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Gambling is still banned under the TOS so go ahead and report them if you want to, if they are in violation..

Here is a link to the Gambling Policy

It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life® environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games:

  1. Rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner,
    OR
  2. Rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events,

AND provide a payout in

  1. Linden Dollars (L$)
    OR
  2. Any real-world currency or thing of value.

This includes (but is not limited to), for example, Casino Games such as:

  • Baccarat
  • Blackjack
  • Craps
  • Faro
  • Keno
  • Pachinko
  • Pai Gow
  • Poker
  • Roulette
  • Sic Bo
  • Slot machines

This policy also includes sports books or sports betting, including the placing of bets on actual sporting events against a book-maker or through a betting exchange.

Linden Lab will actively enforce this policy. If we discover gambling activities that violate the policy, we will remove all related objects from the inworld environment, may suspend or terminate the accounts of residents involved without refund or payment, and may report any relevant details, including user information, to authorities and financial institutions.

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I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

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Spot Off.  Plenty people complain re.  LL's selective attitude to gambling and select creators.

The sploder is gambling.  No ifs or buts or maybes.  

Plenty people also complain about a lot.   Nothing happens.  LL are not proactive or reactive, they simply do not listen to their customers or care one iota.

 

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I could have clarified my spot on comment. I agree though LL has a lot to improve in communications in every avenue not just AR's. I have always had a response to any issue I brought to LL's attention. I am sure others as well. IMO LL does not have ears for the technical side of things from the community.

Edit: It has been in my experience knowing people and situations on this av and my av from 3 years ago, that many people say they are going to make a complaint and they end up being all talk.

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"It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life® environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games:

Rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner,..."

 

So if the game were not on LL's servers, it would not violate the TOS? For example, if someone put a game of chance on a Web page that was hosted on a non-LL server and used media on a prim to make it accessible from a SL casino

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You will never get rid of gambling and honestly my opinion games of Skill Like Zyngo, and All these other slots are Gambling reguardless of game of skill.

Now you can apply the word game of Skill to about any game you create in a game, however the way I see it is Zyngo is a game of chance not actual Skills while this is an opinion of course the only skill involved in some of these games is choosing numbers, not getting a devil, clicking double up or things like this I have tried out a few of them, and to me I find them gambling.

Also a lot of these private gambling simulators are running illegal IP Logging software, so the moment you step on their simulator if your media is enabled, or anything they snatch your IP, I found some of these sims running SpyWare devices like Red Zone to track alts Without notice or consent.

Then you have the other way to gambling such as you pay X Money to exchange for outside currency through a server, or you buy virtual credits as a payment and use those to then gamble with those credits, to me its all still gambling but there is plenty of ways to launder the money around cash out when something is done illegally or fraud other players via scams, marketplace, gambling, Games OF Skill.

Do I mind the gambling personally no, Do I trust gambling on the internet or SL no because they can be rigged unless I can see the code I am not going to trust it, Personally I say let users do what they want, however with that said if someone does tick me off and I find out they are gambling I will report it to LL and if that doesn't work I contact someone who will make sure LL removes it.

In my opinion Linden Lab, should either allow gambling and protest it in a court saying that virtual currency is not real money or they should remove all games of skill from Second Life as well.

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Allisah wrote:

I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

if the sploders free to play then is not gambling

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Jennifer Boyle wrote:

"It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life® environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games:

Rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner,..."

 

So if the game were not on LL's servers, it would not violate the TOS? For example, if someone put a game of chance on a Web page that was hosted on a non-LL server and used media on a prim to make it accessible from a SL casino

would be a violation of the up and until now understanding of US law. linden be liable for facilitating the transfer of money for an illegal purpose

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however, the States of Nevada and New Jersey have challenged this understanding. Federal DoJ have just recently announced that they agree with the States

is now the opinion that the law apply only to sports betting. That games of chance and poker are not sports

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Nevada and New Jersey now in the process of passing their own legislation allowing online casinos operations include poker rooms to operate out of their States. The new DoJ understanding means that they believe they have no legal authority to prosecute someone else in another State who plays on them, or facilitates inter-state money transfers to them

dunno how this will affect SL as linden not operate out of those states

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the dumb thing was that was the casinos in those states that got their pet politicians to sneak the law change through in the dark bc they thought online was take away their business

what they found out was that when people don't have easy access to gambling like from their homes then they don't gamble. like get the bug. the addiction. and when they don't gamble like not addicted then they don't go on holiday to las vegas and atlantic city to gamble. they go other places and spend their money

they got no shame those gambling owner people

  

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Allisah wrote:

I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

if the sploders free to play then is not gambling

I've personally never seen a sploder that was free to play - the very nature of sploders is that people pay into them and the "explosion" randomly distributes the total amongst the players.

Now a sploder randomly handing out money with no one paying in would be novel. ;)

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GothGirl Demonia wrote:

You will never get rid of gambling and honestly my opinion games of Skill Like Zyngo, and All these other slots are Gambling reguardless of game of skill.


Zyngo is not a game of skill, it's pure chance masquearing as skill. I'd not be surprised if it's also rigged to ensure loss (like those crane type "games" in rl fairs where the grasper is rigged to let whatever it holds slip just before reaching the chute 99% of the time).

