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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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Belldandy Schmajuk wrote:

Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

the OP stated that JCNY only had a freebie on the front page  (I'm assuming the 10L item is what she calls a freebie) and all of their other best selling items were getting pushed down the list due to the other freebies.. as i stated many times, perhaps the freebies are selling better than the higher priced items since a lot of people have less money to spend in SL.


Yes to the first statement, and no to the rest... I stated quite clearly in my last post that the freebies did not get their new position "due to hard work and steady sales", not at all. This was the result of a sudden change in the algorithm done by the commerce team in a single day (or whoever pulls the cables).

If you have searched for rings in the past, you should know, these stores (JCNY, Earthstones, etc.) had several high priced items in the first positions (1-6) now, nothing appears, just a freebie now and then.


I guess I'm just wondering how do you know this. Did LL share with you all of their sales data so that you can make the statement that it can't possibly due to those freebies having just sold more than their higher priced competition? I guess I'm just not understanding how you are privy to knowledge of the sales volume of all of your competition and to those freebies being sold. If this was the case wouldn't it also be the case for all search terms that could possibly have freebies within them? Although it does make me want to go throw some freebies up there to see if it helps myself out.

it is possible this could truly be happening but without knowing the actual sales numbers of all of those items sold, we have no way of knowing for sure, except to assume freebies are selling really well right now.

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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:
How do you know? Where is your proof that LL "suddenly changed the algorithm"? How do you know the free items aren't selling better? 

Okey honey, I am not interested in a mindless discussion, I think I answered this question earlier in the thread.

Let me be a bit agressive towards you, and forgive me for that, I´m not that kind of person: I think you do not understand the issue because you are not a merchant period. or at least.. a "relevant" merchant, no disrespect intended. What I mean is, you have not been affected at all by the problem and you only know about it because you read my original post, and hence, this day looks like any other shopping day for you.

Rewriting this idea: from the perspective of a consumer or from the perspective of a store with little to near zero sales (near zero relevance as well), marketplace really looks like any other normal day, and I should agree with you: freebies outsell many many shops, these shops do not have enought sales to outpace the most relevant freebies, but like anything in the world, this is not enterely true... freebies really have a hard time trying to outsell most relevant shops.

How do I know LL changed something from one day to another? its simply, when you notice a sudden sales drop, you start looking for problems, delistings, issues with the magic box (in the past), problems with the mainstore (SIM isues etc.)... etc. in this particular scenario, a change in the algorithm LL uses to sort results seemed to be the problem after careful examination on how MP looked that day. 

example: oh my gosh! my item dissapeared from the first page relevance/best selling! and.. what the heck? what are these freebies doing around? never saw them before! and so many!! <--- merchant severely confused.

This kind of perspective is the result of years of experience dealing with MP trying to survive and making a living from SL. And this constant check and care for your business gives you a deep and daily insight on how MP really looks normally on its best days (most of the time) and how MP looks like when LL decides to go nuts.

pd: read the whole thread, I think I mentioned somewhere that LL tacitly acknowledged the changes in MP in the reply I got from my ticket. (if you are still needing a proof written in stone).

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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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Belldandy Schmajuk wrote:

Drake1 Nightfire wrote:
How do you know? Where is your proof that LL "suddenly changed the algorithm"? How do you know the free items aren't selling better? 

Okey honey, I am not interested in a mindless discussion, I think I answered this question earlier in the thread.

Let me be a bit agressive towards you, and forgive me for that, I´m not that kind of person: I think you do not understand the issue because you are not a merchant period. or at least.. a "relevant" merchant, no disrespect intended. What I mean is, you have not been affected at all by the problem and you only know about it because you read my original post, and hence, this day looks like any other shopping day for you.

Rewriting this idea: from the perspective of a consumer or from the perspective of a store with little to near zero sales (near zero relevance as well), marketplace really looks like any other normal day, and I should agree with you: freebies outsell many many shops, these shops do not have enought sales to outpace the most relevant freebies, but like anything in the world, this is not enterely true... freebies really have a hard time trying to outsell most relevant shops.

How do I know LL changed something from one day to another? its simply, when you notice a sudden sales drop, you start looking for problems, delistings, issues with the magic box (in the past), problems with the mainstore (SIM isues etc.)... etc. in this particular scenario, a change in the algorithm LL uses to sort results seemed to be the problem after careful examination on how MP looked that day. 

example: oh my gosh! my item dissapeared from the first page relevance/best selling! and.. what the heck? what are these freebies doing around? never saw them before! and so many!! <--- merchant severely confused.

