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Building on land not owned by you

I am not sure what to do. A friend of mine owns some land near a big plot of land that appears to be abandoned, although it does not say abandoned, but the owner of the land has not logged on over a year and the surrounding land has been abandoned by the same land owner. Recently someone put a store on this land. I know this person is not the owner of the land or an alt of the owner of the land because my friend put a big oversized prim in the middle of the store to see if it would get returned. Instead the store owner just moved their store up higher. The store is ugly and full of that cheap looking free stuff you can get anywhere in SL. Is there policies about avatars building on land that has appeared to be abandoned when it is not owned by them?

Peewee Musytari
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You have absolutely no idea if this person is a friend or even the alt of the landowner, so for your friend to put a prim on the land to annoy them was wrong.

So long as the landowner is paying the tier fee, it doesn`t matter how long they don`t login & if they want to leave their land as a free sandbox that is also their choice. If they stop paying the tier fee, LL will take the land back, so obviously someone is paying for it.

People building fugly stuff is one of the downsides of Mainland, you can click derender so that you don`t have to look at it or put up a phantom landscaped wall to block it out, but you can`t control what other people do on their land unless they are directly interferring with your land with overhanging prims or griefing tactics.

Venus Petrov
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The key words in your OP is 'appears to be abandoned'.  If you click on Land, it will tell you if it is abandoned or not.  Your friend was being a nusiance placing a huge prim on the land that they do not own.  I suggest you advise them to remove it.  There may be others who live nearby for which that huge prim would be a nusiance, too.

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Luc Starsider
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I agree with the other about your friend putting a huge prim in the store to annoy the person who owns it; Not the thing to do! I would actually call it borderline griefing.

If you suspect that someone is taking advantage of the fact the land appear to not be in use, why don't you, or your friend, IM the land owner? Chances are they get IMs forwarded to email, can check what was going on and take action if needed.

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Qie Niangao
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Hmmm.  I seem to disagree with most of the other replies here.

First of all, it's important to realize that not paying tier is not an effective trigger for the land being abandoned.  Sometimes it happens.  Sometimes not.  It's a classic halting problem to wait for land to go abandoned after an account has stopped paying anything toward it.

Thus, it is very, very likely that LL is not collecting any tier nor membership fees on that land.  There are huge swaths of Mainland where that's the case.  There are also huge swaths of Mainland that are in fact abandoned, but LL has no incentive to be quick about moving land from the first to the second class of land -- especially as long as Tyche is publishing statistics about the percentage of abandoned Mainland, and as long as there's no great demand for freshly abandoned land automatically put on the market.

Now, there is a slim possibility that this particular parcel is owned by one of the "founding" accounts (or whatever they were called) that got some amount of land (usually 4096, IIRC) in perpetuity.  There's also a slim possibility that the previous owner's credit card or bank account is still paying tier on it, whether they remember it or not.

But it doesn't matter: they set up the land without auto-return--effectively establishing a little sandbox.  There's no reason to believe that they don't want you to fill it up with your own prims.  I'd strongly encourage landscaping the heck out of it, in fact.

If the owner didn't want this, they should have set the land permissions differently.

Peewee Musytari
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I`m not sure that starting a griefing war on a plot of land next to your own is a good idea. The end result is that all the prims will get used up and the plot will look like a worse trash heap than it does now & probably upset even more residents on the sim. The neighbours could also start to retaliate and start griefing you back.

It will all end in tears!!!

If the owners name still appears in search, his account is unlikely to be deliquent. Sending him an IM is the best suggestion I have seen here so far.

Qie Niangao
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Except that if you're a neighbor, you absolutely want all the prims used up, to keep griefer and random stray prims from accumulating on the parcel.  Hence the urgency of landscaping the thing to your heart's content.  Actually, it would be good to make sure the prims are all phantom, and any not needed for landscaping be full alpha and preferably rezzed at some improbable altitude so they don't have any viewer lag effect.

[EDIT: I agree with sending the owner an IM, but I wouldn't wait around for a reply.  In my experience, this only very rarely works (and I've found it especially unlikely to work for owners of land not set to auto-return).  It would be interesting to see if it happened to work in this case.  We're not allowed to wager on the forums, are we?]

amana
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I am in total agreement with Qie, OP did say that it was a huge land mass so landscaping it in a tasteful way may do the community a favor. Think of a garden with the mall in the middle or an ugly shack surrounded by beautiful meadows. The idea is to used up all the prims so no more ugly prims being created.

but the griefer in me still thinks a giant meatball of fire is a quick solution to get rid of the mall out of sight fast. God forbid if the mall owner starts putting in Lucky Chairs that spits out every 10 Seconds.

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Um, not sure where I said my friend put the prim there to "annoy" the person who is putting a store on land (which I did check and is abandoned). I said she put it there to see if it would get returned as proof the person is building there owned the land. She would like to sell her land, but now that there is a big ugly store there, it will be harder. Also, I went ahead and asked the person who built the store there if it was her "friends" land and was given a point blank answer of "no". She is using it because it wasn't being used. Therefore, according to most of your answers, I guess there is not point in paying Second Life a premium fee since we can just find abandoned land and build. Sounds like a deal!

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PS.

and lol at the meatball, if someone has one I will happily put it there. Also the fact that the person who put the store on the land did not ask my friend to remove the prim is in fact proof that the store owner is not a landower or a landowers friend. The store owner simply moved the store up higher in the sky. I wish she would had thought about the landscaping idea!