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how many ppl have you turned on to SL .. & how many have stuck ??

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i showed SL to my husband .. he showed no interest @ all .. thot it was ridiculous .. to him computers are something to use for programming lathes or milling machines to cut metal .. not for making cartoon characters dance & blast one another

i helped my mom get an account & put an avatar together .. we went dancing in a blues club .. she seemed to like choosing clothes & hair & shoes for her avatar .. but she wanted me to control her .. make her walk & dance & fly .. i tried to get her to take over & she did try it but was clumbsy & wanted me to do it while she watched .. once i left she never logged back in .. when i asked her why she said that she was "too busy" for SL .. i think that she just didnt care to bother to master it

i told both my brothers about SL .. actually they both already knew about SL but didnt have accounts & never played it .. the older & more computer savvy of the 2 got an account & logged in2 SL .. but mostly just in order to figure out how to do it on his linux machine so he could show me .. he expressed an interest in open sim & said he might look in2 that cept he has 2 young children & says hes too busy for gaming these days .. both brothers play WoW or have played it .. & similar shoot em ups .. both said that SL is "for girls" & is all about virtual sex .. they kinda snickered about me playing it

the woman i share rent on the house with got an account & downloaded a viewer on her laptop .. she made a male avatar .. shes an actress & maybe thot it would be fun to play a male role .. but her laptop simply wouldnt run SL worth a darn .. so she lost interest .. maybe she occasionally logs in w/ my computer while im not around .. i dunno .. but if she logs in w/ my account ill kill her !!

my aunt .. moms younger sister .. plays LotR .. i showed her SL but as far as i know she never got an account ..

my 14 yr old cousin spent a couple weeks w/ me this past summer & she saw me playing SL .. she didnt express much interest .. kinda to my relief .. i was afraid that she would want to lie about her age & get an account .. maybe she has back home but i doubt it .. i prolly woulduv heard about it if she did

SOOooo ... im batting 0 when it comes to introducing ppl i know to SL & having them stick w/ it ...  how about you ???

Jeanne

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i showed SL to my husband .. he showed no interest @ all .. thot it was ridiculous .. to him computers are something to use for programming lathes or milling machines to cut metal .. not for making cartoon characters dance & blast one another

i helped my mom get an account & put an avatar together .. we went dancing in a blues club .. she seemed to like choosing clothes & hair & shoes for her avatar .. but she wanted me to control her .. make her walk & dance & fly .. i tried to get her to take over & she did try it but was clumbsy & wanted me to do it while she watched .. once i left she never logged back in .. when i asked her why she said that she was "too busy" for SL .. i think that she just didnt care to bother to master it

i told both my brothers about SL .. actually they both already knew about SL but didnt have accounts & never played it .. the older & more computer savvy of the 2 got an account & logged in2 SL .. but mostly just in order to figure out how to do it on his linux machine so he could show me .. he expressed an interest in open sim & said he might look in2 that cept he has 2 young children & says hes too busy for gaming these days .. both brothers play WoW or have played it .. & similar shoot em ups .. both said that SL is "for girls" & is all about virtual sex .. they kinda snickered about me playing it

the woman i share rent on the house with got an account & downloaded a viewer on her laptop .. she made a male avatar .. shes an actress & maybe thot it would be fun to play a male role .. but her laptop simply wouldnt run SL worth a darn .. so she lost interest .. maybe she occasionally logs in w/ my computer while im not around .. i dunno .. but if she logs in w/ my account ill kill her !!

my aunt .. moms younger sister .. plays LotR .. i showed her SL but as far as i know she never got an account ..

my 14 yr old cousin spent a couple weeks w/ me this past summer & she saw me playing SL .. she didnt express much interest .. kinda to my relief .. i was afraid that she would want to lie about her age & get an account .. maybe she has back home but i doubt it .. i prolly woulduv heard about it if she did

SOOooo ... im batting 0 when it comes to introducing ppl i know to SL & having them stick w/ it ...  how about you ???