This kind of perspective is the result of years of experience dealing with MP trying to survive and making a living from SL. And this constant check and care for your business gives you a deep and daily insight on how MP really looks normally on its best days (most of the time) and how MP looks like when LL decides to go nuts.

pd: read the whole thread, I think I mentioned somewhere that LL tacitly acknowledged the changes in MP in the reply I got from my ticket. (if you are still needing a proof written in stone).


You take much liberty with the facts & blend them with your own opinions.  which I should add, doing this doesn't make them true.

... freebies outsell many many shops, these shops do not have enought sales to outpace the most relevant freebies, but like anything in the world, this is not enterely true... freebies really have a hard time trying to outsell most relevant shops.

Like this statement which is entirely false. 

Most of what you say is based on your own experience, not everyone else's.  Then again, the one thing I have discovered in sl is that 'projection' seems to be rampant.  ie, it's happening to me so it must be happening to everyone else.

And as for your self important attitude, who are you?  I've been in sl a very long time, I shop everyday, am always buying something.  I look for quality mostly and there are some awesome creators out there.  But, I've never seen you or any of your products until this thread. 

I've seen threads like these come and go with regards to LL 'doing something' to manipulate 'something'.  99% of the time there is nothing too it & it's just another slow day or week on the MP.

And btw, who is 'honey'?  Just because you have what you think is a successful business in SL, doesn't give you a license to condescend to others.  Also, I can see why you mention 'bad costumers' in your profile which is at the top of your Rules list.  Your attitude sucks.  No offense.

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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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Belldandy Schmajuk wrote:

Drake1 Nightfire wrote:
How do you know? Where is your proof that LL "suddenly changed the algorithm"? How do you know the free items aren't selling better? 

Okey honey, I am not interested in a mindless discussion, I think I answered this question earlier in the thread.

Let me be a bit agressive towards you, and forgive me for that, I´m not that kind of person: I think you do not understand the issue because you are not a merchant period. or at least.. a "relevant" merchant, no disrespect intended. What I mean is, you have not been affected at all by the problem and you only know about it because you read my original post, and hence, this day looks like any other shopping day for you.

Rewriting this idea: from the perspective of a consumer or from the perspective of a store with little to near zero sales (near zero relevance as well), marketplace really looks like any other normal day, and I should agree with you: freebies outsell many many shops, these shops do not have enought sales to outpace the most relevant freebies, but like anything in the world, this is not enterely true... freebies really have a hard time trying to outsell most relevant shops.

How do I know LL changed something from one day to another? its simply, when you notice a sudden sales drop, you start looking for problems, delistings, issues with the magic box (in the past), problems with the mainstore (SIM isues etc.)... etc. in this particular scenario, a change in the algorithm LL uses to sort results seemed to be the problem after careful examination on how MP looked that day. 

example: oh my gosh! my item dissapeared from the first page relevance/best selling! and.. what the heck? what are these freebies doing around? never saw them before! and so many!! <--- merchant severely confused.

This kind of perspective is the result of years of experience dealing with MP trying to survive and making a living from SL. And this constant check and care for your business gives you a deep and daily insight on how MP really looks normally on its best days (most of the time) and how MP looks like when LL decides to go nuts.

pd: read the whole thread, I think I mentioned somewhere that LL tacitly acknowledged the changes in MP in the reply I got from my ticket. (if you are still needing a proof written in stone).


Personally, i think you are a paranoid, nasty, condescending *****. No disrespect intended.  What gives you or anyone the right to say who is a "relevant merchant?"  Honestly, i hope everyone reads this thread and sees how nasty and self centered you show yourself to be.

I did read the whole thread. you mention some ticket to LL and their vague reply. With all of the ways to sort how we search the MP you seem awfully stuck on this one. As i said before, if you don't want to see freebies all you have to do is insert a minimum price and refine the search.

I have been in SL for over 7 years, so i know how the MP works. This happens every so often and then goes away. If you really have been "dealing with MP trying to survive and making a living from SL" for years , you would know this and understand its "normal" for the MP to bork out after major code changes.