LL for whatever reason doesn't however act against it, probably because they make a nice income renting out the land hosting the casinos and selling the L$ to the victims/customers/addicts.

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Allisah wrote:

I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

if the sploders free to play then is not gambling

Umm...I kind of know that.
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 it wouldn't be considered gambling of any type without wagering. That wasn't my question. It was how they get away with calling them a game of skill..if that's what they do for them to stay on the grid all over the place.
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There are many other states in the US that have gambling that many would not even guess or know about. Most every state has quite a few American Indian reservations that have casions and hotels too on them that are not goverened by US laws. There are even states that you can only gamble if the casino (or riverboat as they call them) is actually in the water then different laws apply. If people want to gamble there is always a place pretty close in at least 29 of the US states. People go to Vegas and Atlantic City all the time not just Holidays, there are many very cheap deals for flights anytime of the week.

 

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There are lots of ways to cheat the system. That doesn't mean you should. LL governs what they know about, so if nobody reports something that's against the rules, it stays. The Lindens don't patrol inworld, looking for things to ban. They can block certain words; for instance, they can decide to crack down on sploders and set up a program to search for anything with the word "sploder." People who create and use sploders can then change the name to Xploder and sneak under the radar. Or I could, for instance, create a machine and call it Slingo. The actual function of that machine could be as a slot machine, but if no Lindens see it and no one reports it, I won't get in trouble. That doesn't mean I should do it; but I could.

Any time someone sets up a rule, there are going to be a dozen people trying to figure out how to get around it. The Lindens can't patrol every sim at every hour of every day, so they don't even try. They simply rely on user reports.

 

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I totally agree with you. I also realize the Lindens are barely inworld period. I just can't understand how so many of these sploders still exist on the grid. Again it's not just clubs and venues like that sploders are in, I have seen them in many stores. I do AR them. Unfortunately if i elaborate more on it, I risk deletion. I do agree with all you said.

edit: when I said in another post many people say they report things and don't I should have clarified I meant that as a general response to general TOS Rules. As far as sploders, I know people report them all the time (for other reasons besides breaking TOS with gambling), that's what I don't get, they are all over the grid and MP with the name "sploder".

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Czari Zenovka wrote:


16 wrote:


Allisah wrote:

I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

if the sploders free to play then is not gambling

I've personally never seen a sploder that was free to play - the very nature of sploders is that people pay into them and the "explosion" randomly distributes the total amongst the players.

Now a sploder randomly handing out money with no one paying in would be novel.
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is quite a few of them. is one gridwide system inworld that quite popular

basically sim owners buy them and fill with money as much as they want. at set times they go off. to play you have to click on the ball. when it go off then it pay out some small amounts if you on the sim

the system owners got a website where you can see where is all the xploders inworld and what time they due to go off. so can play it like a hunt

the system always trying to be gamed by people making homebrew bot runners. is quite interesting how the system owners fighting them off. is kinda like a mini techy war going on. the system owner never baw about it publicly seems like. when they see a new technique that a bot runner comes up with then they work out how is done and make a counter for it

  

 

 

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Allisah wrote:


16 wrote:


Allisah wrote:

I have a question. I see sploders all over SL, they pay out Lindens and there is no skill in using them. How do places get away with using those. Some have detection too even puts you on a list out of SL if you don't click it. Aren't those illegal?

if the sploders free to play then is not gambling

Umm...I kind of know that.
:)
 it wouldn't be considered gambling of any type without wagering. That wasn't my question. It was how they get away with calling them a game of skill..if that's what they do for them to stay on the grid all over the place.

maybe you meaning something else then if you talking about games of skill

sploders are the balls you click on and can put money into. usual minimum 10L and up to as much you want. so do other people. after a time it splodes and whoever is in can win

sometimes can be heaps. like people go insane if they having a good time. the biggest sploder prize I seen in recent was L72,000

the club owner put in 500L which about normal prize for that club. the DJ put in 500L. the hostess put in 500L. then a patron put in 1500L to match. the DJ went ooowwwwahhh!!! and double up. the club owner double it. another patron then double. the first patron went lol and put in another 2000L. and it went nuts after that. as everyone pile into it

for the rest of the next 2 hours of that DJs set the sploder never had less than 20,000L in it. people TP in from all over. loading it up lol and playing. was amazing crazy

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this plain gambling. is no skill involved at all. and is no pretense that it is

 

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I do not mean to be rude, but.....

You are either:-

1) astonishingly naive.

2) A shill of the highest grade (and I personally suspect this to be the case), or

3) Bosom buddies with a sploder creator.

The free sploders you refer to are negligible.  And well you know it.  However, even if they were legion, we are talking here about gambling in SL, which the vast majority of sploders in clubs do, as do the amusingly titled 'skill' games that LL only give a cursory glance to.

Also, at least one of the sploders is also an alt detector with a database on a separate website that creates a blacklist of any resident who actually places some value on his/her privacy by being a member of Greenzone, the anti-spyware group..  (LL never learns from it's lessons, when forced to act in the interests of their customers, as they had to with redzone.)

In essence, LL permits gambling if it's called something else and your face fits.  Similar, in a way, to how they re-label the word 'rent' - for saps who think they have actually bought land - and call it 'tier'.   

I sure as hell wish my accountant was ex LL!

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