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The "locked out of their sim" part is what interests me also.

I recently had a griefer on one of our sims that had me thinking on how to fix it for a while.

The griefing effectively crashed my viewer about 5 times. But after that I figured out how toget it fixed quickly. :)

 

Some prevention is possible but it is mostly smart use ofthe land poperties and auto reporting of things that are 'out of the ordinary'.

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The simplest solution to most griefing as well as a content theft and other dastardly behavior would be for LL to require identification for all new accounts (e.g., PIOF).  That would make it far harder for repeat offenders (assuming LL bans them).

But LL is pretty firmly against that.  I don't know what their reasons are.  I do understand that there's a benefit to complete anonymity.  There's also a price, and this is an example.

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Lucky for you, LL allows you to do this.  The price we all pay is that griefers and theives can keep coming back with new accounts.

If it were my decision, I would require identification.  But it's not.

As long as LL continues with their policy, this is just what we have to put up with.  I don't see any evidence they'll change.

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Lucky for you, LL allows you to do this.  The price we all pay is that griefers and theives can keep coming back with new accounts.

If it were my decision, I would require identification.  But it's not.

As long as LL continues with their policy, this is just what we have to put up with.  I don't see any evidence they'll change.

Facebook (and Google) are staring to ask for mobile phone verification before opening accounts - and as we all know, LL would like to be as much like Facebook as possible, so perhaps we can expect some further degree of identification in the near future.

Pie says "Stockpile alts created through a proxy now, while you can remain anonymous".

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hi simon , thx for the offer ... i have now had over 100 reports sent against the main guy .. the funny thing is this guy is 1800 + days old .. you would think that LL would be able to do something .. i have had reports from many people on here and all say the same .. basically LL do nothing so fight fire with fire , i realy didnt want to go down that road and i have told LL this .. i just hope that they act now as it is still continueing even today and i always get a suple warning .. it would have been cheaper to pay the 100k as my losses now total more than that .. if you dont mind i will IM you if nothing is done by LL :) ..many thanks

Dazza

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What an absolutely fabulous idea for an emerging business opportunity -- in-world security protection services. I don't mean the usual security systems that you can purchase and install yourself, although those are great. I'm thinking of a full-fledged service run by a security expert. A sort of business partner. Does such a thing exist, perhaps?

In the US in real life, people have signs on their houses saying "Protected by ADT" and such. It's not just that they install a burglar alarm; they have a whole system of experts behind it, monitoring constantly.

It sounds like if you're making serious money, you might want to outsource some of this to a specialist like that.

I realize that such people may be hard to find. They have to be extremely savvy technically, and also have that "benevolent hacker" mentality. So it has to be someone who is honest, but who understands the twisted minds of the dishonest. Part of this battle is psychological, so they have to understand that angle as well.

Also, if I were you, I'd run my core business on regions that I own or co-own. You're never going to be able to protect a parcel well enough to keep these jokers away. You really need to be able to quickly eject and permanently ban a list of avatars from the entire region. They'll keep creating more avatars, of course, but maintaining that list is part of what those security specialists could help you with.

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Hi I have new club being attacked

every time before events stuff gets deleted somebody trining to shut me down Linden no help sent reset your password messqage.  People tell me this can't happen.  Sometomes it goes to objects sometimes it vanishes and I am only 1 with edit rights. I have some help on this but could use more.  If they strt hitting no copy items I will have to close. They did a pathcut in my dance floor looked like a martian invasion. dianeburninhell resident

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46 minutes ago, DianeBurninHell said:

Hi I have new club being attacked

every time before events stuff gets deleted somebody trining to shut me down Linden no help sent reset your password messqage.  People tell me this can't happen.  Sometomes it goes to objects sometimes it vanishes and I am only 1 with edit rights. I have some help on this but could use more.  If they strt hitting no copy items I will have to close. They did a pathcut in my dance floor looked like a martian invasion. dianeburninhell resident

Regarding the pathcut in your dance floor, that sounds possibly like a thing that the griefer has been able to place on an adjacent parcel of land that has left it's build rights open to everybody - foolish of them. Have a look at your neighbour's land and see who it belongs to, and ask them if they will stop people from building on their land, or make their land group only so only people in the group can build. 

I do not know how anyone is deleting your stuff though.  That is hard to understand.  Linden Lab would assume your account was being used by somebody else on your property and that would be why they would tell you to reset your password. 

Although please be very careful. Only ever change your password by going to the Second Life official home page and logging in and selecting to change your password from the menus there. NEVER click a link in an email from Second Life or anybody unless you have already asked them to send you a password reset email so that you can do that.  