 

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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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Belldandy Schmajuk wrote:

Drake1 Nightfire wrote:
How do you know? Where is your proof that LL "suddenly changed the algorithm"? How do you know the free items aren't selling better? 

Okey honey, I am not interested in a mindless discussion, I think I answered this question earlier in the thread.

Let me be a bit agressive towards you, and forgive me for that, I´m not that kind of person: I think you do not understand the issue because you are not a merchant period. or at least.. a "relevant" merchant, no disrespect intended. What I mean is, you have not been affected at all by the problem and you only know about it because you read my original post, and hence, this day looks like any other shopping day for you.

Rewriting this idea: from the perspective of a consumer or from the perspective of a store with little to near zero sales (near zero relevance as well), marketplace really looks like any other normal day, and I should agree with you: freebies outsell many many shops, these shops do not have enought sales to outpace the most relevant freebies, but like anything in the world, this is not enterely true... freebies really have a hard time trying to outsell most relevant shops.

How do I know LL changed something from one day to another? its simply, when you notice a sudden sales drop, you start looking for problems, delistings, issues with the magic box (in the past), problems with the mainstore (SIM isues etc.)... etc. in this particular scenario, a change in the algorithm LL uses to sort results seemed to be the problem after careful examination on how MP looked that day. 

example: oh my gosh! my item dissapeared from the first page relevance/best selling! and.. what the heck? what are these freebies doing around? never saw them before! and so many!! <--- merchant severely confused.

This kind of perspective is the result of years of experience dealing with MP trying to survive and making a living from SL. And this constant check and care for your business gives you a deep and daily insight on how MP really looks normally on its best days (most of the time) and how MP looks like when LL decides to go nuts.

pd: read the whole thread, I think I mentioned somewhere that LL tacitly acknowledged the changes in MP in the reply I got from my ticket. (if you are still needing a proof written in stone).


No of offence "honey" but this entire discussion would remain pretty mindless if all we did was simply believe something just because you said so. You are also a very condescending person and highly rude to others who are just looking or some facts that can backup what you claim is happening. Most of us merchants are smart enough to not believe someone blindly without proof other than because they said so. And because there are apparently "relevant" merchants as well as merchants who haven't been affected, again, means its not an issue across the board. And I'm not even saying what you think is happening, isn't happening. I think what people are trying to get across is that you are coming onto a forum, that honestly you aren't even an active poster on which means people here may not even know who you are so again not a person we would just blindly trust and youre stating "facts" that aren't really facts, they are your best guesses and determinations. What you might try instead of being condescending to those who disagree is simply to say these are what I think is happening instead of saying you know for a fact because unless you can see sales data...you have no way to backup that claim.

again I'm not disagreeing this isn't happening, just giving some thoughts on why people are having issue or at least questioning why it's happening.

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Re: Ongoing issue: flood of freebies on all marketplace search results

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I do not want to get into this disagreement , I only want to state what i do know.

Each day faithfully at about 3am SLT I do a search to check which pages my items are on. Generally I see the same type of results each day. When I woke up Friday morning i was shocked to see myself, as well as my other fellow merchants, pushed off the front pages, pages that were suddenly filled with 0-10L items. I have been doing this search faithfully each morning for a very very long time. It is easy for me to see when something has changed and this was a drastic and very easy to see change. Also, along with the search result change my sales plumeted. 

 Addition to this post:

Also, in addition to my own products, I am also a consumer and shop and buy often on marketplace. I am used to the results I get for things such as women's clothing, jewelry, necklaces, bracelets, shoes, boots, the list goes on. After seeing the change in the search results for my product categories i searched all the other areas i usually search for and again...they were flooded with 1-10L items where normally I would see the top designers that I love to buy from so much.

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Belldandy Schmajuk wrote:

example: oh my gosh! my item dissapeared from the first page relevance/best selling! and.. what the heck? what are these freebies doing around? never saw them before! and so many!! <--- merchant severely confused.

 


This is exactly what also happened  with my products (from one day to another). Listing filters have radically  changed since few days ago. PERIOD

 

 

 

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hmmmm well, in your case, that would be my fault.  I've not bought any of your shoes this week & I'm your #1 biggest customer :smileytongue:

 

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fwiw, my sales started again late yesterday but I noticed that they didn't update relevance for my homepage this morning. 

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Lol...thanks Rival :matte-motes-bashful-cute-2: