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Been offered a job as an estate manager for 2 (soon to be 3) sims.  Most everything is automated for tenants.  Just have to deal with tenants if something is not working or they have a question.  Sim owner asked me how much did I want to get paid.  I have no idea what an estate manager gets paid in SL.  Anybody got suggestions?

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Czari Zenovka wrote:

I know an estate manager who gets a very large parcel on the estate rent-free with no prim limit except to "keep it reasonable."

Managers for a dance club (where I used to work) were also provided rent-free parcels in the sky on the estate...again with no set prim limit.

 

I would LOVE a no set prim limit! lol. What I could do with that *grins*

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If it's a major money maker maybe people pay 3000L per week. I think a far more common salary in SL is something like 25L an hour. Some places only pay in tips.

OP I would say it depends what the place takes in and how much time and energy  you have to devote to the work. If the work is occasional, maybe it would be more fair to the owner if you are paid per task or per hour as needed. But if you are on call of course, you should be paid during those hours, too.

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Melita Magic wrote:

If it's a major money maker maybe people pay 3000L per week. I think a far more common salary in SL is something like 25L an hour. Some places only pay in tips.

 

No way. Not for a manager....at least if its really a manager position and not just called that way to sound good. I'm more familiar with the SL clubscene, but if they search for a manager there, than they over payment. Last time I read such an add the payment was around 1500 to 2000L.

Jobs who only work with tips have either not much work to do or it is a position where it is more common that people give tips (like DJ, Host, Dancer and so on). But I could also tell you about a few of these jobs that had also payment (which was much higher than 25L for an hour).

 

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But the OP isn't talking about a club, but working for someone who owns land. The OP will talk to tenants and explain the rules, deal with problems, etc. The description is a bit vague. That could mean anything from a 40 hour week running multiple sims, to sending a few note cards a week to newcomer tenants, on a few small parcels or one sim.

It isn't a club, it's a rental situation. And most jobs I've seen talked about in the forums, including 'middle management' as this sounds, pay 25L an hour or 30L an hour. But again, the OP's description is too vague to have any idea of the level of responsibility.

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Just because English is not my native language I can read and understand it pretty well.

I know that the OP is not talking about clubs, but because the question was quite general about managementpositions I added my knowledge about the wages other managers get. Even if its another sector, the tasks may be the equal and if the OP just wants to be a manager or is looking for a certain wage...maybe that information is just right.

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Heart Brimmer wrote:


Czari Zenovka wrote:

I know an estate manager who gets a very large parcel on the estate rent-free with no prim limit except to "keep it reasonable."

Managers for a dance club (where I used to work) were also provided rent-free parcels in the sky on the estate...again with no set prim limit.

 

I would LOVE a no set prim limit! lol. What I could do with that *grins*

You and me both!!!  The person to whom I was referring has an AWESOME place.  It is probably one of THE most detailed homes I've ever seen...I mean to the minute detail.  Great outdoors as well including a sailboat.

 

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try to get a deal on a "free" land to start with

then work really hard to bring people you like to come live on the sim with you. can make a friends community. land barons love people who can do that

can end up being a estate manager that way. even sub-lease a whole bunch of sims off the head baron eventually and make heaps of money for yourself

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Syo Emerald wrote:

Just because English is not my native language I can read and understand it pretty well.

I know that the OP is not talking about clubs, but because the question was quite general about managementpositions I added my knowledge about the wages other managers get. Even if its another sector, the tasks may be the equal and if the OP just wants to be a manager or is looking for a certain wage...maybe that information is just right.

I did not know English is not your first language. I also said nothing about you personally. I never said you can't read, or can't understand English, or anything personal of any sort.

The reason I said they were not talking about clubs is because I was being disagreed with as if running a very popular club (Like "Sweethearts Jazz") is the same as answering questions for new tenants. (If the OP was talking about what I thought they were; which is why I asked for more details. If they are on call a few hours a week in case of problems, that is in no way, IMO, deserving of 3000L a week.) Clubs in SL are much more time and labor intensive in general (than most other enterprises except busy shops), and depending on the club can bring in enough money to justify paying someone 2000-3000L a week. It's about like having a full time real life job, from home, in some cases. And most clubs want customers nearly 24/7. Many have come to rely on bots for that reason.

Most clubs in SL are empty, but those that are popular, generally do pay dancers in tips as we both said; DJs usually get a flat fee plus tips (of course, it varies by owner); some aspects of it are lucrative for workers, some are not. Some people make basically nothing, if patrons don't tip or are 'tipped out' i.e. clubs constantly tell patrons to tip everyone in the joint (so management doesn't have to pay them?) and patrons get sick of it, and broke. 

My point was it isn't pertinent here, because it's a whole other thing. The only thing comparable, in the land world, would be if someone was running a large, busy place, which is why I asked the OP for more details.

