02-25-2012 09:14 PM
Yes I hate the new viewer, the old viewer had a search that I understood and could use, the new viewer has a rigged search, so I never use it, also I don't go anywhere now, sl seemed to have committed suicide over it, I am sure a lot are like me and don't move from their home now.
02-25-2012 09:22 PM
Looks pretty flat to me since the outlawing of traffic bots.
I admit that flat is not particularly good but it sure doesn't indicate suicide . Especially with the world economy like it is today.
02-25-2012 09:40 PM
To be honest I have noticed that a lot of your post give a positive view to others negative, so that suggest that you are involved in damage limitation on behalf of the lindens, the best thing about traffic bots was that they showed up on search, I never went to the places on top, I always scrolled down to places with numbers that looked real, now you can't tell so search is useless.
02-25-2012 11:36 PM
Oh yeah, you should see my paycheck I get from LL.
Actually, I get a kick out of blowing holes in people's outrageous posts that, not only are mostly untrue, but entirely unsupportable. Such as your suicide comment. It's outrageous and entirely unsupported. Then the typical (also outrageous and unsupportable) "come back" is exactly your response..........even word for word.
I watch Fox News too.
02-26-2012 02:13 AM
You can download the 1.23 viewer from this repository: http://www.sensic.nl/PrivateMedia/Second_Life_1-23
02-26-2012 04:10 AM - edited 02-26-2012 04:33 AM
When I talk about tasks I don't mean kiddie**bleep** like changing an outfit. In my case you may even add one more mouseclick to that task since I keep my outfits in various subfolders. With tasks I mean communication. Heck, in a VW that's what we do 90% of the time isn't it?
And please excuse me for confusing V2 and V3, I guess V3 with it's modability is far better than V2. Heck, I even gave it a try, with LL viewer and Firestorm (which is a V3). Didn't like it so far. FPS got worse, and despite their best efforts they still carry all the negative parts of V2/V3. I missed lots of important group notices and IMs since they only show in a small box thing on the lower (or was it upper?) right hand side of the screen instead of in the chat flow on my screen, where they belong. A technically better versed friend just had FS running for 3 mths, I thought I'd lost her to the dark side already. A few days ago she told me she's back with Phoenix since the new GUI made her life less comfortable.
I don't know how you are spending your time in SL, bored much? I just don't have the time to look around for messages and notes, I don't have the time to fix a viewer makers GUI by modding it to my taste. V1 generation viewers were pretty much perfect for me. Super layout. They didn't look like websites. The new viewers are confusing. Where's my radar, where are the notecards I was supposed the be getting, why is the friendslist not in communication box where it belongs? Why am I being sent into the internet just for watching some profile? What is a effing folllower? Why should I follow anyone? Or why should they follow me? Will we soon have to click some "Like" boxes? Why had they squeeze my profile pic into square format in the new profile thing?
As I mentioned I just don't have/take the time to test anything in detail. I install always the newest stuff I can get my clumsy fingers on, play with it for give or take 5 - 10 mins, decide it's not for me and switch back to stuff I know. In some cases it''s probably my own incapability to understand and use the new stuff, in other cases it's just necessary. LL V3 fresh out the box gave me the worst FPS ever. I consider anything below 20 FPS catastrophic! I'm not an epileptic but low FPS makes me nervous. Swoosh, baibai! GUI looked promising tho. Anyway, I have stuffz to do and need a viewer that enables me and not one that holds me back or forces me to spend time with it.
Of course in 2007 we had much more crashes than nowadays. I never argued that. What has it to do with viewers?
And I don't consider most of the points you made as functionality. Good FPS, meshes, outfits and less crashes are no functions, they are the core basics in a viewer. Tools are functions. And Phoenix/FS traditionally have much more of those than LL. Also most of the stuff you get with modern LL viewers was first introduced by some or the other TPV. When you come from a long history of using Emerald and other TPV it feels just bad to switch back to LL. Is like visiting a ghetto.
