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[Dazza Staheli]

ok i am looking for help on this matter , i will give a brief description of events and what has been done , any help is appreciated.

i am a game creator on SL and i have made one of the biggest multiplayer games on sl

i have over 250 sim / games places in a special group where we communicate

all these sims are reliant on my game for income / traffic etc

recently (last night) i seem to have attracted a serious hacker / griefer who has managed to close my sim down on several occasions and effect my grid wide games by doing so

over 100 of us sim owners reported this guy to LL and i personaly was in IM's with a Linden employee xxxxxx Linden (i dont want to mention names) , after many many reports there seems that there was very little LL can do

this has got serious as the griefer and his alts / friends are asking for 100k to stop this happening (this has all been reported to LL) , yet still today its continueing to happen and once again i am locked out of my sim and my game is at risk

we (sim / game) owners need protecting from this , as LL are the main policing force on SL we have to trust in them , but they seem to be not doing anything ,

i have options of getting together a team of top scriptors and greifers and start attacking back all thier sims and friends , but this is just gonna cause all out war

as we creators push the boundries of SL and what we do on here surely LL needs to step up their game and realize that they need to offer better protection for us "Paying" people

blackmail is illegal in many countries yet on sl seems to be ok

so if there is any other ways of dealing with this i would love to hear them .

many thanks

Dazza

[Yohan Roux Member]

In this post you have said you will attack and greif, wont the lindens ban you now.

[Dazza Staheli]

no i am not going to , it was more of a statement to say "what else is there" ? .. in RL we would call the poilce on here we have to rely on LL , but if the police dont come to your rescue in RL what do you do ? ... i am not a griefer or a hacker , but there are alot of sims and 1000's of ppl that do love my games , those people are getting upset too

[Yohan Roux Member]

There are gangs like that in sl, as was said in another post, they go to the highest bidder, I had an estate once and upset another estate owner she sent waves of them but as she had a bigger estate and better linden connections I was banned even if I spoke to her, so I closed all 31 sims, will never forget or trust anyone here including the lindens again.

[Ceka Cianci Member]

you mentioned blackmail being illegal but being ok in sl..

um sl is also restricted to RL laws as well and if it is happening in here it is just as illegal because it is a real world threat for real money..you can go to the police if someone is breaking real world laws..

that's what i would do if i were you..

maybe then LL will listen when the authorities come knocking for that persons rl information..

[Dazza Staheli]

yes ty for that .. that was suggested to me today , my concern with that was that they are from an middle east counrty and i am not sure on the regulations or laws that apply there , and in the meantime i / we am loosing about 100k a day , but tyvm for the reply

[Tateru Nino]

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Dazza Staheli wrote:

yes ty for that .. that was suggested to me today , my concern with that was that they are from an middle east counrty and i am not sure on the regulations or laws that apply there ,

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I think it is safe to say that what they're doing is likely not lawful almost anywhere. Getting any legal recourse might be more difficult, however. Is there any way you can simply set the targeted regions to invitation-only groups until something more can be done?

[Ceka Cianci Member]

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Dazza Staheli wrote:

yes ty for that .. that was suggested to me today , my concern with that was that they are from an middle east counrty and i am not sure on the regulations or laws that apply there , and in the meantime i / we am loosing about 100k a day , but tyvm for the reply

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it may at least get them banned..if it is a sim owner doing this..it could be costly to them when they lose their sims..
i would still talk to the authorities to see what can happen..maybe  by informing LL and making them aware..they may become bound in some way to do something after that..

it's worth a try..just to see what your options are..

[Dazza Staheli]

hi tateru , unfortunately not , the sims in question are all gaming sims so open to public , i think the problems are that as we make more advanced things for SL we are more vunerable to attack , i realy thought LL would atleast suspend the main perpetrators for even a hour whilst they investigate it , i have now implemented many new devices to protect my games from being hacked but the 250 sims are still vunerable , i can only hope that LL will act today as these people are sending suptle warnings before they do it (this must be logged on their servers somewhere) , but tyvm for the reply

[Gandy Kidd]

Yeah, I also suggested to Dazza to try the way to report that to the authorities/police. Not, because there would be a chance get them in a lawsuit that would possibly involve 3 countrries in 3 continents (and would be more expensive than just to give up the biggest business in SL), but just to have the authorities knock at LL's door and ask for the RL data of the griefer.

LL CAN react quick and with suspending alts and even computers from access, they do that on other cases. In this case, a crime is done in SL (give me 100 kL$ to stop the griefing means: give me 400 US$ ... and that is blackmailing). As long as LL do not repond in a proper way, they might learn the hard way: having the authorities ask for the RL data.

If that would happen more often, they might think about allowing griefers so many ways to grief and residents so few ways to protect themselves and to be protected.

So reporting that griefer to the police would not aim at the griefer themselves, but at LL to think about if they let residents blackmail other residents (and hide behind: it's between residents, we can't do anything).

I think, Tateru made a good suggestion too, see, who you let on your sim ... however: if you want to get players to a game, it would not be good for the business to have them sign up to a group first. If you offer services like a big multiplayer game, gate should be open (though it's risky).