I didn't want the OP to get the impression that every land management job, or even most jobs in SL will pay anything close to 3000L a week, the same as someone who is in complete charge of running a huge busy moneymaker in SL might make. Most jobs in SL pay in tips or pay very low wages. (And where was everyone recommending the 3000L jobs as normal in SL, when people continually begin forum threads saying "where can I work" or "how much can I earn in SL?" All I have seen in the past, is people saying things like "there are no jobs" or "most jobs pay tips or 25L an hour" which...is suddenly controversial I guess.)

We can disagree, doesn't mean you were under attack.

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its pretty much on call to help tenants with any problems ... do not have to do any marketing... 99% of houses are in sky boxes completely furnished... and no... furniture cannot be taken out so they can do their own thing.... everything is on a temp rezzer..

and i personally do not need a house or land... i have a business in SL .... thats where i  spend 90% of my time online...

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namssab1nad Piers wrote:

its pretty much on call to help tenants with any problems ... do not have to do any marketing... 99% of houses are in sky boxes completely furnished... and no... furniture cannot be taken out so they can do their own thing.... everything is on a temp rezzer..

and i personally do not need a house or land... i have a business in SL .... thats where i  spend 90% of my time online...

I would pay you 50L an hour for something like that. Slightly more than normal because sometimes, rental situations do get crazy, and you could be called upon for different levels of responsibility or intensity. But ask for your dream wage and see what they say, they can only say no.

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Your numbers are so far off they actually make you sound like a slave trader. Telling someone that a wage $0.50 per hour is better than average is only making the current job economy worse. Such wages are NOT the norm. People might search for employees at such a rate but the job position won't actually get filled in most cases. Would you work for 50 cents an hour? No? Why would anyone else?

Better yet, why would someone work for 50L per hour when you can make SO much more in an hour as a stripper? Host? Sales Agent? DJ? Model? Photographer? Creator?

Why would a manager get such a laughable wage compared to their employees? It simply doesn't make sense from a more realistic view point.

It's such a pet peeve of mine that employers go out of their way to practically treat hiring someone the same as in RL with resumes, application forms, the skills needed for the job must be up to par...yet when it comes to wages they're abolustely ridiculous and nowhere near RL. Double standards ftw.

 

World English Dictionary
slavery  (ˈsleɪvərɪ)
 
n
1. the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work
3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit
4. work done in harsh conditions for low pay
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I completely agree with you on this. With the exception of the time when I was dancing I have consistently made at least 200L an hour hosting and 3000L when I was a manager. I know that "I" would NEVER work for 50L an hour, it's laughable and insulting to think that anyone would work for those wages.

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And it's my pet peeve when people throw around ad hominem insults instead of logic. Guess we're both peeved, now.


iCade wrote:

Your numbers are so far off they actually make you sound like a slave trader. Telling someone that a wage $0.50 per hour is better than average is only making the current job economy worse. Such wages are NOT the norm. People might search for employees at such a rate but the job position won't actually get filled in most cases.
Would you work for 50 cents an hour? No? Why would anyone else?

Better yet, why would someone work for 50L per hour when you can make SO much more in an hour as a stripper? Host? Sales Agent? DJ? Model? Photographer? Creator?

Why would a manager get such a laughable wage compared to their employees? It simply doesn't make sense from a more realistic view point.

It's such a pet peeve of mine that employers go out of their way to practically treat hiring someone the same as in RL with resumes, application forms, the skills needed for the job must be up to par...yet when it comes to wages they're abolustely ridiculous and nowhere near RL. Double standards ftw.

 
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slavery
 
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n
1.
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state
or
condition
of
being
a
slave;
a
civil
relationship
whereby
one
person
has
absolute
power
over
another
and
controls
his
life,
liberty,
and
fortune
2.
the
subjection
of
a
person
to
another
person,
esp
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being
forced
into
work
3.
the
condition
of
being
subject
to
some
influence
or
habit
4.
work
done
in
harsh
conditions
for
low
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Heart Brimmer wrote:

I completely agree with you on this. With the exception of the time when I was dancing I have consistently made at least 200L an hour hosting and 3000L when I was a manager. I know that "I" would NEVER work for 50L an hour, it's laughable and insulting to think that anyone would work for those wages.

Well people do work for that and less in Second Life, as well as working for free or just for tips. Most of the note cards I took back when I started and was looking for work offered 25L/hour. That was still true recently, from what others tell me. The OP is 'on call' (meaning, available, but can do what they want unless needed) for X hours a week, and said, they mostly will send out note cards and answer questions - no one said anything about demanding their RL resume, or chaining them to a sewing machine (iCade are you joking, with definition #4?)

That's the reality. I didn't create it. It's a micro economy. Sorry if reality has harshed your mellow.

