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Some slavegirls need training in giving sexual pleasure, much of it with emotes. The kind of stuff escorts normally do - in fact, training in other parts of escorting would be welcome too, so the slave could be made to earn for her owner.

Would there be places where a girl can be placed for such training? It does not have to be a "slave" place proper, it can be an escort club that trains its employees, I can make her collar invisible if necessary. I tend to deal with willing slaves so they can be trusted with being employees and yet submitting (and handing over what they earn).

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They roleplay as slaves but they need some more skill in sexy writing of emotes. That's what escorts get paid for - you can find a free av to poseball screw anywhere, but good escorts enhance the feeling by emoting well. And this is an acquired skill.

I know something about writing myself, but I am not very experienced as a trainer for others. And some slaves are quite eager to learn.

 

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Muireann McMillan wrote:

 but good escorts enhance the feeling by emoting well. And this is an acquired skill.

 

Slaves that have acquired these skills are not going to be sticking around waiting to be used IMO, M/s RP is something that newbies might show an interest in, but any girl worth her salt is going to after one thing..Love So be prepared for a never ending cycle of training newbies to emote. I would encourage you to rethink your idea from the experienced slave's point of view and/or trainer's perspectives. What's in it for them?  What do you offer that they can't find on their own?

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I know that a good escort is not just a poseballhopper. My point was more that being a slave is also some kind of roleplay and if they are already good at expresing their feelings and the situation within this role, I don't really see what stops them from using this skills for erotic services.

If I am good at playing an elven huntress I don't need to learn any basics for playing the role of knight fighting for his king. (Just my plain view as a roleplayer...maybe I have overseen something).

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Earn for her owner?!?!?!?

That is a big no no. forcing someone to give you their $L is against the TOS. RP or not. that would be like telling someone who is your RP slave that is also a merchant that they have to give you half their profits.

Calm down Drake....how again should she force them to give her the money? If one of the girls doesn't want to do that they can always go away, click the red cross or mute her. Forceing needs power to exist and in SL nobody has real physical power over others. I don't know about any part of the TOS speaking about D/S relationships...maybe because part of that is that all actions here happen with both parties agreeing to it.

If you see this as force...they are already acting as slaves, is that against the TOS too? Its roleplay, thats it.

I wouldn't do such things sure...but its not LL responsibility if some users do things because someone said they should.

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I have never mentioned force. In fact I never force (even RP force) anyone to become my slave. RP (including RLV) force is fine for the occasional bondage/sex play, but when we talk about ownership, i want it offered willingly on their knees, or not at all.

Some such slaves are  also willing to earn for their owner, and I see it as the responsibility of the owner to find training for such slaves and provide other conditions.

Money or not, we're talking patriarchal slavery in SL really - with the owner ruling and ensuring the slaves' needs are met, and the slaves in turn serving faithfully. Chattel slavery, where the owner has no responsibility, is often mentioned because it is a sexy concept for many people, but appears to be pure RP.

End result: no TOS violation, Willing L$ transactions are not violations of the TOS, even in context of relationships that would not be legal RL. Otherwise, SL prostitution would break the TOS.

 

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If they want to learn to emote - they need to spend years on HTML 'cyber' chat sites, with no avatars to look at, they will be forced to think about how they word things.

 

Having said that, I spent years on them and I met some who still can't emote so.....:matte-motes-tongue:

 

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To agree with Syo above, it's definitely not against TOS to give L$ to another because they demand or expect it via roleplay. You can have girls earn easily, since no-one can be forced to hand over their L$ unknowingly or unwillingly (it can't be pickpocketed or stolen). Most SL jobs fit into the category of roleplay, L$ obligation and exchange.

Regarding lessons:-

Having taught both slaves and dancers to roleplay and emote, the way I've most commonly seen it done is that an experienced roleplayer would be paired up with new girls (typically, the experienced girl would be carefully hired, and paid), and they'd run through what's known as 'serves' or 'tricks' together. Given time, and ample opportunity to 'pause' (so that the new girl can ask questions, work out alternative word choices, and learn alluring vocabulary), typically things move quickly, assuming motivation on both parts. As the new girl improves she can begin practising, and then compared against her peers to assess her progress. You will likely have to teach much more than emotes, as scripted toys for sexual play are common in SL also. And you should provide at least a basic guidance against things like having your girls being taken advantage of, poached by others, or having customers 'fall' for them.

