General Discussion Forum

[Dresden Ceriano Advisor]

It seems to me that a lot of people are forgetting that there are community standards set forth within the TOS that dictate our responsibilities when interacting with our fellow residents.  Being that only those things that are covered in the TOS are actionable to get us removed from SL, those things are the only things with which we need to concern ourselves in order to remain a part of the SL community.

I don't have to play nice if I don't want to... I don't have to do unto others as I would want to have done to myself (in fact, that could get me in trouble fast... lol).  I don't have to be helpful... I don't have to be happy and I certainly don't need to make anyone else happy.  I don't have to try to make SL a better place... I don't have to work my ass off in order to build a sense of community... in fact, I don't have to interact with anyone at all.  As long as what I do follows the rules set forth by LL, I don't need to do anything else... period.

I do these things if and when I want to, but it isn't my responsibility... it's my choice.  That's what I mean by lagniappe.

As for land and tier... it's my choice to own land, therefore it is a responsibility that I have chosen to place upon myself.  Sure I could choose to not own land, but until that day comes, I'm responsible for paying my tier fees... simple as that.

...Dres *doesn't have to introduce new words to people, even though he appreciates the response he got for doing so*

[Solar Legion Member]

I frankly do not care what marketing gimmick Linden Lab uses, Knowl.

There are no "residents", period.

The standards set are the ToS and CS - that is all. Sad that you need to somehow expand on this. 

[Knowl Paine]

I was going to say that the Policy appears to be, "Do what thou wilt", but some research shows that the person most popular for saying that, was quoting a person, who was quoting a person.

I didn't realize that those songs were from Beethoven and Mozart; I actually thought that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg made that music for their movies. They are real "original' thinkers, as are most successful people.

What is the last name (surname) of the Queen of England? One could Google it, but I'm curious about common knowledge; how common is knowledge?

Being responsible and acting responsibly; are they the same thing?

I believe that SL has a surplus of Residents who are primarily occupied with their concern for themselves.

The Community Standards are rules, and are not acts of freewill. There is a general consensus, that responsibility is an act of freewill. This truth, has lead me to change aspects of my perspective.

The CS are a set of rules, as much as we say that responsibilty is an act of freewill, the proof is in the pudding. The invented and made up CS have produced a positive effect. If every Resident were to be aware of the principles set forth in the CS; there would be no need for the CS. It appears that common sense is not very common.

Where does corruption begin? Does a man standing naked in a barren desert have anything to corrupt? Will he rub the sand grains together in a bad way? Maybe kick or punch the sand? Corruption begins with those in possesion of something to corrupt.

For those reasons, I believe that those who are in the know, should act responsibly with the knowledge they have. They can do this by leading by example. The only trouble with this thinking, is that the people at the top, will have to obey their own rules. There seems to be an un-willingness to do this.

[Knowl Paine]

Hmm, it's all legal fiction. Contracts have been created with people, legal fictions. Mr. is a fictional character. Contracts have spirits, a person can act outside of the spirit of an agreement and be legally bound by their actions. We call it Grandfathering. There are Residents in SL.

Worse yet, there are Residents outside of SL. They owe their allegiance to the City that has Incorporated it's people. Tribal Indian Leaders call them "our people", or "my people".

What is sad, is that you, Edit: (may be) unaware of the true nature of the World. Many of the truths I can share, are ignored, because they create cognitive dissonance. If A is true, B must also be true. The entire house of cards would collapse.

Your City is Incorporated; it's nothing personal, it's just Business.

Edit: changed are, to may be.

[Solar Legion Member]

Knowl - you can pontificate all you'd like - there are no "residents" of Second Life- period. You continued attempts to rationalize the use of a marketing term instead of the proper term (Users) simply shows that you're ia hopeless case (and incapable of comprehending when someone states they are not going to debate a particular topic).

There are no Residents - this is a fact, there isn't a debate here.

BIf you can show (with proof) a single person whose consiousness has successfully been uploaded to Linden Lab's mainframe and whose now electronic consiousness is indisputably alive .... Then and only then can you (or anyone else) claim there are "Residents in" Second Life.

Then and only then do you actually have a reason for discussing "civic duty". 

[Theresa Tennyson]

Mr. Legion:

de·bate

v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates

v.intr.

1. To consider something; deliberate.

2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.

3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.

4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.

Could you explain how your replying in opposition to Mr. Paine in this instance can NOT be considered debating?

[Solar Legion Member]

Simple - I'm not "discussing" anything nor are there "opposing points"

I am sticking to what is factual - not to the marketing ploys and imaginations of those who fall for them and perpetuate them.

Please, before asking something so silly, do a bit of thought first - were I interested in a debate, I'd have started a thread to discuss the philosophy surrounding the mistaken use of the term "Resident".

Being that I have no desire to discuss the philosophy behind it and insist upon the use of the correct term (users), there is no debate to be had here. 

[Knowl Paine]

His (it's) name is Watson.

Reality is what the people say it is.

You are in a minority that is saying Residents in SL are not Residents.

The Surname of all new Residents, is Resident.

There are more instances where LL refers to Us as Residents, than there are references of the term User.

There is plenty of debate.

My consciousness is in SL; when I'm in SL. I actually Pilot my avatar, everything my avatar has every done or said, was done by me. It's called taking responsibility for ones actions.

The problem with responsibility, is that some people don't want any. 

[Theresa Tennyson]

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Solar Legion wrote:

Simple - I'm not "discussing" anything nor are there "opposing points"

I am sticking to what is factual - not to the marketing ploys and imaginations of those who fall for them and perpetuate them.

Please, before asking something so silly, do a bit of thought first - were I interested in a debate, I'd have started a thread to discuss the philosophy surrounding the mistaken use of the term "Resident".

Being that I have no desire to discuss the philosophy behind it and insist upon the use of the correct term (users), there is no debate to be had here. 

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Whatever you say, Humpty Dumpty.

[Melita Magic Member]

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Solar Legion wrote:

Simple - I'm not "discussing" anything nor are there "opposing points"

I am sticking to what is factual - not to the marketing ploys and imaginations of those who fall for them and perpetuate them.

Please, before asking something so silly, do a bit of thought first - were I interested in a debate, I'd have started a thread to discuss the philosophy surrounding the mistaken use of the term "Resident".

Being that I have no desire to discuss the philosophy behind it and insist upon the use of the correct term (users), there is no debate to be had here. 

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Bit dogmatic, to claim opinion as fact. 

I ought to know, I'm Catholic.