Do they exist?

[jeremy123 128]

Firm handed, straight masters willing to take on a true bratty sub? It would be inworld only, so far none have met the standard. I'm baffled at how many so called doms and "Masters" only want a doormat or lapdog.

 

jeremy123

[Freya Mokusei 1,023]

What can you offer?

It's all well-and-good belittling other peoples' skills (though I would question your generalised statements), but perhaps you should use this space more wisely.

(Regarding your question: Yes, they do.)

[Storm Clarence 495]

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jeremy123 wrote:

. I'm baffled at how many so called doms and "Masters" only want a doormat or lapdog.

 

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You should be more surprised at the amount of people that want to be treated as a doormat or a lapdog.  Therein lies the problem.  

[jeremy123 128]

I can offer a submissive that not only has the skills to emote but has been trained under a rl Dom for some time. She is loyal almost to a fault, is willing to go the distance to make sure her Master is pleased, is fiesty and has been known to give resistance to a point. My comments they may be generalized, however as of late there have been nobody willing to deal with a true bratty one such as her. Beyond that, I let her skill and beauty speak for itself. If I was calling people out, believe me I am well aware of the drama pages and that was not my intent. Nor was it meant to be a bash fest. I know what she needs, and because she means just that much I am willing to take time from my own rp to give her nothing BUT the best.

[jeremy123 128]

My own feelings on that are that the subs themselves have been "trained" to believe that the doormat/lapdog is the only type of submissive. When in reality there are so many others. However getting people out of the mindsets that are propagated in conventional porn as well as by closed minds make things all the more difficult.

[Freya Mokusei 1,023]

Had assumed it was you doing the looking. Thanks for clarifying that you're doing this on someone's behalf, I'm sure that information will be useful to any Master's who are interested.

I didn't assume you were here to provoke, but your intial post sounded more like a complaints-fest than a Want-Ad.

[jeremy123 128]

Didn't want it to come off too want-adish. I just really wanted to take this as a personal undertaking as her own encounters themselves have been less than fruitful. I figured that myself knowing her as I do, will provide any dominant with  the proper knowledgs not only of her expectations, but her limits. I care very much for this person, she deserves the best experience possible within the limits that will be discussed inworld.

[jeremy123 128]

Thst's of course assuming someone were bold enough to take on the task:)

[Storm Clarence 495]

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jeremy123 wrote:

 I figured that myself knowing her as I do, will provide any dominant with  the proper knowledgs not only of her expectations, but her limits. 

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I am not really sure I understand.  Why do *you* get to define another persons expectations and limits?  Can she not speak for herself?     

 

 

[Freeroos 0]

A submissive is supposed to be submissive. A “bratty sub” is not a submissive. Quote “

is fiesty and has been known to give resistance to a point.” So a submissive who likes to fight with her master? Is that a submissive?

Definition: sub·mis·sive

/səb'mɪsɪv/ Show Spelled[suhb-mis-iv] Show IPA

adjective

1.

inclined or ready to

submit; unresistingly or humbly obedient: submissive servants.

2.

marked by or indicating

submission: a submissive reply.

Key word there is obedient. So I guess she wants to role play a bad submissive who is actually aggressive and dominate?

 

Do bad subs exist? I'm sure they do but why would any master want to role play with a sub who refuses to be a sub?

[Leia36 31]

A Dominant came up to me at the HUB on Sunday asking for advice. He had pushed his submissive too hard, too fast and she ended up running away and blocking him. He was upset, I'll tell you the same as I told him. You have to go slow. Trust is the key to obedience, trust is earned no matter what kind of relationship. Trust works both ways, any submissive worth her salt has to learn to read you and trust her past experiences with you to know when to be feisty and when not to. It takes time. There are many good classes to attend that I think would help you inworld.

Hope that helps

[Freya Mokusei 1,023]

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Freeroos wrote:

A submissive is supposed to be submissive. A “bratty sub” is not a submissive. Quote “

is fiesty and has been known to give resistance to a point.” So a submissive who likes to fight with her master? Is that a submissive?

Definition

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Copy-pasting from a dictionary isn't useful. Suggest you research the term 'brat' in the context of BDSM. It is a valid route for submission (for no other reason than dominants accept their submission - the only prerequisite of being submissive).

As for whether being bratty can be considered disobedient, as always it depends on what the dominant is looking for. For instance, dominants who enjoy punishing for mistakes would get frustrated with an always-obedient submissive. Therefore it would absolutely be submissive to be playfully 'bratty' (because they'd be doing it to inspire/excite the dominant).

[jeremy123 128]

I am not defining her limits, although the standards were set by me within her rl training so she knew what to expect when she ran into individuals who would ask for certain acts that she was not familiar with.

