Mickey Vandeverre

Perrie Juran wrote: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Forums-Feedback/Category-Suggestions-For-Mac-Users-amp-For-TPV-s/td-p/1681249 Thesis: Discussion of issues specific to Mac users are allowed in the Forum. However, they get scattered in different categories. Also, discussions regarding TPV's are used, but they also get scattered. Proposal: We should have subsections in the Technology section specific for Mac users and for TPV users. This would make searching useful information easier for every one by consolidating into categories specific to these. _____________________________________________ If you agree it would (might) help if you added your feedback to the feedback thread also. That is the one the Linden's say they actually read. most definitely. just about every day there is a new user on twitter asking for help on how to get started, or they are having a technical glitch. generally refer them to the technology section, but afraid that they are on a different system or a different viewer than what is being discussed, and for a new user, having to weed through all of that on first few attempts might be daunting, and might seem too much trouble. If they were grouped together a bit more structured, specifically for each user, might save a few new ones from frustration, so they could go directly to what they need.

ok, your comments... "Never did I imply that every1 can afford a computer suited for SL, and I actually was sympathetic to people without the money to spend on a new PC. I personally need a higher end PC for what I work on now, which is not SL, and just can't afford to spend the money, and this is my business. So, I do have some sympathy. The rest of what you said only supports my assertion that a user with a higher end PC is more likely to have the money to spend in a virtual world. I did not assume any1 got a PC just for SL. What I was implying was that some1 that is going to spend alot of money inside SL, is likely to also spend money on a machine that is suited to SL. The computer is a reflection of how important SL is to them. I'm not saying that those with low-end PC's don't care about SL, I'm just saying that it can generally be assumed that those with higher end PC's value this platform a bit more that those with lower end PC's, generally speaking. I gave no stats, it's all based on just generalized logical conclusions." I'm not sure that sympathy is in order. Empathy maybe. On several different layers, both merchants and customers and people that just play around or all. We are all tied together. I do not believe that a user with a higher end PC is more likely to have money to spend, in fact, I believe the opposite. I don't believe that the cost of a computer has a correlation with the user's value of or commitment to SL. I do not think that your conclusions are logical. @couldbe - thanks (probably a short term technical glitch)

Medhue Simoni wrote: Mickey Vandeverre wrote: "A creator that makes items only for low-end computers, is guaranteed to sell less and make less money. Why? This should be obvious, but a person with a low end computer is going to have much less cash to spend than some1 with a high-end computer. Now, of course, there are exceptions for every rule, but on average, this will be true." Not sure where to start on that. you might pick up a copy of an older book "The Millionaire Mind" and review on how people with money spend cash. when I arrived here, everyone I met was on a laptop. I generally made friends with business people because I was selling luxury homes. 200 bucks to 400 bucks. (that was 2007) They were on laptops because they were busy people and mobile all day and into the night and while traveling. I'm sure some were on laptops that you would call "low-end"...because they were "playing." They've all moved on, and doubt that they could function at all now, mobile. SL has become very difficult for a laptop user. Shame, that. Large population. and large population that you sort of insulted. where did you pull those stats from? Who is talking about millionaires? Those are a whole different animal. As for everything else, see my comments above. a whole different animal than who? or whom? people who use a scrap laptop to play around a bit? separate from their business set up? perhaps not. I will go above and read your comments.

sure are a lot logged into the forum right now. spooky. a roustabout maybe.

EvaFord wrote: There is a DJ in SL who uses an Alt as his Hostess/Partner. He claims "She" is voice verified implying that this ALT is female. He even made a fake first life profile with a fake photo of this ALT Partner. I find this unethical. Guests are being asked to Tip the DJ's Alt. I see it as a Scam. Since this is a Public figure in SL. Someone asking you for L$, do you feel that it should ok to post information about this in your profile? I feel that people who ask to be compensated in SL, need to be required to be honest as to where that money is going. Should Public Figures be exempt from some TOS disclosures. ______________________________________________________________________________________________Added ADDED at last of discussion: If you had started this thread by saying, "There's a person that I know from long personal experience is a scam artist and I want to keep others from being hurt, what can I do?" you probably would have been given some good advice. Several people have noted that your motives were NOT clear. Go back and read your initial post and see if it sounds like what you're saying now. Most people think it doesnt. Thank you.. This was definately an issue in the discussion. "Added ADDED at last of discussion: If you had started this thread by saying, "There's a person that I know from long personal experience is a scam artist and I want to keep others from being hurt, what can I do?" well now, that changes everything. then my initial response would be.... following someone into SL from Real Life is pretty creepy. Probably not a good idea.

I was being sarcastic too it appears that she has altered the original post once again, to include perhaps another agenda.

