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[JeanneAnne Member]

Sometimes I'm minding my own business on a sim that appears to be terra firma when suddenly I fall thru the ground & find myself free falling thru space! This has happened to me several times. Once I landed in a Gorean sim & the women there told me that I wasn't supposed to be there without some kinduva meter, and that I'd better leave before the guy who ruled the roost logged in. Another time I landed on what appeared to be a private sandbox or building area. No one was home so I just explored around. My question is:

Are sims that appear to be solid ground (& water) suspended in the sky? Is this common?

Why do I sometimes fall thru them? I've been told that lag causes it but I often experience lag without falling outuv the sim. Is it a lag problem, or something else?

Jeanne

[Perrie Juran Member]

If you look at 'about land' at the top of your viewer, you will see numbers that tell you your exact location on a SIM.  For instance you may read "Smith 125,232,181."  The last digits are your altitude above sea level in SL meters.  So if you see a high number, you are on a build up in the sky.  The first two sets indicate your east and west, north and south (actually x and y, z is height)

Security orbs are limited how high they apply.  So it is possible to 'fall out of the sky' into a secured area and find yourself ejected.

To clarify, sometimes SIM owners build large structures in the sky, though the water issue you mention may be a lag issue.  I go to one beach SIM that has a motorcycle track set up at 1500 meters above the beach.  I have rode off the edge of t5he track a few times.

[Theresa Tennyson]

Many, many bulids that appear to be on the "ground" are actually in the sky. One reason for falling through the ground is that objects made from sculpted prims aren't "physically" that shape. A sphere sculpted to be a banana will still interact with the world as a sphere. To get around this a lot of sculpted prims are made "phantom" (no physical existence i.e. you can't bump into or walk on them) and have simpler invisible shape hidden inside them as a walking surface, etc. Sometimes this step is forgotten and you may end up stepping on a phantom sculpted prim and fall right through because there's nothing to stop you. Also some regular prims may have been made phantom accidentally.

[JeanneAnne Member]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

If you look at 'about land' at the top of your viewer, you will see numbers that tell you your exact location on a SIM.  For instance you may read "Smith 125,232,181."  The last digits are your altitude above sea level in SL meters.  So if you see a high number, you are on a build up in the sky.  The first two sets indicate your east and west (actually x and y, z is height)

Security orbs are limited how high they apply.  So it is possible to 'fall out of the sky' into a secured area and find yourself ejected.

To clarify, sometimes SIM owners build large structures in the sky, though the water issue you mention may be a lag issue.  I go to one beach SIM that has a motorcycle track set up at 1500 meters above the beach.  I have rode off the edge of t5he track a few times.

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Thanks Perrie.

Yeah, I knew that the z number was altitude but I guess that I never pay any attention to those coordinates unless I'm flying. When I'm bored I sometimes see how high I can go and see what all is up there but I guess that I never expected entire large sims to be up in the sky. Usually I just see individual houses or small sky boxes. Sometimes I see objects it looks like someone has rezzed up there & just left hanging.

Do you know what makes me sometimes fall out of them? Is it lag or something else? It isn't like I fall off the edge - more like I just fall thru the ground!

Jeanne

[JeanneAnne Member]

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Theresa Tennyson wrote:

Many, many bulids that appear to be on the "ground" are actually in the sky. One reason for falling through the ground is that objects made from sculpted prims aren't "physically" that shape. A sphere sculpted to be a banana will still interact with the world as a sphere. To get around this a lot of sculpted prims are made "phantom" (no physical existence i.e. you can't bump into or walk on them) and have simpler invisible shape hidden inside them as a walking surface, etc. Sometimes this step is forgotten and you may end up stepping on a phantom sculpted prim and fall right through because there's nothing to stop you. Also some regular prims may have been made phantom accidentally.

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Thanks! Theresa..

Jeanne

[Perrie Juran Member]

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JeanneAnne wrote:

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Perrie Juran wrote:

If you look at 'about land' at the top of your viewer, you will see numbers that tell you your exact location on a SIM.  For instance you may read "Smith 125,232,181."  The last digits are your altitude above sea level in SL meters.  So if you see a high number, you are on a build up in the sky.  The first two sets indicate your east and west (actually x and y, z is height)

Security orbs are limited how high they apply.  So it is possible to 'fall out of the sky' into a secured area and find yourself ejected.

To clarify, sometimes SIM owners build large structures in the sky, though the water issue you mention may be a lag issue.  I go to one beach SIM that has a motorcycle track set up at 1500 meters above the beach.  I have rode off the edge of t5he track a few times.

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Thanks Perrie.

Yeah, I knew that the z number was altitude but I guess that I never pay any attention to those coordinates unless I'm flying. When I'm bored I sometimes see how high I can go and see what all is up there but I guess that I never expected entire large sims to be up in the sky. Usually I just see individual houses or small sky boxes. Sometimes I see objects it looks like someone has rezzed up there & just left hanging.

Do you know what makes me sometimes fall out of them? Is it lag or something else? It isn't like I fall off the edge - more like I just fall thru the ground!

Jeanne

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I don't know a specific answer to give you for this.  I f you got ejected from a build in the sky you might have this happen, but then you should have gotten an 'you've been ejected' message.

[Peony Sweetwater Honored Resident]

My guess would be that the fault is at the join between prims. Especially if it's happening at a sim crossing - things can get pretty borked around there.

[JeanneAnne Member]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

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I don't know a specific answer to give you for this.  I f you got ejected from a build in the sky you might have this happen, but then you should have gotten an 'you've been ejected' message.

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No, I don't think I'm being ejected when this happens. I never get an ejection message anyway. I don't think that I've ever been ejected from anywhere altho I've gotten messages that say something like I have 20 seconds to leave or I will be ejected. This is more like I just fall out the bottom of the sim. Once it happened when I was shopping & I wouldn't think that shop owners would eject potential customers! Now that I think about it, this has happened when a tp failed but it's also happened when I wasn't attempting to tp. I think that what's been said about falling between prims is probably the correct explanation. I know that sometimes when first rezzing I see grey objects as they look before they're sculpted. Makes sense that an avatar could fall between them altho I'm still not sure why it happens sometimes but not usually.

Jeanne

[Melita Magic Member]

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JeanneAnne wrote:

Sometimes I'm minding my own business on a sim that appears to be terra firma when suddenly I fall thru the ground & find myself free falling thru space! This has happened to me several times. Once I landed in a Gorean sim & the women there told me that I wasn't supposed to be there without some kinduva meter, and that I'd better leave before the guy who ruled the roost logged in. Another time I landed on what appeared to be a private sandbox or building area. No one was home so I just explored around. My question is:

Are sims that appear to be solid ground (& water) suspended in the sky? Is this common?

Why do I sometimes fall thru them? I've been told that lag causes it but I often experience lag without falling outuv the sim. Is it a lag problem, or something else?

Jeanne

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It sounds like you were ejected, not that you fell through. Or if you did fall through maybe they made the ground phantom, but then they presumably would have also fallen through the ground.

If you land in private places, and don't leave quickly enough, that's what can happen. Or if someone asks you to comply and you ignore them. Just how it is. An orb should give a visitor sixty seconds to leave, to be legit in SL, though. But I often see only 10 seconds. We've all used an old landmark, landed in a private home unwittingly, and been spat out. 

[Bobbie Faulds]

As others have said, it's more than likely you hit a phantom prim that went through the base of the structure. When you stepped on it, there was nothing there and you just kept going. As for large structures/sims in the sky, take a trip to Insilco. I believe it's 3000+ meters up.