Dresden Ceriano Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Griffin Ceawlin wrote: Oh, stop being all reasonable and **bleep**, you. You'll confuse people. You can probably rest assured that I will still be branded one of those evil, anti-social, narcissistic facelight wearers. Additionally, there are those busy bodies who would mock me for my avatar being unrealistically tall, my hips too narrow, my shoulders too broad, my unmentionables too large, my wearing of flexi prims, my exposing of the occasional butt crack, etc... etc... ...Dres *luckily, stopped wearing bling ages ago* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 lillez wrote: I would like to try and explain a different perspective with this post. I am a person who has used the facelight that came with my premium brand skin. I do not add things to this such as bling or glitters. Every day I get countless compliments on my appearance....with the facelight on.. During my short tenure here in SL, I have had 3 rude, experienced SL people point out that my facelight is a problem for them and I need to turn it off. Now I know I am just a noobie......but if I have 90 people telling me that my look is one of the best they have seen.....and 3 people telling me my facelight is too bright.....which would you go with? The simple truth of this situation is the problem is not just facelights. The problem is facelight + viewers settings. Notice...there are two halves to this problem....two people involved. I just left a place where person after person complimented my avi......but one individual told me my facelight was too bright and I needed to turn it off. So is the problem my facelight when 95% of the people like it.....or the settings that some people have? Obviously, the facelight. If you actually got a skin that is worth the money, it'd look good without the facelight. Thankfully, this fad has largely died now, and it's only real serious newbies who are using them. That said, you don't have to look like a lightbulb to do it; your skin isn't supposed to look like you're standing in front of a vanity in the middle of the night. If you want to look like you do in full light all the time, that's what environment settings are for, set yours to noon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Can we have this not be a thing? It's better to respond to an old thread than to rehash the same thing in a new thread. Kudos on lillez for finding an existing thread on the subject instead of starting the whole thing over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Bobbie Faulds wrote: Simple solution, under the advanced menu in the rendering, you can chose not to render attach lights...problem solved. This, however, also destroys legitimate uses of attached lights, like flashlights, lanterns, headlamps, etc. that don't destroy suspension of disbelief in any given scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Pussycat Catnap wrote: But it might also be asking everyone else to limit their visual options because one person refuses to use respect the environment around them, since many people nearby are using modern graphics settings. Fixed that for you. I'm not going to hate on someone for having older hardware, but to do so and not get the hint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Perrie Juran wrote: I've seen cases of people wearing Facelights because they were told they made them look better when on their own (low end) computers they couldn't even see the difference. I guess that's this decade's "Here, wear this attachment" and it turns out to be a rocket that sends 'em into orbit type trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Aurelia Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Is it still going on? Lol. I created a nice low light and offered it for free for years just tto wean people off cleigh lights. I need to put it up again. Skin makers shouldn't include lights. Some lights are great for photography.. Low lights were never the issue. And I've seen old residents in cleigh lights. Models for sure. I'm less bothered nowadays. But it must have bothered me when I oped this year's ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Aurelia Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well I agree. I'd rather run around Mainland and ask ppl to clean up their land. Lol... I can't recall the bee in my bonnet when I wrote this op. And I've never told anyone to ditch facelights. Someone told me though when I was a newb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dresden Ceriano Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Faye Feldragonne wrote: I've never told anyone to ditch facelights. Really? You may have been having a bad day when you started this thread oh so very long ago, but the whole point of your doing so was to tell people to ditch facelights... was it not? ...Dres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Convair Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Baloo Uriza wrote: Bobbie Faulds wrote: Simple solution, under the advanced menu in the rendering, you can chose not to render attach lights...problem solved. This, however, also destroys legitimate uses of attached lights, like flashlights, lanterns, headlamps, etc. that don't destroy suspension of disbelief in any given scene. I'm in SL many years and I can't remember of any torchlight user. But I can remember of many 1000 foolish looking avatars with way to bright facelights. Well, now I still see no torchlights and If I meet one of that foolish looking facelight-avatars - I will not even know it ! And I will still find my way without a working torchlight. Isn't that great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Translation: "My attached lighting: Good! Your attached lighting: Bad!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coby Foden Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Nova Convair wrote: Baloo Uriza wrote: This, however, also destroys legitimate uses of attached lights, like flashlights, lanterns, headlamps, etc. that don't destroy suspension of disbelief in any given scene. I'm in SL many years and I can't remember of any torchlight user. Erm... I still use a torch occasionally at night when it's very dark in the forest. :matte-motes-big-grin: :smileyvery-happy: :smileywink: However, I have never used facelights and I will never do so. There is no need for them. Lighting one's face with invisible light source looks strange to me. People, wear torches! :smileytongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serotica Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Probably been mentioned before, but I find a subtle facelight eliminates face shadows. Once that design flaw is fixed I feel facelights will become obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Faulds Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Face shadows are a result of your windlight settings. The one thing people have to face is that regardless of how good they may look to themselves, they may not look good to others, depending on their graphics and windlight settings. The best you can do is set your windlight setting so you are