Spamming

[WickedMelissa]

When you IM someone and ask if they want to join a group most members say you are Spamming. But when you TP into a club you get a pop up that asks if you want to be a member and a LM. Seems to me it is the same thing.

[Tiffy Vella]

Seems to me about the same. :catwink:

[Griffin Ceawlin]

The difference is: If I TP in to a club, I might expect to be asked to join a group, while if I'm just standing around somewhere and someone sends me a group invite... Not so much.

(I should add that when I managed a club, we didn't have an auto-invite gadget. I looked at everybody's profile to see if they were in the group and if they weren't I sent an invite. If they declined, no problem. And I never once had anyone complain about it.)

[Kenbro Utu]

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Tiffy Vella wrote:

Seems to me about the same. :catwink:

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and both spamming.  :smileywink:

[Tiffy Vella]

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Griffin Ceawlin wrote:

The difference is: If I TP in to a club, I might expect to be asked to join a group, while if I'm just standing around somewhere and someone sends me a group invite... Not so much.

 

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Agree....I sort of wanted to say that, but didn't have the brainpower at the time ...The "spammage expectation" is greater, and senses are on alert when tping into a new club or store. But..if a person is just hanging out/building/chatting with friends/whatever and spammage arrives via group chat/dropdown menu..then that's a whole 'nother ballgame. It's waaaay more offensive.

[Nova Convair]

Both is the same and both is spamming.

There are just different ways to handle this spam.

In case of an IM  - just mute the sender.
In case of a club - right click on the chat icon and "close all" (it's not effective to mute several objects and bots)

[Phil Deakins]

Personally, I don't differenciate between so-called 'expected' group invites, in clubs for instance, and those that arrive when I'm nowhere near anything. I view them both spam. In clubs, the 'workers' do have the opportunity to ask if I want to join a group before sending an invite. If they did that, it wouldn't be spam. Stores that don't have workers there at the time just need to put a sign up - 'click here to join the store's group'.

[Luc Starsider]

To me the two are the same. The difference is that in the case of a club, the invite is sent by an object which simply send it to anyone it is programmed to send it to, while if you IM someone, you make a choice and decides who to send the invite to.

Their both spam, anyway you look at it, though.

- Luc -

[Dilbert Dilweg]

Club owners do it on their own land (Authorized). They don't go to other peoples land and spam the people (except a few disrespectful residents). If you message other peoPle on somone elses land then it is considered unwelcome adverts = SpaM

 

 

[Luc Starsider]

Very good point!

- Luc -

[Faithless Babii]

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Dilbert Dilweg wrote:

Club owners do it on their own land (Authorized). They dont go to other peoples land and spam the people (except a few disrespectful residents). If you message other peole on somone elses land then it is considered unwelcome adverts = SpaM

 

 

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it might slip in as "authorised" but its something that really puts me off a place instantly...it "feels" spammy to get those annoying pop ups when youve just arrived someplace, before even rezzing...BOOM..spammed to death by a machine asking if i want a landmark, to join the group and on and on...authorised perhaps....spammy & irritating & offputting...definately.

[Dilbert Dilweg]

Some places are a little over kill . 5 notecards and 2 invites to a group is too much on arrival. I always used a bot for mine. If you join, then the bot never invites you again . If the resident chose the button ." NO and Please do not invite me again". Then it added their name to the list to never be invited again. There are ways of being respectful about it. Just some havent figured it out. But For the simple single invite to a resident landing isn't over kill in my book. And a simple no can close it.. You just can't please everyone on SL period. The amount of those who despise it, doesn't out weigh the benefit LOL

 

It can be interpreted so many ways. Some feel it is annoying. It's Usually its the oldbies who are not interested in It or helping the club or business grow. even if they did enjoy them selves lol

 

Clubs/places also have to provide you with a lot of useful info on how to use their services. To cut down on the overwhelming requests and questions.

And that was one thing I never ever did, was leave my land to invite anyone to my group. I always did it on my own land at my own events. My places were always popular, so the invites really never were a problem  ,,

Thats the big problem with limitations of SL not able to hold a large database of names without web space off the grid. Users can not limit their invites as much if they have a large traffic amount . If everyone was able to use their invite system with a bot on their own PC with database or have their script store info off site to help ad users to a "NO Invite List", it probably would not leave a bad taste in so many residents play time" but not many are able to offer such a service. It is always good to have a "Opt Out" situtation to make it not spam

 

Of course just my personal oppinion

[Qwalyphi Korpov]

The resident who provided the previous content, if any, has replaced it with this generic statement.

[Ceka Cianci]

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Dilbert Dilweg wrote:

Club owners do it on their own land (Authorized). They don't go to other peoples land and spam the people (except a few disrespectful residents). If you message other peoPle on somone elses land then it is considered unwelcome adverts = SpaM

 

 

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thats how i look at it as well..when i tp to someplace  i expect to be welcomed with a group invite an LM and the rules..

it's like getting a news letter to me..

you can join our group here if you like or you can mark us for making it easier to get back later if you want and here are the rules..

 

where when i am in my own sim getting hit up for invites or getting sent  things that may have my name on some list for auto send..

to me thats spam..junkmail

[Dilbert Dilweg]

P.S. I always thought group invites were considered "recruiting"

If you notice on Linden Info Hubs their rules say "no recruiting"  Or they used to with their rules sign (Been a while since I have been to one)

[Perrie Juran]

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Qwalyphi Korpov wrote:

If you choose to visit a business and while you're there the business tries to do business with you that's not spam.

(edit to correct the spelling of "a")

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Agreed. 

I worked retail sales for many years.  If you came in my store of course I was going to try and sell to you.  I'm not there just to give you a guided tour of the store.  Why people would get offended that I tried to sell to them is beyond me.

But on the other side we also looked at it from the customer experience point of view.  Getting bombarded with land mark givers, group inviters, a dozen lines of text, etc, etc, the moment you arrive does not make for a good customer experience.

 

[Griffin Ceawlin]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

But on the other side we also looked at it from the customer experience point of view.  Getting bombarded with land mark givers, group inviters, a dozen lines of text, etc, etc, the moment you arrive does not make for a good customer experience.

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That's why we didn't have gadgets throwing those things at people as soon as they TPd in. They would be greeted, given a little time to "acclimate" themselves, and then an invite would be sent.

[Dillon Levenque]

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Qwalyphi Korpov wrote:

If you choose to visit a business and while you're there the business tries to do business with you that's not spam.

(edit to correct the spelling of "a")

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That's the way I see it as well. Spam is generally defined as unsolicited advertising. An IM'd group invite from any stranger is by definition unsolicited, but it's reasonable to expect that someone who comes into your business is soliciting information.

That being said—there are good ways and bad to do handle things like that. I much prefer (and I bet that's true of almost everyone) to be asked, as in Griffin's example. I realize that's pretty labor intensive but then most of us respond well to a little extra attention just as we tend to respond poorly to repeated messages.

[Perrie Juran]

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Griffin Ceawlin wrote:

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Perrie Juran wrote:

But on the other side we also looked at it from the customer experience point of view.  Getting bombarded with land mark givers, group inviters, a dozen lines of text, etc, etc, the moment you arrive does not make for a good customer experience.

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That's why we didn't have gadgets throwing those things at people as soon as they TPd in. They would be greeted, given a little time to "acclimate" themselves, and then an invite would be sent.

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The convenience factor comes into play.

Personally, as a general rule, I dislike land mark givers.  If I'm smart enough to get to your store I am hopefully smart enough to make a LM.   But I can see the convience of the simple click.

I do wish more places did use event timers in the givers. It isn't rocket science.

[Phil Deakins]

The idea of offering group invitations to people in stores, without asking first and however much time is given for them to acclimate, is spam, imo. It might be acceptable if the invites were sent to actual customers - those who actually buy something - but going to a store is no indication at all that the person is in any way interested in becoming (almost) part of it, which joining a group is. I.e. a visitor may look round, decide there's nothing they want from there, and leave. An auto-invitation in such circumstances is, imo, unsolicted and, therefore, spam.

[Griffin Ceawlin]

Stores are one thing (and I don't know if I've ever received a personal invitation to join a store's group on TPing in, it's always the scripted invites and it's usually immediately after, as Perrie says), I think clubs are another.

When I say "acclimate" I mean that they've had time to have people and things rez for them, they're responsive to greetings and/or general chat, and maybe they've already moved on to the dance floor and are dancing, NOT standing mute on the landing point. That might give some indication that they might like to return.

I'll note at this point that the OP has not yet responded to anyone or anything here. I wonder... Is her issue that she genuinely doesn't like receiving group invites from club staff or that she was scolded for "spamming" where perhaps she shouldn't have been? Care to elaborate, Melissa?

[Clarissa Lowell]

It isn't quite the same. You chose to go to the club or the store that sent you a group invitation. While it is annoying when they hit everyone with a group invitation, especially right away, instead fo just having a group joiner, at least you had some choice in going.

If you went somewhere in real life you might expect to see some of their ads. If you just get ads in your mailbox or email, that is spam.

When you just randomly send out an IM or note card advertising a group, that is spam.

[Griffin Ceawlin]

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Clarissa Lowell wrote:

If you went somewhere in real life you might expect to see some of their ads.

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LOL. I worked very briefly as what I call a "fragrance whore" in RL. You know... The people that ask you as you walk by in the department store if you'd like to try a spritz of whatever fragrance they're hawking (mine was Shalimar). It takes no effort to walk by without answering or even looking at the person holding the bottle. Clicking No may take even less.

[Hugsy Penguin]

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WickedMelissa wrote:

When you IM someone and ask if they want to join a group most members say you are Spamming. But when you TP into a club you get a pop up that asks if you want to be a member and a LM. Seems to me it is the same thing.

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I would consider them both spam as they're both unsolicited.  To club owners:  no, merely walking into your club isn't a solicitation of your group or notecards or whatever.

However, beyond that, they are quite different.  If I'm on my own land and get a group invite to something I never heard of, I will consider that a TOS violation and file an abuse report.  Alternatively, if I go to a club/store/museum/whatever and get a group invite for there, then I consider that "their land, their rules" and just deal with it.

[Phil Deakins]

From my experience of going to clubs with live eneteratinment, it's the entertainer's group that sends the spam invites, and it's done by a person who is too lazy to first ask if you'd like to join the group. The fact that I'm there (presumably) enjoying the entertainment is in no way indicative of my desire to 'sign up' to the person. I consider it spam. It may or may not be considered ok in general, because it's on the land of someone who is employing the entertainer, but to my way of thinking it's unsolicited and it's spam - and it annoys me.

The time it takes to say no is irrelevant. It takes next to no time at all to delete spam emails but they are still spam, and a blight.