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Viewer 2.5 with Web Profiles Has Arrived

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Q Linden

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Today we launched Viewer 2.5, now out of Beta. The most significant update is a new, web-based profile system, which allows profiles to be viewed and edited both on the web and in the Viewer. For example, here's mine. Please note this is just a starting point for the web-based profiles; we’ll be doing a lot of work to refine the usability and make them richer over time.

In response to your feedback from the early beta versions of Viewer 2.5, we've added some privacy settings that will allow you to control just how public your profile is. Once you’ve logged in, click on “Privacy Settings” in the upper right corner of your profile. Group settings set in the Viewer will be overridden by these group privacy settings.

  • "Everyone" means that the information is available to the whole Internet and can be picked up by search engines.
  • "Second Life" means that the information is available to all Second Life Residents who are logged into the website or inworld. This is the default for all existing Residents using Viewer 2.5.
  • "Friends" means that only your Second Life friends can see the information on the web and inworld.

This is why we have a beta process--to address concerns and improve your user experience. We will continue to iterate as we get more feedback. Thank you for all your help and comments. Please attend the Viewer 2 User Group meetings if you would like to share your thoughts and feedback directly with me and the Snowstorm team.

Viewer 2.5 also has some other new features. The one I like best is that you can now have your Favorite landmarks also appear on the login screen, so that you can log directly into your favorite locations. Torley made a video about this, so check it out! We've also improved some texturing performance and fixed another batch of bugs. Watching the internal data, we've already seen a noticeable improvement in stability and performance--on par with Viewer 1.23.

Download Viewer 2.5, try it out, and keep the feedback coming! And, if you Twitter, please use the hashtag #slviewer2.

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Hey all,

Sounds like you have a lot of really great feedback. I encourage you to log the bugs in JIRA and/or to participate in the Viewer 2 User Groups. That way, you can discuss your experiences and recommendations directly with the product owners. Thanks!

WOW

Nice, Amanda.  Typical Linden SCREW YOU.

SL IS A MESS AND YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS!!

So thanks for nothing.  You're worthless.  How's that for feeback?

This stuff isn't necessary.  At all.

Anyone who reads my posts (in many threads) knows how I feel about the V2 Viewer, the features and the bugs.  I'm not a LL fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, and I don't generally like where they are going with certain things..

That said, garbage like this solves nothing.  One of the main complaints is that LL does not listen to it's customers, and i agree.  But when you post nonsense like this, you certainly don't give them much reason to listen, do you?

Critcism is fine.  Harsh criticism is often necessary.  Stuff like what you posted here accomplishes nothing, and goes well beyond just criticism.  Don't stoop to that level.

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Honestly I hate hate hate hate (did I mention hate?) the entire web-based profile!!!! With the sidebar opened and someone's profile open now the ENTIRE screen is full of windows and unless the web-based profile is moved it covers the nearby chat so you basically can't see anything while looking at someone's profile. What's the point? What was wrong with seeing the profile in the sidebar? Hmmm I'm pretty sure the answer is NOTHING!! Not to mention when you click to view someone's profile it opens my profile instead which means clicking once, waiting for it to load, clicking again, then more waiting whereas before it was instant. Really bad choice LL!

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some great comments here shows how many in SL care for their SL life

try this, go to the bit where Q Linden says "here is mine" as in web profile. Copy and paste the first paragraph into google and whammo--what do you find?--a web presence. Imagine thousands of SL users with web profiles on the Internet? What a web presence for currently struggling business people in SL? They need more custom in todays economic slump. Perhaps they need our help to boost new customers.

Googles algorithm spider works like this for those that might not know. The more references to a website their is on the internet, the higher it climbs in the search engines. Those of you that see the value of this make sure you put a hyperlink to second life in your profile. This is more clever than you might imagine.

A "beta" version is just that, its for the users to feedback bugs because they use the application under many different conditions and desktops. Even microsoft releases "betas", has anyone ever known a bug free Microsoft. And what application on the internet does not have automatic updates. I admit a beta should not be forced for those that don't want it, I think that checkbox for updates was not too obvious. A beta should never be an update, but only the final release.

But the web presence thing is very clever in my view, it is time SL had a powerful web presence..

just my 2 cents..:) or pence as they say in UK

 

bye the way I am single Scot and love the jazz clubs in SL? lol

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useless..or if really someone needs to be found in the web .. then please fix the css styles and functions. but i agree with michael fairplay: USELESS!

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I'm not interested in linking my SL and RL networking sites, and I was very satisfied with the profile in the sidebar.  As several have mentioned, now when you look at a profile, you lose half the screen -- and if they happen to start talking to you (in chat, I also rarely use voice) you don't know until you close the profile screen.

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All is not lost IF we can believe this:

More from Rod Humble (Linden Labs new CEO)

Privacy is extremely important for anyone putting themselves out there, expressing themselves, or expressing a side of themselves through an avatar. People don’t want other people to connect the dots from their avatar to their real life person – or even, for that matter, to an alt. One of the ethical obligations we have is to protect people’s privacy

“People come to Second Life because they want a story, they want to be in a story….and we have an ethical obligation to protect that.

I’m not so sure that the conventional wisdom makes any sense. Yes, it might be technically easy to track people and all that. But in the long-term I’m optimistic that we’ll see the pendulum swing back in the other direction towards more privacy.

Thus speaks Rod Humble.......

