Privacy and ad boards

[Lydia Craig]

Apparently there is a great deal of concern in non-LL circles that the new privacy interetations that come with the new third party view policy, will destablize ad boards, upon which clubs in general and dance and escort clubs in particular depend for income.  If Linden Labs takes time to think about the nature of these boards they will leave them alone, and not change the scripts involved in telling if you are on or offline.  The reason for this is simple and should be obvious to anyone familiar with such boards.  These board are purchased by individuals as a means of self advertisment, and by the act of purchasing them they voluntarly agree to let their online status be listed.  This is hardly a violation of privacy for if you do not wish your status to appear your can simply not get a board or go work in a club that takes a percentage of tips and fees, which by the way generally will cost you far more money per week than a board. 

Agreed broadcasting your onlinge status without your consent is likely to some degree an invasion of privacy, but by renting a board you agree to reveal your online status, and indeed doing so is one of the main reasons you get a board to begin with.   Before LL jumps in blindly and destroys an entire segment of the sl economy I urge the to consider these facts and come to a more reasonable and equitable solution to this problem, lest they find clubs suddenly vanishing from sl entirely and with them one of the major souces of income for a large part of the SL population. 

This is being posted here for two reason.s.  One LL in its wisdom announced the change in third pary viewer policy in such a way as to allow no comment, and second, if these scripts are destroyed it will be done so by means of a rolling restart which is much of the focal point of this area of the forum.

[AgentDetective]

Privacy 'interpretations?

Will they affect my 'Agent Detective HUD' that i've been working on. It's almost dont and in beta. I was hopin to release 1.0 by December.

 

[mikka Luik]

Some (rather sparse) details on the talk page of the Wiki Here

[Perrie Juran]

Is there a new announcement?

All this (the new policies) was hashed out and clarified last November.

In other words, unless there is a new announcement, this is Old News.

[Lydia Craig]

Yes, was announced late last Friday and seems to be going to be implemented tomorrow, check technology, viewers, and I believe the third item for the official statement.

[Perrie Juran]

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Lydia Craig wrote:

Yes, was announced late last Friday and seems to be going to be implemented tomorrow, check technology, viewers, and I believe the third item for the official statement.

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Are you referring to this:

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/td-p/1399141

That is from last February.  I am unable to find a more recent announcement.  That applies to Third Party Viewers, not In World content. 

At the time of the original announcement last November, the Lab had said they were also going to disable llGetAgentStatus but after a huge amount of input from many people the decision to disable it was reversed.  Disabling it would have broken too much valid existing content.  Unfortunately that JIRA is no longer viewable. 

If there is a more recent announcement, can you provide a link.

Thanks

 

 

[mikka Luik]

"huge amount of input" - yes, putting it mildly =^^= Also, there is nothing in the notes for tomorrows roll mentioning it so more info would be appreciated.

[Ciaran Laval]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

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Lydia Craig wrote:

Yes, was announced late last Friday and seems to be going to be implemented tomorrow, check technology, viewers, and I believe the third item for the official statement.

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Are you referring to this:

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Second-Life-Viewer/Third-Party-Viewer-Policy-Changes/td-p/1399141

That is from last February.  I am unable to find a more recent announcement.  That applies to Third Party Viewers, not In World content. 

At the time of the original announcement last November, the Lab had said they were also going to disable llGetAgentStatus but after a huge amount of input from many people the decision to disable it was reversed.  Disabling it would have broken too much valid existing content.  Unfortunately that JIRA is no longer viewable. 

If there is a more recent announcement, can you provide a link.

Thanks

 

 

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The Jira should still be viewable, old Jira's are supposed to be, you just can't comment.

 

[Mister Acacia]

OK, so Lydia is a little late hopping onto the bandwagon. Maybe her network is a little slower. That's OK. Has anyone noticed that LL's own web profiles don't comply with the spirit of the TPV policy against showing true online status?

Yeah, I know, my.secondlife.com is not a TPV so it doesn't have to comply. But since viewers like Phoenix and Firestorm still offer a legacy profile floater, and that has Web tab that shows the user's web profile, even TPV's have LL's blessing to show true online status, in a roundabout way.

[Qie Niangao]

I'm still not understanding why this is getting stirred-up again now. Is there something recent? Because otherwise, this was fought to a draw months ago, and I'd hoped that meant it was left in that perpetual limbo where bad ideas go to die.

(ETA: The relevant jira was closed as "Deferred" by Kelly on 21 March 2012.)

[Perrie Juran]

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Qie Niangao wrote:

I'm still not understanding why this is getting stirred-up again now.

Is

there something recent? Because otherwise, this was fought to a draw months ago, and I'd hoped that meant it was left in that perpetual limbo where bad ideas go to die.

(ETA: The

relevant jira

was closed as "Deferred" by Kelly on 21 March 2012.)

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Thanks for adding the JIRA link.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse too.

Very dead and buried.

 

[Lydia Craig]

Apparently the entire thing was reopened last Friday by Oz Linden, and what we are seeing in the technology is the official statement of the new policy.  I certainly hope this issue has been resolved six months ago, but am extremely doubtful that it has, and can hardly see how ad board, groups that one enters into voluntarily, or the contacts list with its online status feature can be considered invasions of privacy since all require consent to one degree or another.

[Perrie Juran]

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Lydia Craig wrote:

Apparently the entire thing was reopened last Friday by Oz Linden, and what we are seeing in the technology is the official statement of the new policy.  I certainly hope this issue has been resolved six months ago, but am extremely doubtful that it has, and can hardly see how ad board, groups that one enters into voluntarily, or the contacts list with its online status feature can be considered invasions of privacy since all require consent to one degree or another.

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All I can figure out is somehow you never noticed that before.  That has been there ever since it happened.  There has been no "reopening" of the issue. 

 

[Darien Caldwell]

My guess is Lydia stepped through some kind of Time warp.