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Penny Patton wrote:

A lot of us early on in SL's life discovered ...

 


Speaking of which -- so long as I don't have to deal with giant p_nis* avatars roaming the landscape (again), this really doesn't cause me any concern... That said, I'm glad I missed or blocked out this panic over age-play as I wouldn't have been terribly sympathetic.

Unfortunately LL will always have to have a strict policy for anything too sensational lest they be subject to a media frenzy or a local prosecutor/politician seeking to make a name for themselves. And of course age-play falls in the saddlebag of one of the Four Horseman of the Infocalypse -- Terrorists, Pedophiles, Money Launderers and Drug Dealers.

So look at it this way - it's a benefit of SLs decline in the hype cycle that everybody outside who would've been sensationalizing things like this are instead screaming about Facebook and US Rep. Weiner's frame-up via YFrog!

 

* Case in point -- the word filter for these forums will block the anatomic term for the male member. Pretty much unavoidable since this is a commercial service/product and not a private forum...

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Melita, I'm not in a position to ban anyone as I don't have land. In theory I could report. In practice, I'd spend a good part of my time in SL typing out reports as I'm seeing them more and more. Do I want to spend my SL time volunterr policing? Not really. Plus, the whole point of this thread was my admission that they're borderline - HIGHLY ambiguous balancing act between adult and child avatar. If I was talking about pure child avies in sex sims rather than waste time discussing it here, I'd just make a report. It's because it's not quite clear - and whatever it is I see - it's on the increase. But scanning through the replies, I see I'm the only one who seems to note the phenomenon.


As Cabbage said, people will try and push the boundaries. I've also noticed and noted this ever-growing popularity for "legal teen" looking avatars all over the place. In one club I visited last week, there were 7, looked like they had been cloned from one brain cell, similar hairstyle in "cute" schoolgirl style of being tied, and way shorter than the SL average avatar. And while I'm on the subject of "to scale". I get so annoyed with people who complain about amazonian avatars. Amazonian size IS the scale in SL. Just like Barbie is the scale she is, she fits her car, she fits her house, etc. Buildings are taller in SL, avatars are to their own scale.

And so, the "legal teen" brigade make themselves as small and as child-looking as possible, and shoot me down, the pedophiles get their jollies then go out into real world and fantasise about doing it with the real teens. Maybe. But I'm an old fuddy duddy, well past the "ooooo can you see my panties" stage, so it will repulse me. I saw Taylor Swift today in a video looking like the "legal teen" brigade, of course it's made to tease and please, although if they could see the drooling dirty unattractive slobs that get turned on by this, they might think twice about doing it.

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Re: Lolitas. A sneaky attempt to by-pass age-play ban?

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So, OP is saying that by RPing a slutty 19 year old, I'm breaking some kind of moral code? My avatar is around 5'10" - 5'-11" with A cup breasts and a very petite figure. I look TINY next to the horribly over-scaled 10 foot avatars in second life. I find this terribly insulting, you're basically calling me, and all other like minded girls in SL, pedos. I don't log onto second life to play a middle aged woman. I play my avatar for her youth, her LEGAL youth. I'm very sorry that this offends you, actually I'm not that sorry, considering the attitude you came to this forum with.

I think the OP has violated the ToS with her ranting, finger-pointing post more so than anyone that choses to RP a youthful avatar. Have you ever stopped for one moment to think that the reason people act insulted when you pull the child card on them, is because they ARE insulted. No matter what, there will always be ill-minded people in second life, do NOT punish the rest of us for the actions of others.

 

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I get so annoyed with people who complain about amazonian avatars. Amazonian size IS the scale in SL. Just like Barbie is the scale she is, she fits her car, she fits her house, etc. Buildings are taller in SL, avatars are to their own scale.


Whereas I get annoyed that people are in denial that a meter is a meter.  If things were supposed to be out of scale, they should have been called Slilimeters, or something.  (=_=)

Barbie... Wonderful example.  A totally exaggerated male fantasy ideal.  Some people are short and fat, you know?  Not everybody likes how Barbie looks. (=_=)

You'd bump your head on my to-scale doors.  (^_^)

But, if you like being 7'10", more power to ya'... Just realize that you really are 7'10" and that's not "normal". (^_^)

In fact, I'd go as far as arguing that overtall avatars are the perverted party.  While most of the concious grid create themselves in believable scale, the tall mob keep themselves up in their lofty 'superior' form.  Now, given the context at hand, which is more disturbing?  The person small enough to be the victim?  Or the person big enough to be the agressor?  Plain Jane nobody?  Or big bad Father Feelemep? (=_=)

 

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Carole Franizzi wrote:

Melita, I'm not in a position to ban anyone as I don't have land. In theory I could report. In practice, I'd spend a good part of my time in SL typing out reports as I'm seeing them more and more.



Its not a ToS violation to not be a frankenbarbie.

 

 



Marigold Devin wrote:
As Cabbage said, people will try and push the boundaries. I've also noticed and noted this ever-growing popularity for "legal teen" looking avatars all over the place. In one club I visited last week, there were 7, looked like they had been cloned from one brain cell, similar hairstyle in "cute" schoolgirl style of being tied, and way shorter than the SL average avatar. And while I'm on the subject of "to scale". I get so annoyed with people who complain about amazonian avatars. Amazonian size IS the scale in SL. Just like Barbie is the scale she is, she fits her car, she fits her house, etc. Buildings are taller in SL, avatars are to their own scale.


