be for the average user and also pushing away potential content creators with more advanced skills. All of which leads to a rougher, less polished look to nearly all content in SL, which adds to the feeling that SL looks tacky.

 

Again, that's not to say there aren't very talented people making amazing looking content in SL. There's plenty of avatars and places in SL that don't look tacky at all., but they're not the face of SL. They're not what you see when casually browsing the marketplace, or looking at SL screenshots on the SL website or the internet in general. You also don't often see that side of SL when wandering through the areas new users are most likely to wind up first, such as tutorial and infohub areas.

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Excellent post :matte-motes-smile:

[Suspiria Finucane]

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Czari Zenovka wrote:

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Suspiria Finucane wrote:

Your av looks about 16 or 17, was that your intent? I'm not knocking it, to each their own, just curious is all.

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I'm seeing that look around a lot lately and have thought the same thing...some of these looks I see on adult women look around 12ish.

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I've been trying not to comment on the lack of makeup application experience hehe

 

I've seen teen looking avatars for years but the degree of detail is getting better with each passing year. I suppose if it's popular, creators will keep improving on it.

 

[Suspiria Finucane]

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Tari Landar wrote:

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:

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My point to the OP is that not everyone in the world, including many so called 'white' people have fair skin.  Some people in RL look what she calls 'overdone tan' without ever going out in the sun, tanning in a booth, or spraying their tan on.  It is not unreasonable that they come to SL and choose skins close to thier RL skin so she shouldn't be so judgemental and make the assumptions and derogatory statements about their choices like she has.

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An "overdone" tan, is obvious, very, very obvious. You just said you've never seen it, so you wouldn't really know. One can spot the difference between an overdone tan, and someone with naturally darker skin. Overdone tans are more than just strange looking to some(because yes, some people do think the look is strange, and they can feel however they want to about it), they're usually quite unhealthy too. Of course it depends on how one chooses to make themselves tan, but more times than not, it isn't healthy.

The "jersey shore" look people are talking about, was called that long before the show actually came out. The show came out BECAUSE of the,well, reputation, of many of the people in the area. It's more than just their looks, it's also behavior, speech, etc...

So, yes, if one is talking about the "jersey shore look", one is most often discussing a tan that is VERY much overdone and not even remotely natural looking in appearance. There is a HUGE difference between it, and it's counterpart, the natural darker skin. It's not difficult to tell the difference. It's very difficult to match a fake tan to it's rl counterpart of darker skin, without using makeup.

I have relatives from all over the world, everything from the whitest skin I've ever seen to some of the darkest skin I've ever seen. I have relatives with a very natural darker tan skin. They don't look fake baked, at all. People who do fake bake, don't look like them either. I can tell the difference. The people on the show Jersey Shore(and millions of others like them) DO fake bake. Those tans they have, are not real, nor are they genetic. The look is man made.

 

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Well done! (no pun intended)

[Trinity Yazimoto]

well, i think that we have to be honnest here...

yes, there are tacky things, places, avis in sl, yes there are even more ugly things, places, avis in sl... and mostly its what we get to see at our first days/weeks/monthes in SL.

But no more, no less than in RL... as someone said, SL is just a mirror of RL... SL contents are made by RL pp, so what we see in SL can be also seen in RL. That's just life and diversity.

Suspiria said its subjective, and i agree with her on that point. What can be ugly for me, can be lovely for someone else. 

At first, when i came to this "ugly" places in SL, i just thought (dont jump on me, it was just my first impression, then i used my brain to know i was wrong) "OMG ! this US pp have a so tacky taste ! "...It was the first impressions, bec, after all, SL is a US company and even if the pp here comes from everypart of the planet, we have to admit there is a large part of the public from US. On top, at this time, i didnt know even that the contents were not done my LL themselves but by residents. After having thought this.. i completely accepted the idea that well, to eveyone their own and for me it has never been a problem to accept diversity and the fact that what can be great for me, can be ugly for others and vice versa...

Then i started to know better and better SL and now, i can say that i rarely see anymore these ugly things. Ive met some pp from US and other country with even more raffinement and better liking than i could ever imagine.  