Jeanne

I am batting the same, 0. Everyone I know thinks SL is for gammers. The gammers I know, when they try it, say they don't get it, or say it isn't a game and are not interested in it. Just count yourself unusual to like a game that isn't a game. Although I hear Rodvik is trying to change all that by making SL into a game. Good luck with that Rod.:matte-motes-big-grin:

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Pretty much the same here, Jeanne:

*When I first came to SL in 2007 from having spent the last 15 years or so in various social and rp channels, I went back to IRC and encouraged a friend to try it.  She couldn't get the viewer to run on her PC, tried several times and gave up.

*Any discussion of SL with RL friends and family has been met with blank stares at best and comments about wasting my time on a porn environment at worst.

*Took a 6-month break from SL last year and returned to EQ.  Mentioned SL to a number of people in my guild and received the same general response from all: "I tried that game; didn't like it."  I tried explaining SL was a "virtual world," not a game, although there were games *in* SL.  If I could have seen their faces they likely would have been the blank stares I saw in RL.

*Finally got a friend from EQ to give SL a try.  This is someone who is extremely skilled at MMORPGs, computers, and technology in general.  His SL name was a bit odd (not that *that* in and of itself is unusual...lol), so asked him if it stood for something. He said, "Crap!!!! That is showing???? That's my pw!!!!"  Now just how he managed to think he was entering a pw in the name area was beyond me.  Not having created a new av for a long time, I went through the new resident sign up process and discovered it *is* a bit confusing.  There is some verbiage about not worrying too much about your name, you can change it in world.

Friend starts over and creates new AV with a name (instead of pw).  I show him around a bit.  He says he doesn't see anything to kill.  *Sighs*  I think he may have logged in once more, but that was it.

*I was introduced to WoW by another EQ friend.  Turns out he had created a SL account years ago but said he logged in and all he saw was a naked man who spoke French, didn't see anything else to do, so never returned.  I told him what my SL name is and we agreed to meet in SL.  Never happened.

Going one step further, of the good friends I made within SL:

*After my partner of 3 years and I broke up, he left SL and, to my knowledge, never returned.  He was getting tired of SL before we broke up and was only logging in to see me.

*A good female friend left SL for IW 2 years ago.

*One of my best friends who I met over 15 years ago on IRC discovered SL before I did, but never mentioned it until I excitedly told her about joining in SL during a phone call; which is when she laughed and said she was already here.  She died RL last Nov. :smileysad:

*I've taken a lot of classes in SL over the years.  Most of my favorite instructors have either stated on their profiles they are no longer around or haven't logged into SL in a long time, nor posted on their blogs. 

 

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>>He says he doesn't see anything to kill.<<


LoL .. sounds like my brothers .. maybe he coulduv killed the naked man who spoke French .. :P

so very sorry about your friend who passed away .. :(

Jeanne

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JeanneAnne wrote:

>>He says he doesn't see anything to kill.<<

 

LoL .. sounds like my brothers .. maybe he coulduv killed the naked man who spoke French ..
:P

so very sorry about your friend who passed away ..
:(

Jeanne

Thank you for the kind words, Jeanne.  I miss her so much.

Trying to get hard core gaming types to "get" SL is almost a lost cause I think.  Can't say we didn't try. ;)

 

 

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I...once introduced a friend who I played online roleplay with to SL. He made an account and I tried to show him around. He first struggled with the basic newbie problems aka "how do I do XY". After a while and my introduction on skype he managed to walk, fly and change his clothes. But he didn't really showed much interest in making his avatar pretty and I have the feeling he didn't really got what SL is about and didn't took it serious in any way. I remember how I tried to explain to him why it isn't a good idea to walk in a neighbours house for example.....

Also I failed to explain furries to him....oh well...

He stayed for a while. But his behavior never changed from a  foreign tourist to a real resident. He went to parties with me 2 or 3 times and laughed like hell as he played around with newbie private bits and furnitureanimations (showed him how to interact with objects here).

End of the story: He hasn't logged in since months and probably never will again.

My actual roleplaying friend hasn't much idea of SL at all. But from his reaction I guess he sees it as kind of scary and strange. Maybe he would also miss the game-feeling. (got to know each other in WoW).

If roleplayers (who are seen as strange themselves from other people) act like this when it comes to SL...well, then I don't wonder why others don't even try.

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I once tried to get a friend of mine to try it out. After several sorry that name is unavailable messages she became frustrated and gave up. Other than that, I don't even mention SL to others because from my experience most people either have no idea what it is or think it is virtual porn for weirdos.