happy with what you see. That's all you have control over. The right windlight settings and no facelights are needed....just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coby Foden Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 serotica wrote: Probably been mentioned before, but I find a subtle facelight eliminates face shadows. Once that design flaw is fixed I feel facelights will become obsolete. What do you mean by a "design flaw"? There is no need to fix the lighting nor to eliminate shadows. Shadows are cool. What needs fixing is the avatar mesh to get rid of the faults in it. Of course facelight will eliminate the shadows. I almost always keep shadows on in my viewer. I certainly will not want a facelight to kill the shadows. Look at peoples faces in RL when the sun is shining brightly. The faces will have shadows depending how the sunlights hits the face. I wonder why people want the avatar face to be lit evenly and perfectly in the best possible way always - like in a photo studio? Picture below: Just some Windlight setting, shadows on, no facelight. Yay! If a facelight was worn in the picture here it would have killed the effect of ambient lighting and shadows and thus it would have produced more flatly lit uninteresting picture. Yeah, I'm not a fan of facelights. I prefer torches, when needed. :smileyvery-happy: :smileywink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Zapedzki Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) On 6/21/2012 at 5:41 AM, Caitlin Tobias said: I have always worn a facelight. Otherwise my face looks like its in the dark and shadowy, even with all light and shadow settings checked in preferences . I wish SL would fix this somehow. I use a very low key facelight, I make my own with a 0.5 intensety and radius of 1.0. It probably could go even lower than this. Nobody has ever complained about my facelights on low. I know those that walk in and shining for miles around on pre-made ones, lol.. They are fine if you know how to use them properly. Penny Patton wrote: Freya Mokusei wrote: In my opinion however, people who complain about facelights are considerably worse than the people who wear them. Can we ditch those, instead? I have to disagree. If we were talking about simple personal fashion sense that would be one thing, but a poorly set up nose lamp isn't simply bad fashion, it affects everyone around the person wearing it. For those on less powerful computers which cannot run deferred rendering, they are still limited to six environmental lights, each noselamp eats at that number, breaking the lighting in an environment to the point where it can be difficult for others to see. Blindingly bright noselamps also affect everyone else's ability to see by washing out the nearby enviornment in blindly bright light. The people wearing these often do not even have local lights on so they serve no purpose whatsoever. Bad nose lamps force people to turn attached lights off, breaking good use of attached lights (like flashlights in dark sims) and even with attached lights disabled, nose lamps STILL count against local light sources. Over use of noselamps can also cause crashing and framerate issues. All of these issues contribute to why people feel so strongly about whether or not others are wearing nose lamps. I LOL'ed at 'nose lamps' but fully agree with all you wrote. I am one of those that likes o explore and go places, being in high/ultra graphics with shadows enabled and everything. Just because I can and because I love it. Facelights indeed ruin some of my experiences and yeah, force me to either derender a complete avatar or in most cases I have to untick the attached lights. When I go to a club I switch to medium graphics and disable a lot, not because my machine can't handle it, but just to get rid of the excessive lights people around me tend to use. I am aware most wearers of face-lights have NO clue on what they do to the 'environment', and sometimes pointing it out or sending them a picture/snapshot on what I (and others) see ....helps. Facelights can have a purpose I suppose, when taking pictures of oneself, although I have never used one. Well maybe back in 2007.... And let's not get me started on full bright buildings!!! (but that is another story.....) Edited January 8, 2020 by Kacie Zapedzki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) resurrection!! Edited January 8, 2020 by Tarina Sewell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alwin Alcott Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tarina Sewell said: resurrection!! wouldn't be wrong if something was added.. but it's just telling what everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyona Su Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said: wouldn't be wrong if something was added.. but it's just telling what everybody knows Except for this: Viewer settings: Untick (turn off) "Light emitted from other avatars" (Paraphrased) in all viewers, including LL viewer. It is EPICWIN Setting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Alyona Su said: Except for this: Viewer settings: Untick (turn off) "Light emitted from other avatars" (Paraphrased) in all viewers, including LL viewer. It is EPICWIN Setting. What *I* want is a tick box that let's me turn off all local lighting except my own. So many nice builds that are ruined by being poorly lit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Westminster Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I have worn lighting disabled by default thanks to far too many people wandering around with mini suns around them - not really helped by mesh head designers bundling in some as "fixes" for visible texture lines. IMO the only justifiable instance to wear any form of body illumination is during a photography session. Edited January 8, 2020 by Zak Westminster typonese correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Tarina Sewell said: I have one of those........ somewhere. 8 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said: wouldn't be wrong if something was added.. but it's just telling what everybody knows Actually, if you pull up the post that was quoted, there really was something added. The quote and reply is just messed up though - formatted funky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I am still using my free very adjustable facelight from twelve years ago. It isn't worn or on normally but is REALLY IMPORTANT for photos. I do remember all those super bright body lights that folks wore :D. Over on the Realms you could see them from many sims away. That was handy in that case LOL. Works great! https://secondlifecolors.blogspot.com/2008/02/cg-facelight-free.html Forgot to add that the one I typically use is a mod version where I lowered ALL the intensity choices. I renamed it "dim". Still fills in the light very well. Edited January 8, 2020 by Chic Aeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said: wouldn't be wrong if something was added.. but it's just telling what everybody knows I did not bring this one back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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