So my point is that the pb is not the tacky side, but the cheap side... im not saying that the price of things does the quality... im really not likely thinking this way. but in SL the shame is that the first place pp see are done not with a esthetic purpose but for a short term commercial purpose.

IMHO LL should care a lil more what the users have to see at first. Make easier or help with more tutorials inworld how to make an avi. give some good lms for original creators, and beautifull places.

What did i see in my first monthes of SL ?, tons of huge malls, with no more than stores using templates already made, all same... same style, same templates, and even same colors... tons of this....It took me time in the immensity of SL to find finally, the beauty of SL.

As i said, now, i really rarely have to see the things that are "according me", ugly to my eyes... All i see is beauty everywhere, originality, creativity... i see some tacky avis rezzing in my store... with this tacky skins, shapes, boobs, bling shoes, common clothes and often without even an ao... but well, they are learning.. they are noobies and i just guess that like me, one day, they will know better sl and find their real style...And even maybe, maybe they just like this style.. this doesnt make them bad person either... just different tastes than mine. 

There is a real beauty in sl, just pp need to meet it... and for this they need to explore again and again till they found.

ive never been ashamed to tell my rl family and friends about SL... i even never hide that there is a good part of pp that only come in SL for sex... Sex is part of life, a lot of pp watch porn web site or movie and never tell it but then they will mock about SL. This is pure hypocritisis. If some pp find they happyness with sl sex, i dont have any pb about this... its their trick, not mine, but still their right and i dont judge... I still find better someone come in sl for sex than goes in the street and harrass girls in RL. its just an outlet for these persons and sometimes it can be useful. This is what i explain to my rl pp when i talk about SL... and these ones knows me outside of SL, i trust them enough to not jugde me only bec im in SL.

@Charli, i think you should leave the "tacky" place and start to visit the non tacky side of SL. And about your rl pp, i advice you to trust them enough to not judge you only about your participation in a game like SL. If they really love you, they will know you better than just about what SL is for some residents. Trust them more. Because, for now, what you are doing is just deciding for us what they will think about you if they know you are a SL resident. Let them decide by themselves :smileywink:

[Leia36]

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Czari Zenovka wrote:

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Leia36 wrote:

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Solaria Goldshark wrote:

Let's play a game:  Tacky or Not Tacky 

 

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Every photo I've ever seen of you looks classy. :matte-motes-smile:  LOVE that middle white gown...where did you get that??

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Why thank you Czari, That is -AZUL- Nerola/Pearl from Azul

[Charli Infinity]

Meet the real life second life avatar

black dress with lola applicator L$300

realistic skin high detail texture L$1000

"I'm wearing a dress so I'm not tacky"

[Charli Infinity]

That's what the marketplace looks like

[Leia36]

I dont see why anyone need reply to you anymore, fine you find SL tacky, delete your account or deal with it. SL isn't going to change anytime soon.

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

That's what the marketplace looks like

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yes, but your pics are from real life... so id say that's what a part of rl looks like too... just a part... like its just a part of the marketplace that looks like. 

My marketplace store doesnt look like this at all, and i firmly think that its not the only one that doesnt look like this.

and id like to add smthing here. Tacky is just a look, that doesnt tell at all what is the person inside... never judge by the look... these persons have surely a tacky look, but they are maybe great pp inside...they are daughters, sons, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends for other persons who love them bec, according to them, these persons are lovable.. The appearance is the result of education and culture, maybe these persons havent been lucky enough to have the ones for having better taste. But in any case, this mean these persons are not worth to be known or havent any quality... Maybe they havent enough strengh to resist to the silly culture all medias is bringing to us, but not eveyone can have it. It s not a reason to judge them.

As i said, there is not only this in SL and far from this. I agree the tacky side exist in sl but not only. So maybe you should put more effort to find the non tacky side and leave the tacky side exist on its side.. After all, they have also the right to exist and to be present in SL. Its your world, your imagination.. work on this and find your beauty side in SL. We can all live together.

[Charli Infinity]

Yeah that's the point. the non tacky side needs to be "found", that's why I say Second Life looks tacky because a big part of it does look tacky

[Charli Infinity]

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Penny Patton wrote:

When you present a user created world as looking tacky, you're going to skew the community towards one which favours that and push away a lot of potential content creators who would create less tacky content.