Malanya wrote: What were we misguided into by the topic and the first few posts (that changed their tone after replies) by this person? Was this misleading to get people to participate in some study and is THAT ethical? I find this whole thread she/he started to possibly (using the word loosely here) mislead people into this non-discussion. Wonder if there is any guidelines about this? I think ethics and morals apply to the OP and in no way a DJ using an alt. Just saying. LOL and replies change from post to post first we don't care about other people and then we are intelligent. Should I laugh now or look into ethics on misleading people in the sl forum to be quoted and edited in some blog? Hmm... perhaps, Malanya. if I were to write a paper, might include that. yes, people take quotes and names from forum discussions and blog about them outside of SL.

EvaFord wrote: Is it? Was that information ever there, or are you just posting personal information about me that you just happened to find ? How do I know? How does anyone know? The edit button is a legal option, right. So there is nothing wrong with using it. Also , your whole arguement here has been about the right to privacy of personal information. Maybe you convinced me. "legal options" ??? you are getting your worlds mixed up. if you wanted to take action about a perceived problem, then you would file an Abuse Report, also known as an AR. someone here can tell you how to do that, it's been a while since I used it. But that process of course, would not provide substance for your "paper." You are very confused about what my discussion and any other discussion was about. Be careful there, sister, on your hypothesis.

EvaFord wrote: It is a very interesting topic, isn't it. You never know, in a Virtural World, with whom you are interacting. Seriously though, I must go. I think everyone agrees that it is time to close the thread. Thanks for offering your comments. Why stop now? finally getting a track on the scent of the scam.

EvaFord wrote: It is good that this discussion never turned ugly. That is a credit to the openess of our community here. It was hard to stay on task and get a good discussion because it is a very emotional and controversal subject. But I think we did for the most part.. People who post here are very intelligent and will weigh both sides of the issue, and wiith time will find a solution that works for the good of our community. I still believe people are inherently good. Though I have been burned bady here in SL, I did try to keep this about Ethics and not my personal problem. After 21 pages of thread, the general consensus has been overwhelming in the view that:- a) There isn't a problem b) The perceived problem is experienced by you c) Yours to manage I hope this link works for you. I am very interested in the Issue of Trust and Ethics in Virtual Worlds and The Impact On Real Life Mental Health http://www.scoop.it/t/ethics-in-virtuality Good Play is looking at different age gorups and Ehtics in Gaming. in-depth interviews with 15-25 year-olds. Howard Gardner is a well known name in Education. http://rezedhub.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2047896%3ABlogPost%3A10578 Interesting Read: http://www.amazon.com/Virtual-Justice-Laws-Online-Worlds/dp/0300177747?SubscriptionId=AKIAIRVHGK2D47UNA24Q&tag=scot0e-20&linkCode=sp1&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0300177747 I am just one small voice. But I am not alone. Others are concerned too. It is time to close this thread and move on to my real life work. Thanks to all who took time to offer ideas. Eva

oh. you're working on a paper. how interesting. ETA: "I am working on a paper....." is now missing from your post. and was missing from your original post. let's talk trust and ethics now.

Teagan Tobias wrote: Another thought crossed my mind, what if by tipping the DJ and the Host, both the same person, that RL person was able to put food on the dinner table that night for there family. Hard times are real. Just a thought. Exactly. When she gets back ask her to find out what kind of a computer he is using. need to copy down the specs.

EvaFord wrote: The Discussion has evolved as all good discussions do. Don't you think it is much more interesting to discuss the ethical and unethical use of ALTS for fun and for business purposes as opposed to focusing on a personal issue. ? Do you agree that ALTS can be used to scam and cause hurt in SL? I agree that there are valid uses for them. So let's come up with a creative way to solve the negative aspects and make SL a safer place. But I I think in order to to that we have to start small......... I retract any empathy for your situation. Not your prop and entertainment for the day.

EvaFord wrote: Mickey Vandeverre wrote: Good grief, I'm about to lose patience, too. Eva - here is a suggestion: make yourself an alt, and try out some roleplaying adventures. Immerse a bit in another community that does it strictly roleplay. Learn more about what other people use SL for. Have an adventure. Role play is FUN ! And wonderful escape in SL. :) Great example of creative use of ALTS in SL. I had to erase my response. I don't feel like getting another vacation at the moment. I think there is more to this story. There usually is. Considering the most recent enlightenment as to how you got their real life info.... ...yes, an real ethics discussion is in order. not one that is subterfuge.

Good grief, I'm about to lose patience, too. Eva - here is a suggestion: make yourself an alt, and try out some roleplaying adventures. Immerse a bit in another community that does it strictly roleplay. Learn more about what other people use SL for. Have an adventure.