Tiffy Vella Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I agree with much or what you say, Deja. I'm another who uses MP for it's search, but then usually buys inworld to support the merchants who re-invest into our community. I find that those with an inworld store have more of an interest in performing well (in general, of course), and supplying superior service. It's a pity that they are the ones who miss out on being publicly reviewed for the efforts they make. MP customers almost never have any contact with a merchant unless something goes wrong (eg, delivery issues which aren't even the merchant's fault), so their experiences are often skewed when rating them. Inworld, customers can have contact for many reasons, not all of them negative, so product/service reviews may be fairer. (Of course I expect that someone will say that this will only be gamed, but that's true of anything, and the existing system already is anyway.) Sassy's idea probably won't affect my buying habits, as I'm already one of the converted. But as a merchant I'd like to be a part of this system. When a customer buys from one of my inworld vendors, I'd like them to be able to leave a review (or not- their choice ) in my MP listing. I appreciate anything that supports inworld shopping. Without support of our community, we will not have anyone to sell to anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'm probably in the minority in that I really don't like shopping and only do it because I do like to look good, keep up with improved products. I really only buy building supplies or things for my avatar. I can make anything I need, but clothing, skins hair and things are just not my favorite thing to make so I don't do that unless I can't find something I really want. I'm also a very busy person and don't have time for browsing and a lot of shopping around. I need something, I find it, I buy it, I use MP as a search tool most of the time, although there are a few inworld stores that I like so much that I'll go to if I have the time. If the merchant has a inworld store AND I have the time, I'll go there to buy it to save the merchant the MP commission. If not, then I buy right from the MP. I do look at reviews but I take them with a grain of salt. One that is well written and gives reasons for their rating are the only ones that influence me. I ignore negative reviews that are negative due to something beyond the merchants control or seem vindictive I will do a review if the product is exceptional or if the product or the customer service is so bad I think others should be warned. I do give specific reasons for my reviews and if its a negative one, I'll try to also point out the positives, if there are any. I'd welcome the opportunity to both read and write a review for products bought in world. As far as buying on MP from people that have no inworld store, unlike some, I have no problem with it. I've been in SL a long time and found that having an inworld store is no indication of quality or service. I've had just as many problems and good experiences with in world merchants as MP only merchants. Too many merchants with in world stores rest on their laurels once they have a successful business and don't put out new releases or don't give good service. When I find a merchant whose products I really like, I'll buy the things I really like and eventually unless they put out new releases frequently there is no point in going back. Sadly a lot of my favorite merchants from a few years ago have dropped off my shopping radar for this reason. A lot of very talented new creators use MP as a platform to launch their businesses. So MP is where I go to find them as unless you have a lot of time to just shop they are hard to find inworld. Supporting inworld merchants is important, but supporting new talent is equally important. So I don't buy the argument about only buying from inworld stores because it somehow supports the community better. It doesn't. Unless new talent is discovered and nurtured things stagnate, which is not good for the community at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Boyle Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Irene Muni wrote: I buy inworld the objects that I need see rezzed: furniture, houses, plants, animations ... etc. I buy other objects in MP. Given the kind of shopping that I do, most of my shopping is inworld, but I begin searching in MP. Me, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman626 Fall Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I use the MP to search I find a better deal that way and I do buy from there,, if I in a rush but if I not in a rush and I wanna look inworld I do go and buy from the store kind of my way off giving LL the finger why could they keep get more L$ from us if we can go to the store and buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikka Luik Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 'QUESTION: Would you buy inworld instead of MP, if you could then also review and rate the item on MP, even if you hadn't purchased via MP but it was the same item?' Interesting Q. I only have a teeny MP spot and really only did it as an experiment. And to be honest while there is a sort of inworld presence for some stuff it tends to be fluid and personally I don't have a shop as such. And yes I tend to browse MP and then head inworld as mostly I am after specific supplies and for that reason like to see what else someone has. But - where exactly would a review be left? I don't have exactly the same things out in world that I have up on MP so where would the link be made? I have also had enough trouble leaving reviews on MP too so a little bit wary =^^= The mechanics of linking an inworld sale to an item (or items) on MP would be - erm tricky. To put it mildly. As in .. if someone comes to me for a custom job based on some items I have on MP then...... =^^= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 mikka Luik wrote: But - where exactly would a review be left? I don't have exactly the same things out in world that I have up on MP so where would the link be made? I have also had enough trouble leaving reviews on MP too so a little bit wary =^^= The mechanics of linking an inworld sale to an item (or items) on MP would be - erm tricky. To put it mildly. As in .. if someone comes to me for a custom job based on some items I have on MP then...... =^^= Review would be left via the MP interface. How would it be linked? Just ignore that part for the moment, assume that it could be. Just assume that the same object were identifiable both inworld and MP, the detail isn't relevant at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 have never left a rating of any kind on MP. good or bad. dont much use MP tho. just to find free stuff really or maybe only like 10L or something + i pretty much shop inworld. i like to see demos before i buy and check out the quality on the models if they got any. i pretty much dont buy high price items off stranger shops i dont know anything about if i cant see a model or get a demo before. i dont mean always a demo of