And yes, contrary to my car I don't have to pay for any viewer. I'm rather fond of Mercedes Benz btw. My own one is from 1982 and still drives like a dream. But I guess you wouldn't like it since it's outdated and I can do so much more stuff with the newer models. But that's not the point since all viewers are free, but unfortunately the viewer as made by LL isn't as nice as the various TPVs. As some ppl already mentioned in other places: LL should maybe just stop making viewers and instead hire the Phoenix guys or Kirsten or Niran or Lance or any of the other TPV developers.
Maybe I am not fair, probably wrong with some of my gripes ... but still I am the customer, I have the choice, I chose the best for what I need. And that I just don't get from LL. On my desktop you find 4 currently installed viewers: Phoenix 184.108.40.2060, Firestorm 220.127.116.1180, LL 18.104.22.168510 and the InWorldz viewer (LOL). I play around with LL and FS quite often but when I really need to do stuffz and not fussing around I always fall back onto Phoenix.
And, Peggy, I'm 100% woman and around this planet since quite a while, thank you very much.
02-26-2012 07:47 AM
I'm with Peggy and Miranda on this one. In my opinion the latest SL3 is probably the best viewer LL has come up with in recent year. I am not sure why people keep saying that the interface is hard to use and everything needs more clicks when this is really just not true, the problem is that people get on with the viewer with a closed mind predetermined to just hate the viewer. I will admit that I do hate search (but I can live with it), I also hate the people search for inviting people to a group and also land management.
I don't use LL's official viewer even if it gives me the best FPS than any other viewer simply because I am in love with Exodus which has the smaller toolbar buttons, however I have not touched a V1 viewer in months and I honestly don't miss it.
sudo: cmake: unable to execute command you're already awesome
02-26-2012 08:54 AM
Hello again, DeDe
How are you today?
Did you try any of the recommendations in this thread yet, ie Phoenix.
The beautiful thing about Second Life - currently - is that we are not all stuck with the one choice of Viewer. There may come a time when we will all have to go onto Viewer 3, BUT I believe that will not be until LL have utilised the ability of the developers of the third party viewers to the maximum.
When Viewer 2 first came out, it was horrible, worse than it is now, and as someone else has correctly pointed out in this thread, Firestorm is close to Viewer 3, but there is a lot more you can do with it, to have all the good features of Viewer 3, along with user-friendliness of Viewer 1.23.
We all reach points in our lives (Second and real), where there is a catalyst that makes us want to say "Aaaaargh!!!" and walk away. You are obviously there with your Second Life. Please, if you haven't done so already, have a go with Phoenix. Make the most of it while we have it, I sure am.
@ Orca and Peggy, I can see your points, all your points, but for gawd's sake you both just look like kids in a schoolyard, and it's not at all helpful to the OP, who is already feeling like quitting SL - don't be the final nail in their coffin lid.
02-26-2012 09:04 AM
I bet you do, but blowing holes is a huge exaggeration don't you think? I can't see a single hole.
02-26-2012 10:28 AM - edited 02-26-2012 10:30 AM
All newer viewers supporting mesh are very laggy and super buggy. There are no exceptions. Mesh has compromized speed hard.
Therefore 1.23.5 Is the most stable viewer and i still use it, along with Phoenix viewer 1.5.2 (1185) which is 1 based although on Snowglobe. But the latter is very close to 1.23.5 and its performance plus stability, plus it has the latest options except mesh.
Since 1.23.5 is no longer available for download, what i did was upload it to our rl business server to preserve it for anyone wanting to download it. Although i did learn a bit in SL i am absolutely no computer expert but what i do understand is that 1.23.5 is still far the best viewer ever. Phoenix viewer 1.5.2 (1185) is a perfect alternative for using the latest options.
It is the original 1.23.5 of course, but should anyone have thougts ( i can understand because trust in SL difficult), then 1.5.2 from the Phoenix team is great too.
Mind that the 1600 Phoenix build looks like V1 is mesh enabled but super buggy. 1.5.2 (1185) is smooth, stable and fast mesh not enabled.