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Hey there Second Life residents,

I have been pondering something for quite some time now, and that is, How much is keeping your real life adress, out of the hands of merchants, in virtual worlds (not just second life) worth to you? I feel using dollar terms as the scale here, will help to quantify such a qualitative question. So I am curious to know; how much is it worth to you? 

 

Cam 

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Marianne,

I love that you made that statement, saying that "you buy Linden Dollars to use it to shop with". Who is to say that a great designer in SL wishes they could start selling their designs in RL, the only thing stoping them is that they know SL residents wouldnt give out ( or would be hesitant to give out) their address to someone they dont know personally. How much would it be worth to you to keep the information private, but still get the item of clothing and support a designer whoms designs you enjoy? 

Great statement Marianne! 

Cam

 

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Cameleon Lethecus wrote:

Marianne,

I love that you made that statement, saying that "you buy Linden Dollars to use it to shop with". Who is to say that a great designer in SL wishes they could start selling their designs in RL, the only thing stoping them is that they know SL residents wouldnt give out ( or would be hesitant to give out) their address to someone they dont know personally. How much would it be worth to you to keep the information private, but still get the item of clothing and support a designer whoms designs you enjoy? 

Great statement Marianne! 

Cam

 

Question:

If this is about buying RL items, if the seller didn't know your RL address how would you be able to have the item sent to you? And if you're offering to be a middleman wouldn't the buyer need to trust you with their address, despite also not knowing you?

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There have been several designers that have had inworld as well as RL stores. They had websites and let people inworld know about the RL websites where they could go to get RL versions of the SL clothes. That's all that's necessary. You won't be disclosing who you are in SL by purchasing through the designer's website in RL. They might ask where you heard about them but they won't ask your SL name...'Nuff said.

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It currently costs me nothing to keep my RL identity away from SL merchants. So, any service offering such protection would be worth... nothing.

If an SL merchant also sold goods in other virtual worlds, I'd have no problem purchasing from them there as Madelaine McMasters, or whoever. And if these same merchants had RL operations, I'd give them my RL information so they could ship to me. But they'd have no way of knowing I was also their customer in a virtual world. I have numerous online identities in professional forums, investment forums, here, there and everywhere. All of those identities are separate and only a very few are tied to my RL identity.

 

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Cameleon Lethecus wrote:

Hey there Second Life residents,

I have been pondering something for quite some time now, and that is, How much is keeping your real life adress, out of the hands of merchants, in virtual worlds (not just second life) worth to you? I feel using dollar terms as the scale here, will help to quantify such a qualitative question. So I am curious to know; how much is it worth to you? 

 

Cam 

To be perfectly honest, it's a really silly question, because there is never any need to give any RL information to any merchant in a virtual world.

For you, it may not be a silly question because you may have an ulteria motive, as has already been suggested. And, if that suggestion has hit the nail on the head, then your post is intended to deceive us, which means that you are deceitful and untrustworthy, and, therefore, entirely the wrong sort of person for any virtual world user to trust with their RL information.

 

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The idea of a SL merchant who makes jewelry in mesh and RL jewelry  you mean? (just an example) There are places like Etsy where I assume it has to be a quality control and I would trust them.

Now, why would I reveal my SL identity to a RL seller? Should I pay them in §L! Lol, what an idea. What a creator in RL need is my adress and my Paypal...There is no need for me to say:"oh, and I am Marianne Little in SL, can I pay you in Linden dollars?".

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I didn't mention, or refer to, RL merchants at all. My comments were about merchants in virtual worlds, which is what the OP asked about.

The mentions in this thread of RL merchants also selling in virtual worlds is changing the subject. The OP didn't ask about those. He mentioned the idea in another post but he didn't ask about it. He only asked about virtual world merchants.

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Sounds like the OP wants to be a proxie. You'd give him L$ and RL info, he'd buy RL things in L$ on your behalf, to be delivered IRL. It'd be a way to cash out L$ (in exchange for tangible goods) without going through one of the approved exchanges, so LL would probably make a TOS rule against it, if there isn't already a rule against it.

 

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I don't know about him wanting to be a proxie, but I think it's safe to say that this is definitely market research for his newest product.  Which, according to this post (link) is as follows:

 


Cameleon Lethecus wrote:

- Real Life 

- Targeted at B-Schools acrossed the country (starting in Buffalo, New York)

- A finacial simulation using real elements as components of the game play

- A revolutionary idea that is both engaging and educational 

...Dres

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There were actually 2 RL designers that I know of that had inworld stores where they copied a design in RL and in SL. Unfortunately for the SLers, their RL stores got busy and they had to let the SL go. Brain cramp on their names but one did beautiful lingerie and the other was from the Carribean islands area. In fact, she was the mentor for a the TV program where the contestants compete so they can have a showing in New York (the system won't let me put the proper name for some reason) a couple of years ago.

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Interesting... according to this blog post (link), Anya wasn't a SL designer, but her real life mentor, Meiling Couturier of Meiling Couture was.  Apparently, Meiling did base her SL clothing on her RL clothing line, at least in part.  I had no idea about their RL connection.

Oh and btw, the reason why you can't include the name of that show is because of the "Watch this show" spam we used to get here.  There's a good number of shows we aren't allowed to mention because of it.

