Domitan Redenblack Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I have my own shape for a long time, but suddenly my nose sits in a crater in my face!I have tried about 10 others shapes, many from Linden Library, and about 1/2 of those show the nose pushed back into the face, forming a crater around the nose.Often the nostrils are not visible, the nose is pushed back so far. Any ideas what's going on? ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Oh no! Do you use several viewers? Could it be a clash of caches? Maybe a corrupt cache. Try the clear cache reset button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Can you upload a photo to show us please? This sounds most odd. You're not wearing a crusher or something? (I find that a silly suggestion - apologies - you are not noob) Edited to add: Also, test how your avatar looks under different lighting. It may not be looking as bad as you believe it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 1. I use both Phoenix 1.5.2.1185 and Firestorm 4.0.1 with caches in different locations 2. Caches have been repeatedly cleared 3. About 1/2 of the shapes I have tried look fine, the others have crater-nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 If I stretch my nose length out to Pinnochio lengths (like 4") then the crater stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Well now, that just looks .... painful! And I can't say that I have seen anything like that before, except for when someone has been wearing a crusher and the avatar hasn't quite gone back to normal afterwards. Have you tried doing a 'character test'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Holy centrifugal force, Batman, that looks nasty. Teleport across to Furball sim, do a character test, see what you look like with the basic default avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Could it be a temporary Phoenix/Firestorm glitch? Maybe you can ask in their forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I've seen that many times before. If you think that's weird then don't look at your shoulder blades. You can try setting the nose tip from pointing down to pointing up, make your upper cheeks less puffy and making your nose larger. For some reason, SL men have to have large noses. I'd also recommend turning up all your light and shadow settings if you can. The basic lights tend to highlight all the flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Domitan Redenblack wrote: I have my own shape for a long time, but suddenly my nose sits in a crater in my face! I have tried about 10 others shapes, many from Linden Library, and about 1/2 of those show the nose pushed back into the face, forming a crater around the nose. Often the nostrils are not visible, the nose is pushed back so far. Any ideas what's going on? ty Have you worn any mesh clothing lately? I've heard that some people have had strange things going on with their eyes after wearing certain mesh items; the nose may be similarly effected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Theresa Tennyson wrote: Have you worn any mesh clothing lately? I've heard that some people have had strange things going on with their eyes after wearing certain mesh items; the nose may be similarly effected. Nope, no mesh clothing or other items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Too much plastic surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 How do others see you? Have a friend take a close up snap and see if it looks the same. Even though I have them in different folders, I find that when ever I go from using Phoenix to Firestorm It seems to mess me up a little, but is always fixed by simply changing outfits. If others are seeing you normal it could indicate that you are needing to do a complete clean install. Other than that I'm stuck on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: How do others see you? Exactly the same. When I use LL "male shape" etc, they sometimes look good, sometimes not. But no matter what, others see me the same way I see myself. If I pick a new shape, does the system keep the "adjust appearance" parameters of the old shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Domitan Redenblack wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: How do others see you? Exactly the same. When I use LL "male shape" etc, they sometimes look good, sometimes not. But no matter what, others see me the same way I see myself. If I pick a new shape, does the system keep the "adjust appearance" parameters of the old shape? If you've saved a copy of that shape, yes. Are you by any chance using mesh eyes? This is the closest JIRA I can find to your issue. There is a comment in there about resetting Bump Mapping. Just taking a wild guess here. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MAINT-681 My only other idea is for you to do test avatar and a clean install AFTER you are in test Ava. The rebuild from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 No mesh at all. Going to try Generic Male test character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 TEST RESULTS: 1. Before Clean Install (A) Me, (B) Male Character Test (A) Me before (B) Male Char Test, before clean install 2. Jump to Sandbox (could not find any place named Furball) (A) Male Chat Test AFTER clean install (B) Me After Clean Install, Sandbox Long and Short: No difference that I can see. The Male Test Character has some crater distortiion around the nose as well, as far as I can see. I will look for a Mod Shape which does Not have crater-nose, and then try to mod it to look like "myself" again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Well, I went and bought a Mod shape from Marketplace. The only way I see to avoid crater-nose is to make my nose into a clown nose; fat and sticking out. LL win again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I have a whole shop full of free modifyable shapes. You could've saved a little money there. The male nose in the male mesh is ugggglyyyy. It is very hard to make an attractive male face that doesn't look the same as all other males in Second Life. Unless you use the female mesh, which I don't do. The skin looks different in some of your pix. The skin shading around the nose can make a big difference. Some of your pix don't have any nostrils. Maybe it is a bad skin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Clarissa Lowell wrote: I have a whole shop full of free modifyable shapes. You could've saved a little money there. The male nose in the male mesh is ugggglyyyy. It is very hard to make an attractive male face that doesn't look the same as all other males in Second Life. Unless you use the female mesh, which I don't do. The skin looks different in some of your pix. The skin shading around the nose can make a big difference. Some of your pix don't have any nostrils. Maybe it is a bad skin? The nostrils are there, just pushed back inside the face for some reason. I think its because I want a normal sized nose, not a Linden Labs super honker. The shapes I bought have "normal noses" which are twice the size of RL noses. The body mesh that LL use for men has serious flaws, just like the LL female body has breasts that hang from the neck rather than straight down from the shoulders, ugh. And yes, the skin does make a difference. I have tried Allesandra, Ispachi, Redgrave, Emperor, Laqroki, Jordan Skins, Belleza, etc - All have the same problem around the nose. Emelia Redgrave thought it might be a viewer problem, but my two (Phoenix and Firestorm) both show this trouble, and others say I look the same to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Nose tip angle seems to be the culprit, mostly. If you do a piggy-nose, then the crater mostly disappears. Northern European noses seem to be off-limits at Linden Labs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Domitan Redenblack wrote: Nose tip angle seems to be the culprit, mostly. If you do a piggy-nose, then the crater mostly disappears. Northern European noses seem to be off-limits at Linden Labs ! This is one of the reasons we need Avatar 2.0 but that is a side issue. Your Avatar shape is made up of triangles as you probably know. When you edit your shape what you are doing is moving and or changing the size of the triangles. The triangles around the one that you are moving have to adjust to accommodate this. If you've ever used a warp feature in a photo editing picture you'd see that getting this right is not always as easy as it sounds without another part of the image looking distorted. There are 77 adjustment points in your shape control. 54 of them are for your head/face. So getting your nose right may be more challenging then what you might think. There will of course be limits to how much you can do. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Appearance Then add to it your skin. As you change your shape you 'stretch' the skin textures. I'm not trying to make it sound impossible. Just that it can take some practice and work to learn all the foibles of the adjustments. ETA.....This is one of the reasons why your so called better skins and shapes can and do cost more. It really is an art form to learn and to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitan Redenblack Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: Just that it can take some practice and work to learn all the foibles of the adjustments. Yes, i am aware of this, but if I don't want Pinnochio or Piglet, then the tip of my nose must not point up. And when it points down, it pivots on a centerline which makes the nostrils crater into the face. Ugh. I do not see any solution for this via the Viewer LL Appearance Editting Controls. If there is another way to edit my face, I would be happy to try it out. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Is this issue not making you go around staring at everyone else's noses? If I could log in, I would come and inspect yours and have you test some shapes with your preferred skin. You look absolutely fine in your profile photo here, and you must be so very frustrated by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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