You can read the rest of the interview here: http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/more-from-rod-humble/

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Hey all,

Sounds like you have a lot of really great feedback. I encourage you to log the bugs in JIRA and/or to participate in the Viewer 2 User Groups. That way, you can discuss your experiences and recommendations directly with the product owners. Thanks!

 

A problem with that is you can not put viewer 2.5 as the bug or problem on Jira and we have seen how much attention is paid to the Jira for anything that is not affecting LL being able to get more money.

In general to the facebook thing, I don't want anything about me connected to facebook, I already had problems with a stalker from being on myspace, problems being a vast understatement that does not even start to say what happened and the medical costs incurred from "networking" sites being used target people for hate crimes. It is bad enough all the rape sims in sl encouraging people to think it is ok and women want to be raped. Adding an easier way to find people to target for hate crimes for things in their SL profile is beyond stupid and malicious even if it is not deliberately malicious.

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The problem with the Viewe 2,5, when we see the profile of a resident, impossible to know if he is online or not. With latests viewer, we had a note fort that in the profile. Excus my english.

Erna Omizu

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The problem with the Viewe 2,5, when we see the profile of a  resident, impossible to know if he is online or not. With latests  viewer, we had a note fort that in the profile. Excus my english.

Erdna Omizu

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The feature I don't like is my every ten second stutter. Nice to know you "look out" for Linux users, lol. And to think I got a new graphics card and thought I would actually be able to run this stupid thing. Bad form.

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HAHAHA  Great point...  pretty soon we won't have to be in SL to be IN SL.

Its all going to be web based or we'll be playing from a damn App in Facebook!

 

They have to be getting their idea from Facebook.  Just recently, FB'ers are frantically reshare and posting a new "Recent Post" feature, that they just laid out on everyone, and didn't say anything. 

FB AT IT AGAIN.... Wondering why you're only seeing status updates from the same people? Facebook has changed its News Feed so that by default u can only see updates from people u have recently interacted with! To change this click "most recent" then "edit options" and tick the box 2 receive updates from ALL friends. Repost this!! Remember only a few of your friends will actually see this

Does this sound familiar? Rolling out features no one wants?

People wondering why their friends are so quiet.

Parents mad at their teens thinking they blocked them. 

Don't believe for a minute that the Lindens are the only ones that do this type of thing.

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Yeah, its the same thing alot of us FB'ers have been bitching about....  changing security and settings to where our information goes who knows where... and now SL is doing it with the "liking" crap and linking us to social networks.

We might as well just fill out a form with our home address, social security #, phone number and send it out to EVERYone.... lets just save their web programmers/designers some time.

*rolls eyes*

FOR ONCE, I'd like someone to keep their word with what they used to say.... that they care about our privacy.

Because LL no longer does.

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I tried it & I've gone back to 2.4, I have a topend gaming PC (Pentium Core 2 Quad with 3.2GHz CPU, 4Gig DDR6 Ram, Nvidia GTS 450 1Gig video) and it is soooo slow, with 2.5 even in the low graphics setting in preferences it's slow, but who wants to use that setting, crazy, why try and better something, that that is already running ok, just adding more is pointless for those running smaller PC's, not everyone has fast internet speeds or big PC like you may have at Linden Labs, think of the little people for a change and not the $ or euro's

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* More Functional Web Profiles or None *

I have fought the web profiles since their inception because of the slow down and their huge size while you are waiting.  And don't you dare minimize them because they often fail and have to be stopped and refreshed.  You will wind up restoring an empty window!  And I think minimizing the gigantic window makes it slower to load too.  If someone asks why you look frozen in space, just tust tell people you are waiting for Viewer 2.5 profiles to load.

But in all honesty, I will have to admit that web profiles have potential.  I was sincerely happier with the simple quick loading profiles on the side of the screen.  But if you are going to have web profiles, realize their potential and make them as usable as other web profiles:

- On your dashboard, make your friends clickable.  Why make it difficult to view these web profiles on secondlife.com.
- Increase the amount of information that can be on the profile.  Multiple Pictures.  More than freaking 300 character descriptions.  Just glance at other sites online that offer profiles.
- Consider making your groups clickable and interactive off your dashboard.  Allow clicking profiles, IMming people, and adding personal notes about on secondlife.com
- Make sure you can use secondlife.com to communicate.  Add a wall or easy IM ability right off the website.  Some people have to leave SL for a while for a number of reasons such as problems with the software, their computer, or a lack of time.  These people might love to still communicate with their friends on the site.

If we are stuck with a new web system and a more facebook-like Second Life, do it right.

Jump in the water or get out.

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I would love to see how the web profiles look & function but I have currently disabled all media, cookies & plug-ins inworld due to the proliferation of various privacy violating, IP data-mining / alt detecting gadgets.

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I'm trying to go back to 2.4 but it's giving me the message that I must download and use 2.5 and can't log on until I do.  Anyone know how to get around that?

Yes, LL.  I hate the web profiles THAT much.

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install the update, then go to preferences/setup and take the check out of automatically download and install second life updates, then ok, after that reinstall 2.4 over the 2.5 and your done remember to take out the check again once you install 2.4, or it will update again

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I would like to add: if you are trying to update web profiles and make them accessable online .... provide a way to search for people by RL location (especially by city).  IMVU does this quite well.

There is a wonderful dating potential in Second Life, but by the time you fall in love, you realize they're in Croatia or something.  Give us a reliable way to meet local singles!

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