[jeremy123 128]

How much challenge is there when all you hear is "yes Sir" all the time? I am aware of what the definition of submissive is, I didn't fall off the turnip truck last night. I have been active within several rl communities for years and owned my own fetish store which ran successfully for 7 years prior to my divorce. Would you agree there is also a difference between a sub, a slave and a pet? I find the challenge of curbing atitudes and behavior modification quite arousing, some don't. They may want someone to simply obey blindly and give the obligatory "yes sir" all the t ime. That is not what she is about, she is about testing her limits and a challenge to be broken but she inevitably can be broken. It won't come from simply walking about swinging a flogger in the air though. Like I said, she is loyal (almost to a fault), and can be highly affectionate depending on her mood.

[Perrie Juran 195]

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jeremy123 wrote:

How much challenge is there when all you hear is "yes Sir" all the time? I am aware of what the definition of submissive is, I didn't fall off the turnip truck last night. I have been active within several rl communities for years and owned my own fetish store which ran successfully for 7 years prior to my divorce.

Would you agree there is also a difference between a sub, a slave and a pet?

I find the challenge of curbing atitudes and behavior modification quite arousing, some don't. They may want someone to simply obey blindly and give the obligatory "yes sir" all the t ime. That is not what she is about, she is about testing her limits and a challenge to be broken but she inevitably can be broken. It won't come from simply walking about swinging a flogger in the air though. Like I said, she is loyal (almost to a fault), and can be highly affectionate depending on her mood.

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"Would you agree there is also a difference between a sub, a slave and a pet?"

Absolutely!  And herein is the problem that so often arises when discussing the subject of BDSM.  Too many things are lumped under the one phrase.

I read in a "Dom's" profile last night that she likes to cage and humiliate her Subs and drag them on their knees while they are leashed.  Seriously, that sounds more like a Slave to me than a Sub.

[Senobia Xenga 11]

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jeremy123 wrote:

Firm handed, straight masters willing to take on a true bratty sub? It would be inworld only, so far none have met the standard. I'm baffled at how many so called doms and "Masters" only want a doormat or lapdog.

 

jeremy123

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Fantastic post! And I can tell you I've been searching for this elusive SOB for three years and he has yet to surface. 

[Senobia Xenga 11]

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Freeroos wrote:

Do bad subs exist? I'm sure they do but why would any master want to role play with a sub who refuses to be a sub?

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A better question would be why should their inability to lead have any bearing on another's ability to follow? It doesn't, IMO - and what you described here is the typical cop out for self-proclaimed "Masters" who are not up to the task, but because of their 'status' do not or will not admit it. So the 'blame' for his shortcomings is placed on the sub's efforts to 'top from the bottom'.

 

Yawn. 

 

Got anything new?

[SinfulPrince 3]

Since she is "spectatular" by your standard, why not have her as yours?

[Jenzels 0]

Chin up, and we are out there.  While I have no problem with utterly obedient sub’s who continually do the right thing, they’re just not for me.  I love resistance and I relish the challenge put forth.  As Freya mentioned in post earlier, there are fine reasons to be bratty.  I’ve certainly heard of this complaint in world from sub friends.  Alas I’m a master only for one, but a predator for everyone else who wishes to RP with my avi.  Probably why my views are slanted.

[Leia36 31]

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Jenzels wrote:

Alas I’m a master only for one, but a predator for everyone else who wishes to RP with my avi. 

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Does your submissive know and approve of this? If you where my Master and you did this behind my back you would be holding an empty leash

[Freeroos 0]

oh oh hang on now lol

if a sub can tell a master what they can do doesn't that make the sub the master?

[Leia36 31]

If the Master breaks the submissives trust by cheating in IMs or worse, then its the submissives duty to herself to confront him. Its not acceptable in any way and is no different to cheating in any relationship. My comment stands, the nature of the relationship within D/s is not an excuse for bad behavior from either person in the relationship. And RP is no excuse when real feelings are involved, cheating hurts no matter which way you try to dress it up.

[jeremy123 128]

The reason that I don't currently have her as my own, is mainly because we are also a rl couple who plays on our own. I had her as mine in world for a year before I moved to be with her. Now that I am here irl, we still like to play with others.

[jeremy123 128]

She is highly aware of what I am doing, I do it because I want her to have only the best.

[Ashy Calcutt 4]

I been a master to my pets for  two weeks now and I don't treat them as Lapdogs or Doormats In fact only time when I Leash them is when they ask to be or when I think is appropriate also I love both my pets like I do my mate I make both my Pets as comfortable as I can get them or they can get . I treat them with respect  .. So yeah they exist