I would for sure avoid any 'typical' training or teaching location; you can't afford to skimp on the quality and value provided by your girls if you're planning to turn this into any kind of 'business' (as opposed to being simply a roleplay endeavour). The personal touch, where you can watch and see it happen, and notice the differences between a brand new hire and your best earner, or where you can be sure their lessons are keyed to their role.

Mostly, good luck. It's not easy work these days, and I would imagine it's far more work than whatever you'll make from it. Hiring choices are the most important thing, as not just 'anyone' is suited to this kind of career. Especially be careful with the quality and standard of the experienced girl, and keep a close eye on lessons. It'd be easy to learn a few things at the same time. 

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Actually, it would be against the TOS as they would be prostitutes giving their money to a pimp. And prostitution is illegal in California. By agreeing to the TOS you agreed to abide by California and US laws. Virtual or not, its illegal.

That being said, 99% of people don't pay for SL sex. Those that do stop when they find a free sex sim. Personally i find it abhorrent that people play on poor lonely men like this. Mind you i was a male escort for 2 years, but i wasn't someone hooker. i kept my money.

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

Actually, it would be against the TOS as they would be prostitutes giving their money to a pimp. And prostitution is illegal in California. By agreeing to the TOS you agreed to abide by California and US laws. Virtual or not, its illegal.

That being said, 99% of people don't pay for SL sex. Those that do stop when they find a free sex sim. Personally i find it abhorrent that people play on poor lonely men like this. Mind you i was a male escort for 2 years, but i wasn't someone hooker. i kept my money.

Not exactly, Drake.

1. There are quite a few brothels in SL which charge sometimes a part of the money the escorts earn to cover up costs for new club equipment and so on. No problem with that as it seems. (And on this thing I would value the actual situation more than what any US law may say about rl prostitution). Also giving the money as a "gift" is not illegal and I see little to no reason to fear any kind of law. I mean...speaking of prostitution being illegal in California...the whole ever-growing escort business in SL would be illegal. But do you see anything happening? :catwink:

2. 99%? I don't think so...if that would be true, only newbies would wander around the escort places and nobody would get paid for anything. But that isn't the case. Oh and I don't feel pity for any lonly man who hires an escort...

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roleplaying  and emoting skills in any kind of genre can be enhanced by studying novels erotica, watching relevant movies, attending seminars and workshops, sharing experiences with other slaves etc. so this has basically to do with the individual spending hours of rl time to train and definitely it goes way beyond sl and pixel sex on poseballs.   good training for slaves is done in gorean kennels. you can try that. Personally i do all of the above.

 

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

Actually, it would be against the TOS as they would be prostitutes giving their money to a pimp.

 Virtual or not, its illegal.

This is silly. I'm not going to derail the thread by getting into it, but I highly recommend researching whether Internet porn (interactive or not) is equivilent to prostitution if the words above are your sincere opinion. Either way I would think twice about presenting these thoughts as though they were facts.

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from what i understand you have to have a license to transmit pornographic material if you are getting paid for it.

where did you get your understanding?

i've tried googling the subject and can't find a single reference to this idea.

i'm not saying it ain't so, but i'm very curious.

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Legally speaking, in order to run an sex business one would have to abide by the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act  which means they would have to have proof that their "escorts" were over the age of 18. seeing as it is against the TOS to demand RL info, how could they possibly be in compliance with this federal law?  

I do apologize however, the license was actually in reference to a phone sex business, so long as they dont use voice they are ok.

Technically any voice sex for money falls under that law.

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

Legally speaking, in order to run an sex business one would have to abide by the
  which means they would have to have proof that their "escorts" were over the age of 18. seeing as it is against the TOS to demand RL info, how could they possibly be in compliance with this federal law?  

I do apologize however, the license was actually in reference to a
, so long as they dont use voice they are ok.

Technically any voice sex for money falls under that law.

With due respect, you are applying too many generalities here.

ANY business in CA has to be licensed.  So the link about Phone Sex Operator is just being tailored to your search.  Show a specific law.

Second, COPA deals with images.  I am not aware first off that text or voice chat is prohibited with a Minor.  I could get as explicit as I want.  I could possibly be charged with 'grooming,' but that is a separate issue, was I trying to entice the Minor to a RL meet up?  Whether a minor generating a pornographic image such as an SL Ava to send is prohibited I'm not aware of any prohibitions.  Could be, I don't know.

Now if they got naked for me RL Web Cam...then we've broke the law.  No question about that.

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