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Viewer 2.5 with Web Profiles Has Arrived

Q Linden



Today we launched Viewer 2.5, now out of Beta. The most significant update is a new, web-based profile system, which allows profiles to be viewed and edited both on the web and in the Viewer. For example, here's mine. Please note this is just a starting point for the web-based profiles; we’ll be doing a lot of work to refine the usability and make them richer over time.

In response to your feedback from the early beta versions of Viewer 2.5, we've added some privacy settings that will allow you to control just how public your profile is. Once you’ve logged in, click on “Privacy Settings” in the upper right corner of your profile. Group settings set in the Viewer will be overridden by these group privacy settings.

  • "Everyone" means that the information is available to the whole Internet and can be picked up by search engines.
  • "Second Life" means that the information is available to all Second Life Residents who are logged into the website or inworld. This is the default for all existing Residents using Viewer 2.5.
  • "Friends" means that only your Second Life friends can see the information on the web and inworld.

This is why we have a beta process--to address concerns and improve your user experience. We will continue to iterate as we get more feedback. Thank you for all your help and comments. Please attend the Viewer 2 User Group meetings if you would like to share your thoughts and feedback directly with me and the Snowstorm team.

Viewer 2.5 also has some other new features. The one I like best is that you can now have your Favorite landmarks also appear on the login screen, so that you can log directly into your favorite locations. Torley made a video about this, so check it out! We've also improved some texturing performance and fixed another batch of bugs. Watching the internal data, we've already seen a noticeable improvement in stability and performance--on par with Viewer 1.23.

Download Viewer 2.5, try it out, and keep the feedback coming! And, if you Twitter, please use the hashtag #slviewer2.

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in response to my  last comment, i just removed linux 2.4 viewer and installed linux viewer 2.5 (manually, not auto-update).. I logged in ok, not checked out anything else though...

By the way.. one of my main issues about this is as follows..the mesa drivers that i have to use with my ati radeon r 300 (9550) card have texture rendering issues..it's the only drivers that work with the card, and yes they are the current ones.. (maybe if i could get an older nvidia card)..any chance of someone further developing these ? ..thats one reason i dont use linux on here..only windows.and viewer 1.23.

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More wowie


I added a undershirt layer and it took off my hair And other could see me bald while it figured out how to add my undershirt layer Not sure what else it removed, but wow.


its pretty funny actually, put on a shirt lose your hair for a bit

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I Am not sure from where to start. My experience in SL might be somewhat different than most, since business owner, managing customer care and dealing with note compiling, and a lot of item drops over profiles.

I tested it, as usual, I keep giving it a try and the result is anything I need to do takes me at least 3 more steps to complete. From social interactions, to building ability, to work on avatar layers and customization, and now even dealing with people profiles. I didn't see any improvement in the V2 UI since the choice of undocking the sidebar. I still need at least 60% time more spent inworld if I use V2 rather than phoenix. I am sorry...but I really think you shall learn from the phoenix team.

Now please allow me to share some issues I find unproductive for my personal second life:

- What the hell is going on lately, this week LAG was at a peak everywhere randomly, what's happening?

- Please keep all you can inworld, SL is beautiful, it's 3D, it's a great place, let people enjoy it. Stop directing the community to a plain 2d webpage. Why do we build and rent sims then?

- Fix search. I can't find things. I like to shop inworld.

- Be sure my hidden groups are hidden to all, thank you. I don't wish all my customers to see my private side of sl.

- Please do not sell me on facebook, I have no trust on their marketing, privacy and data usage. Widgets are great, advertising on facebook go for it (LL shall anyway advertise more) but keep my data, cookies, etc safe. Use facebook to the bone, LL; but do not make facebook use you.

- Leave to us the ability to share our RL, it's something private. Second life shall keep in mind people wishes freedom from RL boundaries. Any possible connection (even if technically impossible) freaks the hell out of residents, limits the feeling of freedom and careless attitude. Let people feel relaxed, safe and happy, it's what SL is for. It's not about the facebook button being used, it's just its presence over a profile that is uncomfortable, allow to OPT IN for who needs that facebook button, I would opt in personally for business reasons, but my alt wouldn't. It's also about visual communication, hire a specialist.

- I own more than 5 sims, am of course a premium account, do I really need to stare at advertising?

- FIX the V2 User Interface, that type of interface doesn't stimulate an easy approach to creativity.

I love Second Life, I create Second Life, I will stay in Second Life basically whatever you do, but please do not abuse our being in love with this World we all created.

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Having seen the web profiles, I find them to be pretty awefull. They are slow to load, clunky looking, and take up far too much space on the screen. Beyond that, I don't trust that the privacy settings LL implemented would stop web crawlers and services like Google and Facebook from harvesting info from them. All it takes is one oops to lose all credability. I'm considering stripping everything out of my profile other than instructions to ask for a notecard in world that would then have my profile info on it.

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Probably a matter of semantics, but just because it no longer is designated as beta doesn't mean that it is no longer beta.  This is my opinion, but I have yet to find a version 2.x viewer that performs well enough that I would be proud to call a release version vs alpha or beta versions.

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I don't care about the social stuff but I do like the viewer, at least the layout and the way it renders graphics.

My complaints however are these.

I'd like to see my avatar's position in world at all times. The only way you can get this is to click on the address bar.

Never used 2.4, just the 2.5 betas but I frequently get disconnected when TPing and the voice always goes in and out.Does not happen with third party viewers based on 1.3.x code.

A lot of time updating the display about what land you are over is extremely slow. The address bar needs to update a lot faster when you move.

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Four seconds?  Absolutely ridiculous for what amounts to a static page.  Any competent or reasonably powered web server can do it in a fraction of a second.  Do a new feature right or don't do it, please.