what i am actual wanting eveytime. any demo will do just so i can inspect the seams and stuff. am picky like that me (: same in reals if i like a shop and is some kinda vote or like box then i will click it, even if i end up not buying anything sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRprofessor Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I keep trying to view the ratings in MP but when I do I see only the most recent two and no obvious way to look at the rest, assuming there are more. If I cannot view the rating I won't leave any so that doesn't enter into my buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 You click on the "Next" link below the reviews. It is possible that every item you've looked at only has two reviews in written form but the other ratings were imported from xstreetsl where a vote came across as a review but has no associated text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talia Davidov Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I doubt it would affect my decision on whether to buy inworld or on MP. That being said, ability to review products bought inworld though I would not use it much might be good to have for those truly exceptional products you run across (or those truly exceptionally bad too I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufferta Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I don't usually do reviews on any worlds unless an item/experience has been very positive or very negative. I do wish it was easier to add comments to Marketplace items like "Thank you for the great service!" or "This $50 item is a freebie at Yadni's.".... Like many of you, I tend to shop inworld before going to the Marketplace, but I will order things through the Marketplace from merchants I know and trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amie Kaestner Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I buy just about all my stuff on the market place. I'll very occasionally write a review and give a rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula001 Goldschein Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sassy Romano wrote: QUESTION: Would you buy inworld instead of MP, if you could then also review and rate the item on MP, even if you hadn't purchased via MP but it was the same item? God, please don't give them any ideas..it would be very wrong to have to deal with reviews in a store you pay rent for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinfulPrince Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I review on the MP only when I buy on the MP and then only if I was exceptionally pleased or exceptionally disappointed. I buy things on the MP that I figure I really don't need to see in person. If it's about wanting to have "specific" thiings in a menu, or wanting to know what the item performs like , then I look for the store inworld so I can try it out and be sure its what I want. Also , sometimes I find that there are more versions or variety inworld. The seller may not in fact list everything they sell. Because of that, I'm more likely to visit an inworld store if I feel like I would like "other" things not seen on the MP from a maker I was impressed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwenting Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 SinfulPrince wrote: I review on the MP only when I buy on the MP and then only if I was exceptionally pleased or exceptionally disappointed. afaik you can't review things on the MP you didn't buy through the MP anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 jwenting wrote: afaik you can't review things on the MP you didn't buy through the MP anyway Which is the whole subect of this thread, to determine whether there's merit in adding the ability to leave reviews IF the same item is available on MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Ack! I missed that 'same item available on MP' part in the OP, so my response was no help at all (I responded to the idea of being able to review Inworld purchases, and that's not what you asked). However, now that I do know the exact question my answer is still 'No'. Even if I knew (hard to imagine I would, but given that possibility) I could by a Marketplace item inworld cheaper, would I still buy it on MP just because I could review it? Nope. That review option would have zero effect on where I chose to buy the item. The price might, but not the rating ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita61 Anatine Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 No I wouldn't. I don't like the review system, people sometimes leave bad reviews if they have a personal issue with the creator, just to bring them down. If I have a problem with a product I'll im the creator about it. If I'm very happy with something I'll do the same and compliment them. If an item is as expected I won't react at all but just use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suki Hirano Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah the review system is shady. You got: - Morons with cow-sized butts and boobs complaining mesh items won't fit their disfigured bodies - Creators who give a partial refund to any shills leaving a 5-star rating on their product - Creators who buy their own product and leave 5-star ratings - Garbage that's years old that was popular in the previous decade with high star ratings that are totally irrelevant now, but somehow still exist today - Inability to edit or even delete your own reviews Then again what review system isn't crappy? Even iTunes store review system is like this, tons and tons of shills mixed in with a tiny proportion of people with actual brains and writing skills. Hell even critics-only review systems like rottentomatoes have crappy reviewers who you wonder how in the world did they qualify to review anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equitum Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Agree with suki on - Morons with cow-sized butts and boobs complaining mesh items won't fit their disfigured bodies - Creators who buy their own product and leave 5-star ratings - Garbage that's years old that was popular in the previous decade with high star ratings that are totally irrelevant now, but somehow still exist today Also agree with others that you should be able to rate items inworld after purchase Tend to keep a lot of colors/designs inworld only and I will keep doing this in the future it might affect my sales but in the end it's good to have people inworld looking at your store and other stores around it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 You fall foul of the marketplace listing rules there. "Anti competitive or abusive behaviour: inflated listing price compared to inworld or other e-commerce sites" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equitum Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 really... well darn good you told me i'll update it then guess they don't want to have that 5% go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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