...Dres

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Dresden Ceriano,

To clarify, the post "how much online privacy is worth to you" has no relation to my job post for a GUI expert. These are two completely separate posts with two completely separate motives.

With this post, I am interested in hearing the view of Second Life Residents on the information they are making available, and just how far they are willing to go, to get what they want.

With the other post, it was for a product I am working on at the present moment in real life with my team of programmers from my University, and I wanted to make the GUI position available to a Second Life Resident, because I owe a lot to Second Life and understand the extreme talent that it holds. 

In the future, there will be "Free" services made available to residents of Second Life, but it will come at a cost of your information. I know the people working on these services have read this post, and have seen the feedback I have gotten. I hope they take it into account, when devloping these services, that privacy is a very cherished thing and that the method in which they design these services should include a helathy balance between data collection and conservation. 

 

Cam

 

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Data,

You have a great idea there, perhaps something you should pursue in devloping! I am a firm believer that as technology advances and becomes more and more, a part of everyday life, people will slowley start to blend the two together and there will not be a need anymore for Alias names in Virtual Worlds (or at least no need for anonymity behind the name). If you take a look at my past posts over the years, some include research on our world of Second Life. These are the things I find extreamly interseting and important to understanding where our society is headed. Thank you for your reply!

 

Cam

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Irihapeti,

Haha, I chuckled a bit at your response. A money exchange that made the exchange available through different means may be what Second Life needs, something that offers a better rate in the end for Linden Dollars, while still remaining within TOS. Perhaps a meeting with Data (another replyer to this post) is what you should look into.

All the best,

Cam

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Phil Deakins,

While I respectifully disagree with your comments regarding me as potentially being deceitful and having an ulterier motive, I can view your argument of "there never being any need to give any RL information to any merchant in a Virtual World", with a slight bit of agreeance. For some residents, the thought of owning a good made by an SL resident, but physically in RL is just completley insane, for others; this may be something that has long been wished for, but the service to keep their identiy safe just was not made available, and therefor merchants as well as consumers just never wanted to engage in it. These are points of interest that the vast world of Second Life holds and I want them to be known. 

 

Cam

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Madelane McMasters,

I thank you for your comment! I love the amount of engagment I have recieved from the SL Community on this topic. In response to your statement " I'd give them my RL information so they could ship to me; but they'd have no way of knowing Iwas also a customer in a virtual world" I must pose the question, what if they make purchase via Linden on their website for the RL good an option that they would like residents to utilize? 

 

Cam

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Theresa Tennyson,

Thank you for your response! This is a valid point, that the users would have to trust the middle man, however, the middle man would be in the business of protecting the users information, as well as distributing the goods from the merchant to the consumer. The middle man would also have legal documentation clearly stating what s/he can or can not do with your information, as well as what s/he intends to do with your information; while the merchant does not. Simply put, the middle man would be a legally liable entity for negligent information use , while the merchant would not be.

 

Cam 

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Cameleon Lethecus wrote:

Phil Deakins,

While I respectifully disagree with your comments regarding me as potentially being deceitful and having an ulterier motive, I can view your argument of "there never being any need to give any RL information to any merchant in a Virtual World", with a slight bit of agreeance. For some residents, the thought of owning a good made by an SL resident, but physically in RL is just completley insane, for others; this may be something that has long been wished for, but the service to keep their identiy safe just was not made available, and therefor merchants as well as consumers just never wanted to engage in it. These are points of interest that the vast world of Second Life holds and I want them to be known. 

 

Cam

Actually, someone may be way ahead of you on this.

Quoting from the HighFidelity Blog,

"At a high level, domain server operators can request OAuth from people/agents accessing their virtual worlds, including various usage scopes for things like edit capabilities, importing and exporting of digital objects, and payments.  The domain servers also present certificates which are used to verify their identity to accessing clients."

You can work your way through their Blog, etc, to find more details.

 

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Cameleon Lethecus wrote:

Dresden Ceriano,

To clarify, the post "how much online privacy is worth to you" has no relation to my job post for a GUI expert. These are two completely separate posts with two completely separate motives.

With this post, I am interested in hearing the view of Second Life Residents on the information they are making available, and just how far they are willing to go, to get what they want.

With the other post, it was for a product I am working on at the present moment in real life with my team of programmers from my University, and I wanted to make the GUI position available to a Second Life Resident, because I owe a lot to Second Life and understand the extreme talent that it holds. 

In the future, there will be "Free" services made available to residents of Second Life, but it will come at a cost of your information. I know the people working on these services have read this post, and have seen the feedback I have gotten. I hope they take it into account, when devloping these services, that privacy is a very cherished thing and that the method in which they design these services should include a helathy balance between data collection and conservation. 

 

Cam

 

Are you kidding me?  The last paragraph of this reply completely contradicts the first one.  Forgive me if I don't believe for a second that you started this thread for any other purpose than market research.  All one has to do is glance at your past thread creation history to see that this isn't the first time you've done this very thing.

Honestly, I really couldn't care less about you posting threads for this purpose, but trying to deny it is rather futile, considering how very obvious it is.

...Dres

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