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1 hour ago, DianeBurninHell said:

every time before events stuff gets deleted somebody trining to shut me down

Get a visitor recording script to monitor your parcel and log the names and times of all visitors to try and identify the actual culprits.

Be wary of just blindly firing off names to Linden Lab in Abuse reports, you are going to have to spend some time tracking down exactly what is going on.

Make sure that only the land group has rezzing rights in your parcel.

The path-cut issue is strange, it suggests the object in question allows group members to move or change it. The other explanation is that you have given somebody else edit rights to your objects. Go through your group list and friends looking for any such rights or permissions.

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Regarding the comments above about re-opening an old thread: this can cause a lot of fuss on the forums and it is possibly that some of the recent replies are going to be removed by a moderator on the basis that your problem is not directly related to the original subject or far too large a gap has elapsed for your post to add relevance. Don't despair, take a deep breath, and open a new topic under the heading of something like "Unknown persons interfering with my parcel".

I would also suggest you try something else: In the about land information, turn off the option that allows avatars n adjacent parcels to see into and chat with residents on your parcel, and also turn off the option to allow object entry. This does mean that visitors to your club cannot drive/fly in from adjacent areas but have to walk or TP in via a landmark, but it will give you back a little more control over who comes into your club and what they can bring with them.

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1 hour ago, DianeBurninHell said:

Hi I have new club being attacked

every time before events stuff gets deleted somebody trining to shut me down Linden no help sent reset your password messqage.  People tell me this can't happen.  Sometomes it goes to objects sometimes it vanishes and I am only 1 with edit rights. I have some help on this but could use more.  If they strt hitting no copy items I will have to close. They did a pathcut in my dance floor looked like a martian invasion. dianeburninhell resident

It looks like your club is on a private region. Contact the owner of the region - there may be issues with how the estate permissions are set.

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In a case like this, I'd strongly advise checking both the various parcel settings and the relevant group roles and permissions, and perhaps trying to find an in-world class on how to manage them.    That's where the problem is, I'm sure -- people can move or modify your objects only if they have the appropriate abilities, which generally are ones you've granted them, whether intentionally or not.

Try to find a class for new landowners -- land and group permissions are both subtle and powerful, and it really pays to spend a bit of time learning how they work.     They're not terribly complicated but it does help to have someone explain them to you, as I discovered when first I became a landowner years ago.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DianeBurninHell said:

If they strt hitting no copy items I will have to close.

All the rest of this will be solved soon enough, but this is something much worse, long term. As soon as you can, start replacing all no-copy items from the land. These are disasters waiting to happen, no griefers required.

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1 hour ago, DianeBurninHell said:

every time before events stuff gets deleted

One other thought: check your parcel object numbers and possibly also the whole region figures: if you are setting out lots of extra objects for an event and go over the region or parcel limits it is possible some of your objects are being returned. Look in your Lost and Found folder for such items.

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4 hours ago, DianeBurninHell said:

Hi I have new club being attacked

every time before events stuff gets deleted somebody trining to shut me down Linden no help sent reset your password messqage.  People tell me this can't happen.  Sometomes it goes to objects sometimes it vanishes and I am only 1 with edit rights. I have some help on this but could use more.  If they strt hitting no copy items I will have to close. They did a pathcut in my dance floor looked like a martian invasion. dianeburninhell resident

Hello Diane

Sorry to hear the issues you've been experiencing.

Your neighbor to the North has their land permissions configured allowing everyone to build. This allows anyone to rez objects on their parcel.

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On your own parcel of land, your land permissions allow object entry for everyone. This opens the possibility of griefers rezzing objects on your neighbors parcel and pushing them into yours. I've not kept up-to-date with SL scripting, so not sure if allowing everyone running scripts (which I understand is pretty common) coupled with object entry might create a vector for attack; someone else might want to chime in here.

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2 hours ago, Echelon Alcott said:

I've not kept up-to-date with SL scripting, so not sure if allowing everyone running scripts (which I understand is pretty common) coupled with object entry might create a vector for attack; someone else might want to chime in here.

This is just my advice rather than anything official, but I wouldn't worry too much about running scripts, since bypassing that restriction is trivially simple for ill-intentioned  as well as for legitimate scripters (and for good reason, otherwise vehicles and AOs would keep breaking), and I find that turning it on generally serves only to irritate innocent parties.      LDPW normally set community areas, for example to allow everyone to run scripts.

The important restrictions are on object entry and building -- those should certainly be set to group only, or it's an invitation to griefers.

 

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