Also it's a little strange that you would be so angry at 50L an hour, but are okay with 200L an hour, which is still less than a dollar an hour. But it's even stranger to me that you would "completely agree" with someone who just called me a slave trader, for giving an accurate accounting of what I've seen offered for work in SL, (including in clubs), and on these forums, which I've been in about as long as I've been in SL. You are both playing kill the messenger. 

I think it's "laughable and insulting" that you would both get so heated (and personal) over something like a difference in opinion. You are basing your SL view on what you have experienced, or observed, and so am I. But you know what, it's just another day on the internet. 

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Melita Magic wrote:


Heart Brimmer wrote:

I completely agree with you on this. With the exception of the time when I was dancing I have consistently made at least 200L an hour hosting and 3000L when I was a manager. I know that "I" would NEVER work for 50L an hour, it's laughable and insulting to think that anyone would work for those wages.

Well people do work for that and less in Second Life, as well as working for free or just for tips. Most of the note cards I took back when I started and was looking for work offered 25L/hour. That was still true recently, from what others tell me. The OP is 'on call' (meaning, available, but can do what they want unless needed) for X hours a week, and said, they mostly will send out note cards and answer questions - no one said
anything
about demanding their RL resume, or chaining them to a sewing machine.

That's the reality. I didn't create it. It's a micro economy. Sorry if reality has harshed your mellow.

Also it's a little strange that you would be so angry at 50L an hour, but are okay with 200L an hour, which is still less than a dollar an hour. But it's even stranger to me that you would "completely agree" with someone who just called me a slave trader, for giving an accurate accounting of what
I've seen offered
for work in SL, (including in clubs), and on these forums, which I've been in about as long as I've been in SL. You are both playing kill the messenger. 

I think it's "laughable and insulting" that you would both get so heated (and personal) over something like a difference in opinion. You are basing your SL view on what you have experienced, or observed, and so am I. But you know what, it's just another day on the internet. 

I was agreeing with the fact that the wage you quoted was so low, NOT the slave trader, and perhaps I didn't make that clear and I'm not angry nor am I heated. I have worked for tips only and walked away with some good lindens. I am also aware that 200L is NOT the average of a RL wage but compared to 50L an hour 200L is a much better deal. Kudos to you for experiencing a LOW paying SL job, and if you are fine with that, that's wonderful, but I would NEVER work for you for those kind of wages NOR would I pay any of my employees that type of wage, and yes I HAVE owned 2 clubs in the course of my 5 years here in SL and NEVER did I pay them less then 200L  plus tips which they kept 100% of. Most places that pay you can and will take a percentage of the tips you back to offset what they pay you. YOU run YOUR business as YOU see fit and I will do the same with mine. Wrong or right, it's all in how a person perceives what another person's work is worth.

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I would never hire you either so you don't have to worry.

If you don't completely agree with a person's post, then don't use the word "completely."

I never said I took those jobs.

I don't run a mall or club or anything for profit in SL and never did. I paid for anything out of my own pocket. 

I never said not to pay people what  you want and never told you how to run your business.

For someone who "isn't angry," you are sure in a high dudgeon. You could state your opinion just as well without aiming it directly at me. And not for nothing, without presuming everything.

And by the way...the OP is being paid to be 'on call' i.e. can flit around SL shopping if they want to, until or unless needed to answer a tenant's questions, most of which are probably contained in a note card. Yes I would pay 50L an hour for someone to basically play Second Life and send out note cards, with the occasional 'emergency' tenant situation, but again, I kept saying, there really was not enough to go on, from their description.

I feel like this thread tripped into Bizarro World. That or people are just grandstanding about how great they are? I don't know. You pay people less than a dollar an hour and let them keep probably a bit more than that in tips. You are still paying way below minimum wage, so pot, kettle, stop already.

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My first year in SL I worked as a dancer for a while.  I was Club Siren's (R.I.P.) first and last male dancer.  I guess they broke the mold after me.  It was a mixed gender club, leaning toward PG in content.

It did cause a little bit of drama with some of the other Female dancers when I made more tips than them.  It was actually my idea at the time..I approached the Club Mgr about it.  It was just something I thought would be fun to do.  I never expected to be making all the tips that I did during that brief stint.

After that position I was asked to work a weekly Formal event.  The idea was to have someone available to dance with any unescorted ladies who showed up.  They did not know that I was being paid to dance with them.  That job only paid 300L for 2 hours and I had told the Club Owner I would only do it as long as it remained fun for me.  That job didn't last long.  I was supposed to remain the perfect gentleman.  That is, I was not supposed to 'hook up' with any of the Ladies I danced with.  So I wound up resigning that position.
 It just wasn't worth it for 300L for two hours work.  At that time, a nice Tuxedo cost 750 to 1000L. 