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It's really great how they put that percentage bar on your profile, just like facebook does. I suppose that is to encourage you to do the facebook links and put all your real life info in there so you will be at 100% done, haha.

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The one thing that's conspicuously missing is the Online/Offline indicator.  If I need to get in touch with someone who isn't a friend, I don't want to have to open up a chat window to check whether they're online.

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Patric.... theres an online HUD you can buy on Marketplace for free that lets you add nonfriends to it to see when they are online (you can also add friends who may be "ghosting" from you) ... its made by Learjeff Innis.

Comes in handy!

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I have only two hands. So, I am unable to create a whole forest full of facepalms.

I will plant some more palm trees inworld. Because the grid is my avatars world, not the "web".

(And if I want something about my avatar on a website, I can do it by myself on a lazy day, and: better!)

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  • I can't get to the web profile without clicking on the profile link in the above Linen's write up.
  • I don't see where I change my privacy settings anywhere on the web profile
  • In world I can't get to my profile information to change my privacy settings.
  • I get an error message "ssl handshake failed"  when I click on people's profiles.
  • If I click on the side of the error box for the website, it doesn't load.

So the web page profile has now given me less information and I don't know how to fix it.

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Dear LL, I do not like this at all. I agree with others:

1) It takes too long to load the profile.

2) The window opens with my friend's URL but then switches to my URL and loads my profile. #DEFECT!

3) I feel like I was forced to upgrade since I did not know about the "automatic upgrade" option.

In addition:

4) When I relogged for the first time the default for automatic streaming music is on. I just don't understand why the defuault is on. It causes lag and crashing for me.

5) This is yet one more example of what I perceive as the incompetence of LL developers. Clearly you do not do any usability studies - if you do, clearly you pay no attention. Is there some overly ambitious executive on staff that is pushing this through before it is ready?

6) To others who defend LL and ridicule people's complaints  - back off. Four seconds may be nothing to you but to those of us who are trying to multi-task and get things done in SL, it is a nuisance not worth any perceived benefit.

7) I find it hilarious that everytime LL releases a new feature it is in this voice of excitement - "like yay this is so great." Because we have been asking for it? NOT

Hopefully Rod Humble reads this thread too.

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I'm beginning to understand the logic of LL.

A vast mayority of posters (in this thread and in another threads) against the web based profiles means TO ME: "Probably LL will reverse in this matter". But a vast mayority of posters (in this thread and in another threads) against the web based profiles means TO LINDEN LAB: "We have a ver favourable feed back of the community supporting this new feature and happy with the web based profiles".

Well, I must reread "Alice in Wonderland". Probably the Cheshire Cat has the key.

Apologies if this comment is offensive. But sometimes it's hard to be at all times a good person.

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By the way, just because I leave a comment here does not mean that I want to receive emails of comments afterwards. Apparently that is the default setting because I did not choose it.

Another example of LL making defaults that fit their needs as opposed to the users. I am starting to be convinced that LL has no respect for their current users.

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Web-Profiles use way too much space, even though I have a 24" display
Also, its absolutely uncomfortable to add notes (to many clicks) and read them (linebreaks are ignored, too little space)
PLEASE! I want the old Profile-Tab in the sidepane back!!!!!
Why not having both? Web-Profiles AND the "old" System?

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By the way, just because I leave a comment here does not mean that I want to receive emails of comments afterwards. Apparently that is the default setting because I did not choose it.

Another example of LL making defaults that fit their needs as opposed to the users. I am starting to be convinced that LL has no respect for their current users.

Yes it's the default, click on your name, go to edit preferences, click on Email Notification preferences and you'll see the defaults there, you probably want everything set to no.

Then click on your name again, click manage email notifications and that will show any notifications you're currently subscribed to.

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Well, it seems my alt, who's on another computer experienced the exact same teleporting problems. I switched to Phoenix myself, while I kept my alt on the new LL viewer. Which is rather inconvenient, since teleporting basically means having to log out, and logging back in with the the place you want to go as target destination. Just brilliant..

Completely cleared all caches, uninstalled the viewer and re-installed it as well, but that didn't help either. At some point, my alt for once saw a neighbouring sim on her minimap (those had disappeared from there too). So, I attempted to fly over, and now my alt is ghosted there, waiting for the sim to restart.

Sorry, but I think it's just too much of a coincidence, how all this started right after the forced viewer update, while 15 minutes before that everything worked just fine (as far as that's even possible in SL). I guess I'll get an email about the whole thing in about 5 weeks saying the ticket is resolved. Though I'm hoping the usual rolling restarts on wednesday sort her out.

For now, I'll just stick to Phoenix and Kirstens'. Even an experimental version of Kirstens' has less issues than a Linden Labs final release!

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I don't see the point of the web profile. It seems completely useless


The point is, you can be searched on the web, not just inside SL. For networking, it's a huge plus.

Networking? That's useless crap, too! So no need for this. If you want networking, go to S*ckerboy's Fartbook. This is SL and I don't want that here!

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  1. You are not out of beta! This thing is still buggy.
  2. Pick a UI. Don't cross the streams by trying to embed web UI in the fat client. This is tiered development: change the client to use a web service if you must, but debug them both.
  3. Web profile search is good, but again it's crossing the streams. When you have a viable client embedded IN THE BROWSER then maybe it will work. Otherwise I need something like dual displays to have both browser and fat client running. I'm sure you developers all have them, but us ordinary folks don't.
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Fredrik, I have a fast, simple and superior solution to this: Scrap web profiles and get the old Viewer 1.x profiles back! These web profiles are the most stupid invention since squared wheels and fire extinguishers filled with fuel!

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WTF?????   Don't any of the Lindens acutally get into SL anymore?

Hardly! They are all Twittering around how good they are with Farmville on Facebook...

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