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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

Being a person that has spent quite a bit of time in a state that allows female toplessness I can count on one hand the number of women i have seen topless in public. If it is such a huge frickin deal to have equal ability to be topless, why are they not using it? Perhaps they feel the need to cover up to protect the children. Or to help cut down on car accidents.

I think it have more to do with modesty that any other reason. way more people are modest than immodest in public. it also have to do with being sensitive toward other peoples feelings

even on M and A sims in public places more avatars got clothes on than not when look at all M/A together. if is a sign that says Nudity ok on M then more people get naked. but if is no sign then they don't unless they actual doing it. then afterwards they get dressed again. just like they do RL

 

 

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Phil Deakins wrote:

So it's nothing to do with men being unable to control themselves. If there's any lack of control in men, it's more likely to occur when female parts are covered. But there's no lack of control in men at all,

Not sure if you meant it literally. But, there is lack of control in some men.

I know what Orca was getting at - in cultures in which women are made to cover from head to toe, or be beaten or worse, the women are made to hold the entire responsibility for sexual thoughts or responses. In some of those same cultures, rape victims are jailed and blamed for the rape. 

I don't know that it applies to situations such as walking around topless. I think a woman walking around topless is putting herself at risk. I can see why the analogy is made but to me it's not the same situation as not wearing a cloth to cover one's entire head.

I also thought Orca was referencing Gor a bit, with the 'face is the same or worse than showing a breast' bit. The reasoning was kind of all over teh place.

But as far as it sometimes happening that men lose control, or perceive any woman as 'theirs' to do with what they will, or blaming women for showing skin or being out at night - it happens. 

There are also reilgions that put the onus on women if men have 'sinful thoughts.' 

Obviously most men can and do control themselves, or it would be mayhem out there.

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I heard about that rape and death on the news but it has nothing to do with this discussion. Men commit rape because they want to and not because they can't control themselves. The woman who was raped was fully clothed so it's not an example of what Orca said - that men can't control themselves when faced with naked female breasts.

Men only find female breasts to be very attractive because they are normally covered up and out of sight. If they were normally on show, they wouldn't hold any more attraction to men than any other part of the female body that was normally uncovered.

Here's a thought. If it was the norm for women to be topless, as it is the norm for their hands to be naked, for instance, then female breasts would usually be the opposite of attractive, because only a small minority of women have breasts that match up to the shape they appear to be when clothed in a bra. Bras do a great service for women, by usually giving them a shape they don't naturally have. If it were men who made women cover their breasts, as Orca thinks it is, then they'd be covered in such a way as to make them unattractuve. But the opposite is true. Women wear bras that lift their breasts, and make them stick out more, making them a lot more attractive than they naturally are.

Orca's statement was wrong. It meant that men make women cover their breasts because they (men) can't control themselves when female breasts are on show. It's absolute nonsense.

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Melita Magic wrote:

Phil Deakins wrote:

So it's nothing to do with men being unable to control themselves. If there's any lack of control in men, it's more likely to occur when female parts are covered. But there's no lack of control in men at all,

Not sure if you meant it literally. But,

 

I think that goes way beyond lack of self control.

They beat her and her date and raped her and inserted a metal rod into her body, severely damaging her internal organs so much so that she was unable to recover and after 10 days in the hospital under the care of specialists she died.

That is not lack of self control, that is humanity at its worst.

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Yes, agreed. Not being able to control oneself is eating that extra slice of cake when you know you shouldn't.

Or only eating half a tin of condensed milk, putting the remainder in the fridge for the next day, but not being able to leave it there, so 30 minutes later it's out again and being eaten. Yes, I do that, and I can't stop myself from getting it back out of the fridge.

Or eating some After Eights from a new box and saving the rest for another time. I can't do that either.

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Milk in a tin?

Eating milk?

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Oh, 

You like what, eat it with a spoon? I've only ever seen it used in baking.

At least I guessed right in that After Eights were a candy! 


My mum said, during the war, it was called Conny Onny and they would just have home-baked bread dipped in it as a treat.

My ex-husband made the most delicious banoffee pie with tinned condensed milk.

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Milk in a tin?

Eating milk?

Eta:

Oh, 

You like what, eat it with a spoon? I've only ever seen it used in baking.

At least I guessed right in that After Eights were a candy! 

it's probably better than chugging down a big ole glass of evaporated milk..

it's dry dry..

nothing like a good old glass of evaporated milk and powdered toast to get your day started hehehehe

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Echo Hermit wrote:

 
Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Milk in a tin?

Eating milk?

Eta:

Oh, 

You like what, eat it with a spoon? I've only ever seen it used in baking.

At least I guessed right in that After Eights were a candy! 

My mum said, during the war, it was called Conny Onny and they would just have home-baked bread dipped in it as a treat.

My ex-husband made the most delicious banoffee pie with tinned condensed milk.

Yes, desserts is what I've seen it used in. Which war?

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Echo Hermit wrote:

 
Charolotte Caxton wrote:

Milk in a tin?

Eating milk?

Eta:

Oh, 

You like what, eat it with a spoon? I've only ever seen it used in baking.

At least I guessed right in that After Eights were a candy! 

My mum said, during the war, it was called Conny Onny and they would just have home-baked bread dipped in it as a treat.

My ex-husband made the most delicious banoffee pie with tinned condensed milk.

Yes, desserts is what I've seen it used in. Which war?

Second World War

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

I found this list,

Make any sense to you?

Makes a ton of sense. Although I am born and bred in Yorkshire, and Scouse folk, Liverpool, Manchester is a whole other county (with whom we did have a civil war a long, long time ago apparently), my mother was from Manchester, and as a UK northerner, I understand much of what is in the list you linked to.

If you can find an episode of "Coronation Street", a really well-known soap opera, you'd get a bit more idea of how we speaka-da-language :matte-motes-big-grin-wink:

 

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Charolotte Caxton wrote:

I've heard of that show, don't think I've seen it, but I'll look it up
:)

Just go over to youtube and type in Coronation Street. Some nice kind people have uploaded the latest episodes.

There used to be a character in it years ago called Bet Lynch. She used to call everyone "c0ck", which is the equivalent of "honey", "dear", "love", "duck", "mate", "pal". 

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