 

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Very true.

[161488303349]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

Yeah that's the point. the non tacky side needs to be "found", that's why I say Second Life looks tacky because a big part of it does look tacky

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so you found some RL pics

[Charli Infinity]

to illustrate the point

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

Yeah that's the point. the non tacky side needs to be "found", that's why I say Second Life looks tacky because a big part of it does look tacky

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well the better things needs always to give some efforts for them... This is just called life...

if you need help to find it, im sure a lot persons here will be glad to help you. Even me (althought im not a lot in SL these days bec of personal RL reasons). 

As i said it took me time for finding it. But once i found it, i never had to see again these tacky places or pp.

For everything, if you put effort for them, you ll apreciate them better than the things that came easily..This is human nature. The society nowadays tries now to make us believe its wrong, but its not. Things have to be deserved for being apreciated the way they have to be.

Since you have a lastname, i may guess you re not a newbie anymore. If i was thinking the way you are thinking, i could say that if you still havent found the non tacky sl is maybe bec you have a tacky imagination (your world, your imagination) yourself.... but i dont think the way you think, so i just guess you havent been lucky till now and maybe you havent put enough effort in finding the non tacky SL. So well, if im enough in mood to be in SL this week end, ill send you a folder with tons of lms where you wont see anything tacky. But non seeing tacky things wont mean they wont exist anymore... just that humanity is far from being perfect and also that tastes are subjective. But well, you wont see them anymore, so you wont mind anymore. And maybe you'll even forget them.

[Charli Infinity]

I'm not new and I have found some that are more creative What I do see is that majority of SL does prefer this tacky look.

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

I'm not new and I have found some that are more creative What I do see is that majority of SL does prefer this tacky look.

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yes, and this is exactly the same in RL. if the average pp in rl had a good taste, we should be aware already...

Ill be the first to complain with you about the society we are living in... but you cant condamn SL for being a mirror of RL... SL is made by pp from RL, it cant be so different.

i would deplore that LL doesnt care more what new residents see at first... but well.. this is not the only thing i would deplore from LL (the list is long). And again.... these tacky pp have the same rights than you and me to exist in RL and SL...If they enjoy the tacky style, they are welcome to do... without me... but in this case its my pb to find other style i enjoy better. 

So leave the tacky pp to the style their enjoy, give them rights to exist and find your style and enjoy it. Noone is able to judge and say one style has more rights to exist than other one. And if you happen to see things that annoy your look, you still can derender them (with Firestorm viewer) and so not being annoyed anymore. This is called "Tolerance". IMHO its a must for everyone.

[161488303349]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

to illustrate the point

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what point? that those RL people are tacky? or just that tacky is as tacky sees?

[Leia36]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

What I do see is that majority of SL does prefer this tacky look.

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Well we must be looking at a different SL then.

Maybe we should ban all AVs with a hemline higher than the kneels, and topless guys, sounds like quite a Final Solution. So we need a Supreme Justice of Fashion, with the power to ban people who are tacky forever.

Damn there goes gor :smileysad:

[Charli Infinity]

Yes I guess the avatars do reflect their real life taste.

The whole reason of this post. It's quite embarassing to admit being apart of Second Life because of this tacky image.

The creative and interesting is buried under all this tack. It's not very appealing. Maybe it's not all the quality of the game that makes new members leave but the tackiness of the community that people don't want to be associated with in real life.

[Charli Infinity]

There's tacky everywhere but SL seems to be dominated by it.

[Leia36]

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Charli Infinity wrote:

Yes I guess it the avatars do reflect their real life taste.

The whole reason of this post. It's quite embarassing to admit being apart of Second Life because of this tacky image.

The creative and interesting is buried under all this tack. It's not very appealing. Maybe it's not all the quality of the game and that makes new members leave but the tackiness of the commuity that people don't want to be associated with it in real life.

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That's their loss *shrugs

so basically you are calling EVERYONE in SL tacky. 15 pages later and you still don't get it,  generalizing away. God I hate bigotry

In one ear and out the other..