The only difference I've seen is that some of the frankenbarbies have gotten shorter. They're still wearing the same **bleep** wear they were wearing Tuesday at 12:35... they've just gone from being James Cameron Avatar scale to noticing that value on the prim with the label 'meter' next to it.

 


Marigold Devin wrote:
And so, the "legal teen" brigade make themselves as small and as child-looking as possible, and shoot me down,

So... that's what's going on with your rant. If you think they're child AVs and not adults, why are you hitting on them in the first place?

 

 

 

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I dunno... I think people forget that if SL still surviving for the next 8 years, it will be loaded by a much younger generation that grew up in the 80s & 90s than the 70s and backwards. Trend will change, mind set will change. What you see now as "Nuuu..nu..nu..nu..nu.nuuuuuu" might be the only thing in the near future. SL is currently dominated by much older generations.

I see more people in their 40s and older here than people around my age and younger...Rockstar, Vampires, Bikers, Pirates, Victorian, your usual Suits and Tuxs Kens and the overtly popular cookie cutter Barbie girls in their phletora of come-sex-with-me attires are so the olden era and currently roaming free like the saduccees in SL shoving down on other residents throat that they, too, need to be like them.

A small percentage of players in SL decided to be different and they get shot right in head for doing so?

This will change...

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:
Marigold Devin wrote:
And so, the "legal teen" brigade make themselves as small and as child-looking as possible, and shoot me down,

So... that's what's going on with your rant. If you think they're child AVs and not adults, why are you hitting on them in the first place?

 

 

 


Carole writes:

I'd seen by page 2 of this thread that it was impossible to have a civil, half-intelligent discussion, since the more I wrote that I was referring to hypersexualised child avies in sex sims, the more many posters replied talking about witch-hunts against poor innocent child-avies trying to have nice clean SL fun. All completely irrevelevant to the discussion. Hence I decided not to reply anymore (utter waste of time and energy) - HOWEVER - the crass stupidity of the above remark to Marigold takes the biscuit and I feel, since it was my thread, that the above sort of not-very-subtle abuse shouldn't go unnoted.

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>I get so annoyed with people who complain about amazonian avatars. Amazonian size IS the scale in SL. Just like Barbie is the scale she is, she fits her car, she fits her house, etc. Buildings are taller in SL, avatars are to their own scale.

 

My complaint is that with the normal SL avatazr's "scale" you're cheating yourself out of 3/4 your land, if you're renting/owning any. If you're not renting/owning, the fact that the vast majority of avatars are so large cheats public shop/landowners out of 3/4 their land trying to compensate for the larger avatars.

 SL may be virtual, but land is finite and expensive. Not to mention that larger builds use more prims. So the end result is that SL is far smaller and far less detailed than it easily could be, all beause LL messed up avatar scale from the get go.

 That's the key, there, too. It's LL's refusal to provide proper avatar creation tools. I don't blame the masses with their 7' tall avatars. They've no idea. When they do finally figure it out, they're already set in their ways. Re-sizing is a huge pain in the rear, if you don't own any land I can't really blame you for not seeing any reason to go through the effort. (Again,. however, if you do own land you're throwing money away with all this rampant overscaling.) So long as the 7' avatar isn't harassing the 5-6' avatars for being so "short" I'm not going to complain about them.

 I will complain about the confusion and other scale problems LL has caused. LL needs to fix those problems. The sooner the better. These are not problems you solve by harassing everyone on the grid to scale down. These are problems you solve by correcting the SL bugs that add to the confusion, supplying new users with correctly scaled and proportioned avatars, and using scale more effectively in Linden maintained builds like the Library content, infohubs and welcome areas.

 

Of course, that's not to say that there aren't misguided people out there harassing tall avatars without provocation. Seen it happen. I don't agree with it. All that does is annoy people. Of course, pointing out that avatars tend to be "amazonian" in size isn't any such harassment. Might as well get upset at someone for suggesting the sky is blue.

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Carole Franizzi wrote:
I call them Lolitas as I'm stuck for a better word. The original Lolita was very young - twelve - so a true Lolita avie would actually be a child avie. I know there's a Lolita fashion - but in theory those clothes could be worn by any age of woman. What I'm referring to are not adult-looking women avies, however. 


Maybe you attend the wrong places, Carole.   Certainly my impression of the two or three of clubs on Adult land I regularly attend (Old Lar's, House of V and Twisted Orchid) is that their rules about no  avatars who don't appear to be adults (the avatar as opposed to the clothing) are enforced pretty strictly.    

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I'd seen by page 2 of this thread that it was impossible to have a civil, half-intelligent discussion [...]


utter hogwash considering the charged language and bias in the opening post. and exactly why I responded in kind to begin with. it's every drama mongering trick in the book...

you know full well the solution, if you believe it violates law or ToS report it... done. and I suspect that you are perfectly aware that it does neither, so you are dragging the hyperbole to the court of public opinion to see if you can't scare up a new witch hunt to satisfy some inner vampiric need for attention, or some skewed moral sense that sees pedophiles everywhere (even though they'd scarcely be interested in the kind of curves you describe as hypersexualized)

is what you describe tacky and tasteless? IMO yes... and if I think ti crosses the pretty well defined lines I AR and ban like a good little citizen, as I'm sure plenty of others do as well. but until it does I have no compunction in calling this thread exactly what it is... a base attempt at rabble rousing using boogeyman tactics.

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