Recently I was glancing  at the Employment section of the Forum.  A comment in the all posts' page caught my eye.  I normally don't browse that.  But I saw an a help wanted ad with this:

Knowledge of MS Word
Knowledge of MS Excel
E-mail Communication Access
Mobile Access to E-mail
Group Notices
Excellent Communication Skills
Excellent Organizational Skills
Enthusiastic Attitude
Team building and management
Ability to complete tasks without supervision

Other helpful skills

Knowledge of Wordpress
Knowledge of Photoshop
Knowledge of Google Drive

Benefits
Salary: Commensurate with experience and time allocation but ranges between L$600 - L$1,000 weekly.


This job called for 1 to 5  hours a week.  With that skill set!!!!!

This I really don't fathom.

 

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Perrie Juran wrote:

 

After that position I was asked to work a weekly Formal event.  The idea was to have someone available to dance with any unescorted ladies who showed up.  They did not know that I was being paid to dance with them.  That job only paid 300L for 2 hours and I had told the Club Owner I would only do it as long as it remained fun for me.  That job didn't last long.  I was supposed to remain the perfect gentleman.  That is, I was not supposed to 'hook up' with any of the Ladies I danced with.  So I wound up resigning that position.

 It just wasn't worth it for 300L for two hours work.  At that time, a nice Tuxedo cost 750 to 1000L. 

 

We all have our past employment stories it seems.  In 2007 my first SL job was as a Cigar Girl for an amazing 1940's vintage dance club.  The entire sim was an amazingly realistic build of a Polynesian island during WWII.  The club had a large dedicated group of regulars who became a "family" of sorts as well as many new patrons/night.  All the employees and the majority of regulars dressed for the era.  Great fun.

This club hired Managers, Cigar Girls, and Bartenders.  The Managers were not paid a salary but were given free "air space" on the sim to place a home with no prim limit other than to stay "reasonable."  One of the duties of the managers (one male and one female were on duty each night) was to dance with any unescorted patrons.  This generally meant the male managers asking unescorted ladies to dance since most men either brought a date or were barflies who didn't care to dance.  The male managers had quite a following of admirers.  I have never seen this done at any other club and thought it was a stroke of genious since most clubs have many women standing around; thus it is interesting to see that the club you worked for hired you for this purpose, although only for formal nights and, if I read what you wrote accurately, this was your sole job during for those nights.  Dancing with unescorted patrons was just one of the duties of the managers at the club I worked for; they also welcomed new arrivals, kept the conversation in general chat lively, kept an eye out for griefers or security issues, etc.

As a Cigar Girl, I worked my derierre off.  I earned 300L/night (3 hour shift) plus tips; however, our club never spammed to tip everyone under the sun, in fact,  in the 5 months or so I worked there I think the club owner mentioned something to the effect of "If our Cigar Girls and Bartenders have served you well, please remember them" maybe a handful of times.  Managers were never tipped.

My job consisted of walking around the club a la the cigarette girls in the 1940's cantinas and 1950's upscale clubs, talking to patrons, asking if they would like a cigar or drink; if they ordered a drink, I kept an inventory of "drinks" to serve to them.  Some of the regulars thought it was amusing to order some little-known, exotic drink.  I would research these and be sure and have it on hand the next time I was asked.  I had to keep a sharp eye on a very active general chat to make sure I didn't miss anyone who asked for something in general as well as fielding requests in IM.  I was to also help keep conversation going in general chat. 

You didn't feel it was "worth it" to make 300L for 2 hours; I was pleased with 300L for 3 hours.  I loved the job, I loved the environement, many of the employees and patrons became SL friends, not to mention I met my partner of three years there.  My tips were minimal, probably because of the lack of spamming and honestly, back then, I didn't know tipping was "the norm" for clubs or even to tip instructors when I took classes and, having worked as a a SL instructor, I made FAR more doing that, but then, the skill set was higher - at least for the school for which I worked. 

After a few months at the club I was asked to take over the scheduling of employees.  That turned into a nightmare when people began wanting to switch nights so they could be with their bf/gf, etc.  Sometimes I filled in when someone couldn't work.  I was paid an extra 150L/week for doing all this.

My points are:

1.  Different people are going to view payment in SL differently. 

2.  The duties involved in working in a club are vastly different and much more fast-paced than the type of duties the OP stated would be expected of her.

3.  I can ASSURE everyone that Melita is the LAST person to be a proponent of "slave labor" considering the contribution she has made to SL, provided with her own funds; a contribution some people ruined for many others when they blatantly ignored simple rules (such as prostitutes using Melita's land for their own *ahem* "business) or had an entitlement attitude.

The respondents who really can best answer the OPs question is someone like Amethyst who has knowledge of SL land rentals.  The rest of us are speculating using our own "frames of reference."

 

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