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i tell plenty of people about sl but i don't think they ever take the time to check it out, because if they did and got past the first week of use where it's almost painful and just crazy..... i rezzed in germany when i started and there were few english speakers... i didn't know how to tp.... didn't know what all was available..... then i found my way out and bam it's one of the most amazing ideas i've been presented.... and honestly i found it trying to evade 'the voice of porn' even though it's not a real voice there does seem to be this force pulling more and more people to erotica, and for me i love using the net for learning how to use coding to do more and incorporate useful items for life just to try out.....

i can say if you spend the time to make something simple and easy that shows people how to use this stuff they'll stay around.. but honestly a lot of people aren't used to total freedom and need a prefabricated something to keep them in line =x if they'd step away from facebook and try sl they'd see how much more can be done to actually make change in the world..... so many hours wasted on a site that gets few paid... as opposed to a virtual world that says do anything make it all happen!

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i think the focus has to be on those who just want money first and foremost =x as much as i hate to say it!

music heads, designers, architects, fashion minds, social party goers who want to sim their next big event, and artists who are trying to make global connects

also again u have to have something set up simwise that they can get an idea of everything coming in...

we need something like prim towers again only more in depth!

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SL is not for everyone as people who posted here have found out.  While there are exceptions, my own observation is that people who are above average in the IQ department, creative and forward thinking, have the tenacity to persevere and learn how to get around and do things, are able to entertain themselves without any imposed structure, are sociable, tolerant and are highly adaptable are the ones that really thrive in SL love it and stick around for the long haul.

When I first joined SL I tried to get some folks interested but the whole concept was just overwhelming to them.  At the time it didn't have a reputation as a sex paradise, so it wasn't that that deterred them.  After trying for a while, I've given up.  I really don't talk to anyone in RL about it.  The few that know I am in SL rarely ask me about it either and when they do quickly change the subject if I don't give them a short concise answer that they understand without a lot of explanation. 

While I would love to see SL really take off , in a way I'm glad it requires a person as I described above to really make it here.  They make the most interesting friends who turn out to be some of my most favorite people.  From a social point of view, while there is drama and people such as griefers and other idiots when you stop to think of the thousands of people that come into our virtual world everyday and are able to live work and play peacefully together with only a loose and broad TOS to govern them and no police, formal goverment, or the laws necessary in RL, it makes me think.  Its not a utopia and never will be but it is better than RL and gives me hope for the human race.

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Kaidin Ulrik wrote:

i tell plenty of people about sl but i don't think they ever take the time to check it out, because if they did and got past the first week of use where it's almost painful and just crazy..... i rezzed in germany when i started and there were few english speakers... i didn't know how to tp.... didn't know what all was available..... then i found my way out and bam it's one of the most amazing ideas i've been presented.... and honestly i found it trying to evade 'the voice of porn' even though it's not a real voice there does seem to be this force pulling more and more people to erotica, and for me i love using the net for learning how to use coding to do more and incorporate useful items for life just to try out.....

i can say if you spend the time to make something simple and easy that shows people how to use this stuff they'll stay around.. but honestly a lot of people aren't used to total freedom and need a prefabricated something to keep them in line =x if they'd step away from facebook and try sl they'd see how much more can be done to actually make change in the world..... so many hours wasted on a site that gets few paid... as opposed to a virtual world that says do anything make it all happen!

very cool post Kaidin .. if i hadnt been so incredibly lucky to have met my sisters my very 1st day in sl i doubt very much that i woulduv stuck ..

yep .. sl isnt simple for the newbie .. & if not for some1 to help out i dont think very many are goin2 stay around .. i use sl in conjunction w/ fb .. the pics i take in sl i like to post on fb .. & many others do too .. many of my same sl friends are fb friends .. in fact if i like someone from sl id almost rather they friended me on fb than in sl .. cuz thats how we share songs & fotos

best wishes & thanks for the insightful post :)

Jeanne

 

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:

SL is not for everyone as people who posted here have found out.  While there are exceptions, my own observation is that people who are above average in the IQ department, creative and forward thinking, have the tenacity to persevere and learn how to get around and do things, are able to entertain themselves without any imposed structure, are sociable, tolerant and are highly adaptable are the ones that really thrive in SL love it and stick around for the long haul.

When I first joined SL I tried to get some folks interested but the whole concept was just overwhelming to them.  At the time it didn't have a reputation as a sex paradise, so it wasn't that that deterred them.  After trying for a while, I've given up.  I really don't talk to anyone in RL about it.  The few that know I am in SL rarely ask me about it either and when they do quickly change the subject if I don't give them a short concise answer that they understand without a lot of explanation. 

While I would love to see SL really take off , in a way I'm glad it requires a person as I described above to really make it here.  They make the most interesting friends who turn out to be some of my most favorite people.  From a social point of view, while there is drama and people such as griefers and other idiots when you stop to think of the thousands of people that come into our virtual world everyday and are able to live work and play peacefully together with only a loose and broad TOS to govern them and no police, formal goverment, or the laws necessary in RL, it makes me think.  Its not a utopia and never will be but it is better than RL and gives me hope for the human race.

OMG !! i totally agree w/ you ~for once~ Amethyst !! ~faints~~ ~

what im interested in here .. is how to get the newbie who is smart, doesnt require imposed structure, is sociable tolerant & adaptable .. to get over the initial perplexity & hang in there for the long haul .. like you say .. for me that took the encouragement & patient assistance of my sisters & very good friends i had the good fortune to meet rite off the bat

dunno if you ever took chemistry in school .. but an analogy that occurs to me is the graph they always show about 'energy of activation' .. theres a hump that must be gotten over be4 the reaction can go to completion .. the initial huh?!? factor of sl is like that hump .. then it starts to be fun & easy .. a catalyst can lower that hump .. so what ~besides meeting or already knowing ppl who can encourage & help~ can be that catalyst for newbies ?? im not sure .. wish i knew tho cuz id like to see cool ppl stick

Thanks AJ ;)

Jeanne

 

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When _I_ tried it the first time (years ago) I lasted all of maybe 15 minutes - optimistical guess.

A manager at my workplace thought it would be good for virtual meetings. I tried it, laughed hysterically at the abysmal UI, unusable performance on business PCs (which typically have no hardware 3D to speak of, aside from on-board chipsets). If it hadn't been for a RL friend I would not have stayed.

Due to that experience I don't recommend SL to people much. Most don't have hardware capable of running it anyway.

My RL partner saw me use it, started using it, and stuck with it to this day. Using it way more than I do as well.

Another RL friend heard us talk about it, tried it on her iMac, didn't work worth beans (aka too laggy). She's getting a new PC soon, says she'll try it then. Yeah. Right.

RL couple I saw during vacation tried it. He stuck with it and is practically on it 24/7, she prefers Farmville and IRC.

Another RL friend says she is using it... dunno if she does, I never gave her my avi name.

So I guess my experience is somewhat more "successful", though I'd rather tell people NOT to use it and hang out with friends in RL than wasting their time in some pixel-fantasy. Chances are their laptop or computer can't run it anyway. And there's no adequate mobile client out there. Yes I know about Lumiya - it's interesting, but at this point in time just a good proof of concept.

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Kaidin Ulrik wrote:

i think the focus has to be on those who just want money first and foremost =x as much as i hate to say it!

music heads, designers, architects, fashion minds, social party goers who want to sim their next big event, and artists who are trying to make global connects

also again u have to have something set up simwise that they can get an idea of everything coming in...

we need something like prim towers again only more in depth!

I would have to disagree on that.  I had no interest whatsoever in making money in SL when I began - I didn't even know it was possible.  I came with my rp group from IRC on invitation of someone in SL from a similar rp group. 

It is a common phenomenon to think that because I might like a given activity, then everyone else must as well.  When I was into heavy rp, the only people I met were other rpers.  From spending a lot of time at dance venues, I meet a ton of people who only come to dance/socialize.  One particular person who I've come to know in the last year has been in SL since 2009 and ONLY comes to dance.  To my knowledge he has never spent a penny in SL (all clothes/skin/shape, etc. are freebies) and has no interest in anything other than dancing.

When I opened a small shop and began reading the merchant forums, it can seem like SL is comprised of only merchants.  You get the drift. ;)

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I have probably shown about a dozen ppl sl but they either are just not that interested or get frustrated and dont bother with learning it. It seems some cant grasp the concept of a virtual world as opposed to a game.

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i bridge my fb and sl also because i'm trying to bring them together more rl.... i'm getting over fb very quickly because it's a drama episode and people want to try and control what i use it for.... wtf?!?! they ruined my rl made me find sl and then try to ruin what i have going now =x bleh.... 

but yeah i think the thing is more of us want to use sl to do more be more and connect it more with rl really have a good time and make things happen. 

i think it will just be more of us who really like it making it a lifestyle to stay with and not soem commercial fad!

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i'm simply pointing at commerce and how merchants have access to more.... giving us room to make more stuff happen as others come in. the money isn't am otive but it's a huuuuuuuuuge target right now no matter how u try to see it.... more people bring up money in a day then just being socially active. me i use this for music and entertainment not money, but i can se the motive in gettign more people in through commerce.

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Kaidin Ulrik wrote:

i'm simply pointing at commerce and how merchants have access to more.... giving us room to make more stuff happen as others come in. the money isn't am otive but it's a huuuuuuuuuge target right now no matter how u try to see it.... more people bring up money in a day then just being socially active. me i use this for music and entertainment not money,
but i can se the motive in gettign more people in through commerce.

Have you read any threads on the Merchant Forums lately?  There have been so many major screwups re: The Marketplace that some well-known/established merchants have closed up shop completely; others have reduced their SL businesses to just the bare minimum and have gone to other grids or some very ingenious types are selling via their own websites.  These would be the type of items that translate outside of SL, such as mesh and animations. 

There is currently a huge land glut in SL.  As you travel around, open up the map and look at the sea of yellow denoting land for sale.  Click on some of those areas and see how many are abandoned land selling for 1L sqm.  With the advent of Direct Delivery in the SL Marketplace, there is no longer a need to own/rent any land to set up shop whereas previously at least a small chunk of land was needed to place a Magic Box.  This is a good news/bad news type of issue.  It's great that someone new to SL who wants to try their hand at selling creations can do so with little investment besides their time but, on the other hand, this glut of cheap land is greatly affecting another area of commerce - those who sell/rent land.  LL already dealt a blow to land sellers when they introduced Linden Homes which places LL in direct competition with their own customers.

The MP fiascos just since last April alone (mixed listings, being charged double for listing enhancements, items being sold/customers having lindens deducted from their accounts for purchases/but merchants not receiving the funds for the sales, etc., etc.) are causing long-time merchants to pull their hair out in frustration.  If that is happening to people who have been in SL 3-6 years, how long do you think a new Resident setting up shop would put up with this before saying adios?  Even if I knew someone who would like to give SL a try for commerce purposes, I couldn't in good conscience suggest it until and if LL gets its act together in this regard. 

I agree that content creators and those who have the creativity and imagination to open amazing venues for us to enjoy have access to the tools with which to make this happen, but many are choosing these tools on other grids.  Those who wish to purchase entire sims for their creations can do so at FAR greater cost than on SL.

I personally love SL and am not saying "the sky is falling" but, having been involved with commerce even on a small scale and watching the issues that are prompting many creators to move elsewhere, I believe the era of creators and entrepreneurs flooding into SL is over.  It is sad to watch places that I so enjoyed over the years disappear.  If someone is interested in giving SL a try for the creative aspect and doesn't expect to make any appreciable money from it, that is the type of person to whom I would recommend SL; but if the basic motive is making decent money, which was the premise of your original post, unfortuantely SL may disappoint in that regard.

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nah it's jsut like the barter system has always been, things come in waves. the last wave wa the bdsm and just be overtly sexified.... i think that needs to go because it's just been too trendish... bloodlines was the thing to do for soooo many but they were ditzy and shifty.... there were way many hornballs and a ton of bots, it's time for those who really see what this stuff can achieve to come together and get it done.... the good part of sl will come back again, i miss the underground scene and events where people want to have a good time not just make some money for showing up.... but it takes those who know the market and are able to make things happen to be able to establish hotspots and premiere sims. when sex sells goes to just being whatever, and feeding the mind and body with creativity are revived sl will see a lot that hasn't been around because we can do a lot more with rl and other internet resources now!

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Kaidin Ulrik wrote:

nah it's jsut like the barter system has always been, things come in waves. the last wave wa the bdsm and just be overtly sexified.... i think that needs to go because it's just been too trendish... bloodlines was the thing to do for soooo many but they were ditzy and shifty.... there were way many hornballs and a ton of bots, it's time for those who really see what this stuff can achieve to come together and get it done.... the good part of sl will come back again, i miss the underground scene and events where people want to have a good time not just make some money for showing up.... but
it takes those who know the market and are able to make things happen to be able to establish hotspots and premiere sims.
when sex sells goes to just being whatever, and feeding the mind and body with creativity are revived sl will see a lot that hasn't been around because we can do a lot more with rl and other internet resources now!

So if I'm understanding you correctly, established merchants, some of whom are making their RL income from SL and others who are supplementing their income to the tune of $500/mo or more (and yes, I do know many merchants in this category) don't know the market and are not able to make things happen?  Incredible.

You've stated yourself that you've never given commerce a try.  Why not become one of those great visionaries and open a store, club, rp venue, etc.

Czari over and out on this particular issue.

 

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Six years in SL and I have a pitiful record. While I don't go around proselytising for SL, I am prepared to talk about it when people ask. When I started up, two friends were interested and created accounts... both fairly intelligent, one a hardcore gamer. One fell at the first hurdle; his PC wasn't powerful enough to run SL. As far as I know he has never logged onto the account and probably can't remember the account name.

The other, the gamer, logged frequently for a while and played around with all kinds of SL stuff: scripting, av design, metered RP systems. We met up a few times in SL and hung out. In the end, SL didn't satisfy his competitive needs; as a gamer, he wanted a game, not an sandbox/social environment. Also, his leet gamer sensibilities were frustrated by the low-spec graphics that still refused to run smoothly even on his super-advanced PC. Probably spent about six weeks here, with occasional visits over the next six months.

Another acquaintance, who I met through an online forum, expressed an interest in SL as an alternative to Messenger to stay in touch. She picked a name, set up an account... and couldn't even log in, despite having a capable PC. We never did work out why.

No-one else I've ever spoken to SL about has joined (or admitted to joining!).

Two near misses, one partial success.

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it's my whole point in being on sl... not glued to just making money, but i am networking, i dj, i have some club builds i started on, but right now i'm focusing heavy on school getting this programming and such down and learning how to build systems.... i'm gonna bring that into sl and open a computing store in second life with a real time ordering system for computers being built by those i'm starting to get stuff together with... i also look to bring solar and renewable energies in, do some work in online schooling, continuing my art in graphic design and architecture plus many many more things to come, ultimately i'm just going to have a consultation firm hosting all the various avenues i'm developing it just takes time to get off the ground and get the funds needed for this stuff.

that's what i'm pointing to most about bringing more people in, if they knew that they could suuplement their income from sl while just having fun and getting to do all the stuff that seems so confined in rl, they would see what an opportunity we all have to develop this world and even further space!

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don't give up, you have to find the people who aren't tied up to much and if they are, those who have been waiting to get access to people all over the world at the very least.... it's rough i tell people about it and their eyes light up and then i never hear anything again. 

granted if i made an awesome presentation and showed just what can happen in just a few minutes of actually taking in sl, i'm sure it would be far different if i was able to figure out what is a draw for each person.

this target audience stuff is crazy, but sl shows just how the business world and personal lives come together to keep opportunity at hand, even when things are on a dry spell like now. sl is just in recession periods because a lot a lot a lot of the people who saw it as the thing to do to be cool or the place to let their adult fantasies go are on their way out. fashion, music, and art are definitely coming full force and making it hard for those who just use sl for erotica to stay balanced using it.... prolly because a good bit of us who do use this for business are tired of hornballs invading our creative time =x

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I introduced SL to a friend of mine. She seemed interested the first few days but then lost interest because her internet and graphics weren't good so she couldn't get the full experience. 

My other RL friends aren't into gaming or MMORPG's and I know that if I told them about SL they wouldn't be interested so I just don't tell them. Some of my guy friends may be interested, but I'm afraid to tell them because I know all they'll do is go to adult clubs. And I really don't want to imagine my RL friends engaging in pixel sex, haha.

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